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      The Number Ones: George Harrison's "My Sweet Lord"

        First off, George was 14 when he joined the Quarry Men, not 15. And “by far the best looking (Beatle)?!” Okay, George fans, no rotten tomatoes please, but clearly the guy who wrote this needs glasses! 

          Nancy R wrote:

          First off, George was 14 when he joined the Quarry Men, not 15. And “by far the best looking (Beatle)?!” Okay, George fans, no rotten tomatoes please, but clearly the guy who wrote this needs glasses! 

          Well, a case could be made that Paul was cuddly cute, but George was handsome.  Take a good look at some of their photo shoots...particularly the earlier ones before George grew his hair long.  George was better looking than Paul; his facial features were more distinct and interesting.  Paul looked cuddly, but soft., nothing well defined or classic....and that's how he has aged.  In the article, John comes off as purely jealous of George's success with the song...and with his "strong out of the gate album."  I don't buy that George deliberately stole the "He's So Fine" hook.  How many ways could "My Sweet Lord"..those three words be said?  Try and come up with a melody for them....in any other way.  I buy George's explanation that "Oh Happy Day" was what he was thinking about and inspired by.  (I guess he could have sung those three words to the tune of Oh Happy Day.  :-)  ) And, in any case, didn't Lennon steal the "Come Together" melody from one of Chuck Berry's songs? He was not in any position to make the comments he made about the whole lawsuit.  He and Paul "allowed" George to have a song or two on albums, but their stuff had to predominate and be up front. He needed George when it came time to record his "Imagine" album, much more than George needed him.  George could approach that project from a position of strength. That must have been gratifying.  His guitar solos on "Gimme Some Truth" and "How Do You Sleep" make those songs.  He contributed just the right guitar parts for many a Lennon/McCartney tune......"Nowhere Man" and "It's Only Love" are just two examples.  What difference does it make if George was 14, 14 1/2, or 15 when he joined the Quarry Men?  That's a minor detail.  Sorry....I didn't mean for this to come off as "throwing rotten tomatoes" or whatever.  I just think George deserved better when he was a Beatle.....and to be taken more seriously.  

            Beatles4Ever&Ever wrote:

            Nancy R wrote:

            First off, George was 14 when he joined the Quarry Men, not 15. And “by far the best looking (Beatle)?!” Okay, George fans, no rotten tomatoes please, but clearly the guy who wrote this needs glasses! 

            Well, a case could be made that Paul was cuddly cute, but George was handsome.  Take a good look at some of their photo shoots...particularly the earlier ones before George grew his hair long.  George was better looking than Paul; his facial features were more distinct and interesting.  Paul looked cuddly, but soft., nothing well defined or classic....and that's how he has aged.  In the article, John comes off as purely jealous of George's success with the song...and with his "strong out of the gate album."  I don't buy that George deliberately stole the "He's So Fine" hook.  How many ways could "My Sweet Lord"..those three words be said?  Try and come up with a melody for them....in any other way.  I buy George's explanation that "Oh Happy Day" was what he was thinking about and inspired by.  (I guess he could have sung those three words to the tune of Oh Happy Day.  :-)  ) And, in any case, didn't Lennon steal the "Come Together" melody from one of Chuck Berry's songs? He was not in any position to make the comments he made about the whole lawsuit.  He and Paul "allowed" George to have a song or two on albums, but their stuff had to predominate and be up front. He needed George when it came time to record his "Imagine" album, much more than George needed him.  George could approach that project from a position of strength. That must have been gratifying.  His guitar solos on "Gimme Some Truth" and "How Do You Sleep" make those songs.  He contributed just the right guitar parts for many a Lennon/McCartney tune......"Nowhere Man" and "It's Only Love" are just two examples.  What difference does it make if George was 14, 14 1/2, or 15 when he joined the Quarry Men?  That's a minor detail.  Sorry....I didn't mean for this to come off as "throwing rotten tomatoes" or whatever.  I just think George deserved better when he was a Beatle.....and to be taken more seriously.  

            Well, we agree to disagree. What I was really referring to were the words “by far.” I thought George was handsome, but not “by far” the best looking. To me that was always Paul. I don’t know if you are a man or a woman, so that might make a difference in how you feel about their looks. Paul was freaking gorgeous and John was really sexy looking to me in the years 1964-1967. And I don’t like when journalists or authors make mistakes on things that are so easy to check. That’s why I love Mark Lewisohn’s books so much. He is so accurate and meticulous in his research. No errors or even typos! 

            John pinched the line “Here come old flat top” for Come Together. There was a lawsuit: (John ended up coming out on top in the end!)

            In 1973, "Come Together" was the subject of a lawsuit brought against Lennon by Big Seven Music Corp. (owned by Morris Levy) who was the publisher of Chuck Berry's "You Can't Catch Me". Levy contended that it sounded similar musically to Berry's original and shared some lyrics (Lennon sang "Here come ol' flattop, he come groovin' up slowly" and Berry's had sung "Here come a flattop, he was movin' up with me"). Before recording, Lennon and McCartney deliberately slowed the song down and added a heavy bass riff in order to make the song more original.[11] After settling out of court, Lennon promised to record three other songs owned by Levy.[16] A brief version of "Ya Ya" with Lennon and his son Julian was released on the album Walls and Bridges in 1974. "You Can't Catch Me" and another version of "Ya Ya" were released on Lennon's 1975 album Rock 'n' Roll, but the third, "Angel Baby", remained unreleased until after Lennon's death. Levy again sued Lennon for breach of contract, and was eventually awarded $6,795. Lennon countersued after Levy released an album of Lennon material using tapes that were in his possession and was eventually awarded $84,912.96. The album was called Roots.[17]

            I do agree that George deserved better as a Beatle. I don’t know why this lettering is smaller! 

              EXHIBIT A

              EXHIBIT B

              LOL!

                Nancy R wrote:

                Beatles4Ever&Ever wrote:
                Nancy R wrote:

                First off, George was 14 when he joined the Quarry Men, not 15. And “by far the best looking (Beatle)?!” Okay, George fans, no rotten tomatoes please, but clearly the guy who wrote this needs glasses! 

                Well, a case could be made that Paul was cuddly cute, but George was handsome.  Take a good look at some of their photo shoots...particularly the earlier ones before George grew his hair long.  George was better looking than Paul; his facial features were more distinct and interesting.  Paul looked cuddly, but soft., nothing well defined or classic....and that's how he has aged.  In the article, John comes off as purely jealous of George's success with the song...and with his "strong out of the gate album."  I don't buy that George deliberately stole the "He's So Fine" hook.  How many ways could "My Sweet Lord"..those three words be said?  Try and come up with a melody for them....in any other way.  I buy George's explanation that "Oh Happy Day" was what he was thinking about and inspired by.  (I guess he could have sung those three words to the tune of Oh Happy Day.  :-)  ) And, in any case, didn't Lennon steal the "Come Together" melody from one of Chuck Berry's songs? He was not in any position to make the comments he made about the whole lawsuit.  He and Paul "allowed" George to have a song or two on albums, but their stuff had to predominate and be up front. He needed George when it came time to record his "Imagine" album, much more than George needed him.  George could approach that project from a position of strength. That must have been gratifying.  His guitar solos on "Gimme Some Truth" and "How Do You Sleep" make those songs.  He contributed just the right guitar parts for many a Lennon/McCartney tune......"Nowhere Man" and "It's Only Love" are just two examples.  What difference does it make if George was 14, 14 1/2, or 15 when he joined the Quarry Men?  That's a minor detail.  Sorry....I didn't mean for this to come off as "throwing rotten tomatoes" or whatever.  I just think George deserved better when he was a Beatle.....and to be taken more seriously.  

                Well, we agree to disagree. What I was really referring to were the words “by far.” I thought George was handsome, but not “by far” the best looking. To me that was always Paul. I don’t know if you are a man or a woman, so that might make a difference in how you feel about their looks. Paul was freaking gorgeous and John was really sexy looking to me in the years 1964-1967. And I don’t like when journalists or authors make mistakes on things that are so easy to check. That’s why I love Mark Lewisohn’s books so much. He is so accurate and meticulous in his research. No errors or even typos! 

                John pinched the line “Here come old flat top” for Come Together. There was a lawsuit: (John ended up coming out on top in the end!)

                In 1973, "Come Together" was the subject of a lawsuit brought against Lennon by Big Seven Music Corp. (owned by Morris Levy) who was the publisher of Chuck Berry's "You Can't Catch Me". Levy contended that it sounded similar musically to Berry's original and shared some lyrics (Lennon sang "Here come ol' flattop, he come groovin' up slowly" and Berry's had sung "Here come a flattop, he was movin' up with me"). Before recording, Lennon and McCartney deliberately slowed the song down and added a heavy bass riff in order to make the song more original.[11] After settling out of court, Lennon promised to record three other songs owned by Levy.[16] A brief version of "Ya Ya" with Lennon and his son Julian was released on the album Walls and Bridges in 1974. "You Can't Catch Me" and another version of "Ya Ya" were released on Lennon's 1975 album Rock 'n' Roll, but the third, "Angel Baby", remained unreleased until after Lennon's death. Levy again sued Lennon for breach of contract, and was eventually awarded $6,795. Lennon countersued after Levy released an album of Lennon material using tapes that were in his possession and was eventually awarded $84,912.96. The album was called Roots.[17]

                I do agree that George deserved better as a Beatle. I don’t know why this lettering is smaller! 

                Hope you don't think I was being contrary just for the fun of it, or whatever.  On the subject of George.....an article in Beatlefan on how some of his songs were just tossedd off by the others or not properly produced talked about two in Particular:  "It's All Too Much" and ""All Things Must Pass."  The first could and should have been a great Beatles' anthem song.  For whatever reasons....you probably read about it in issue 228....it just was not treated the same as it would have been if it were a Lennon/McCartney song.  George Martin was not there except for the final day and didn't write an orchestral score for it, the trumpeters were pretty left to their own devices, the ending went on too long, etc.  I have always thought that.  I love the song, even with the shoddy production, and believe it should be a staple on Classic Rock.  It was not properly treated or featured as it should have been.  Same with "All Things Must Pass."  There apparently is a completed version by the Beatles that just has never been released.  Or maybe Paul and John were too busy on their stuff to care for it to ne properly finished.  John's miffed about "Across The Universe" and apparently we haven't heard what he considered the true version.  He thought Paul sabatoged it.  And then there's the version of "Good Night" with a great and tender vocal by John and the other Beatles doing harmony that has never been released.  And on and on..."All Things Must Pass" would have been a great song on either "Let It Be" or "Abbey Road."  On a brief moment about Paul and George.....I agree with you on the "by far" comment.  I don't know if my being a man or woman would make any difference...but....I am a gay man.  Not that there's anything wrong with that.  :-)  Thank you, Jerry Seinfeld!!  Not that you care about any of that....or how I felt about any of the Beatles and their looks, but for whatever reason, I never thought of any of them in "that" way. At all.  It kind of baffles me why I didn't/don't, but they were just these very talented guys who made music I loved.  Beyond that....nothing.  I can look at photos of them when they were all young and good looking...and no thoughts about them other than their talent enter my mind.  No fantasies......  The young Paul had dreamy eyes as your photos show and about as perfect of a face as one could hope to have, but.....nothing.  ;-)  I did think he would age a bit better than he has......  It is what it is.  It is odd, however, that photos of him that he has control over are touched up to smooth his face....he seems to care how he looks....why didn't/doesn't he use a few coins and just get a face lift or some work done?  

                  Nancy R wrote:

                  EXHIBIT A

                   

                  EXHIBIT B

                   

                  LOL!

                  Point taken!!!   :-)  

                    Beatles4Ever&Ever wrote:

                    Beatles4Ever&Ever wrote:
                    Beatles4Ever&Ever wrote:
                    Beatles4Ever&Ever wrote:
                    Nancy R wrote:
                    Beatles4Ever&Ever wrote:
                    Nancy R wrote:

                    First off, George was 14 when he joined the Quarry Men, not 15. And “by far the best looking (Beatle)?!” Okay, George fans, no rotten tomatoes please, but clearly the guy who wrote this needs glasses! 

                    Well, a case could be made that Paul was cuddly cute, but George was handsome.  Take a good look at some of their photo shoots...particularly the earlier ones before George grew his hair long.  George was better looking than Paul; his facial features were more distinct and interesting.  Paul looked cuddly, but soft., nothing well defined or classic....and that's how he has aged.  In the article, John comes off as purely jealous of George's success with the song...and with his "strong out of the gate album."  I don't buy that George deliberately stole the "He's So Fine" hook.  How many ways could "My Sweet Lord"..those three words be said?  Try and come up with a melody for them....in any other way.  I buy George's explanation that "Oh Happy Day" was what he was thinking about and inspired by.  (I guess he could have sung those three words to the tune of Oh Happy Day.  :-)  ) And, in any case, didn't Lennon steal the "Come Together" melody from one of Chuck Berry's songs? He was not in any position to make the comments he made about the whole lawsuit.  He and Paul "allowed" George to have a song or two on albums, but their stuff had to predominate and be up front. He needed George when it came time to record his "Imagine" album, much more than George needed him.  George could approach that project from a position of strength. That must have been gratifying.  His guitar solos on "Gimme Some Truth" and "How Do You Sleep" make those songs.  He contributed just the right guitar parts for many a Lennon/McCartney tune......"Nowhere Man" and "It's Only Love" are just two examples.  What difference does it make if George was 14, 14 1/2, or 15 when he joined the Quarry Men?  That's a minor detail.  Sorry....I didn't mean for this to come off as "throwing rotten tomatoes" or whatever.  I just think George deserved better when he was a Beatle.....and to be taken more seriously.  

                    Well, we agree to disagree. What I was really referring to were the words “by far.” I thought George was handsome, but not “by far” the best looking. To me that was always Paul. I don’t know if you are a man or a woman, so that might make a difference in how you feel about their looks. Paul was freaking gorgeous and John was really sexy looking to me in the years 1964-1967. And I don’t like when journalists or authors make mistakes on things that are so easy to check. That’s why I love Mark Lewisohn’s books so much. He is so accurate and meticulous in his research. No errors or even typos! 

                    John pinched the line “Here come old flat top” for Come Together. There was a lawsuit: (John ended up coming out on top in the end!)

                    In 1973, "Come Together" was the subject of a lawsuit brought against Lennon by Big Seven Music Corp. (owned by Morris Levy) who was the publisher of Chuck Berry's "You Can't Catch Me". Levy contended that it sounded similar musically to Berry's original and shared some lyrics (Lennon sang "Here come ol' flattop, he come groovin' up slowly" and Berry's had sung "Here come a flattop, he was movin' up with me"). Before recording, Lennon and McCartney deliberately slowed the song down and added a heavy bass riff in order to make the song more original.[11] After settling out of court, Lennon promised to record three other songs owned by Levy.[16] A brief version of "Ya Ya" with Lennon and his son Julian was released on the album Walls and Bridges in 1974. "You Can't Catch Me" and another version of "Ya Ya" were released on Lennon's 1975 album Rock 'n' Roll, but the third, "Angel Baby", remained unreleased until after Lennon's death. Levy again sued Lennon for breach of contract, and was eventually awarded $6,795. Lennon countersued after Levy released an album of Lennon material using tapes that were in his possession and was eventually awarded $84,912.96. The album was called Roots.[17]

                    I do agree that George deserved better as a Beatle. I don’t know why this lettering is smaller! 

                     

                     

                     

                     

                     

                      Beatles4Ever&Ever wrote:

                       
                      Beatles4Ever&Ever wrote:

                      Well, a case could be made that Paul was cuddly cute, but George was handsome.  Take a good look at some of their photo shoots...particularly the earlier ones before George grew his hair long.  George was better looking than Paul; his facial features were more distinct and interesting.  Paul looked cuddly, but soft., nothing well defined or classic....and that's how he has aged.  In the article, John comes off as purely jealous of George's success with the song...and with his "strong out of the gate album."  I don't buy that George deliberately stole the "He's So Fine" hook.  How many ways could "My Sweet Lord"..those three words be said?  Try and come up with a melody for them....in any other way.  I buy George's explanation that "Oh Happy Day" was what he was thinking about and inspired by.  (I guess he could have sung those three words to the tune of Oh Happy Day.  :-)  ) And, in any case, didn't Lennon steal the "Come Together" melody from one of Chuck Berry's songs? He was not in any position to make the comments he made about the whole lawsuit.  He and Paul "allowed" George to have a song or two on albums, but their stuff had to predominate and be up front. He needed George when it came time to record his "Imagine" album, much more than George needed him.  George could approach that project from a position of strength. That must have been gratifying.  His guitar solos on "Gimme Some Truth" and "How Do You Sleep" make those songs.  He contributed just the right guitar parts for many a Lennon/McCartney tune......"Nowhere Man" and "It's Only Love" are just two examples.  What difference does it make if George was 14, 14 1/2, or 15 when he joined the Quarry Men?  That's a minor detail.  Sorry....I didn't mean for this to come off as "throwing rotten tomatoes" or whatever.  I just think George deserved better when he was a Beatle.....and to be taken more seriously.  

                      Well, we agree to disagree. What I was really referring to were the words “by far.” I thought George was handsome, but not “by far” the best looking. To me that was always Paul. I don’t know if you are a man or a woman, so that might make a difference in how you feel about their looks. Paul was freaking gorgeous and John was really sexy looking to me in the years 1964-1967. And I don’t like when journalists or authors make mistakes on things that are so easy to check. That’s why I love Mark Lewisohn’s books so much. He is so accurate and meticulous in his research. No errors or even typos! 

                      John pinched the line “Here come old flat top” for Come Together. There was a lawsuit: (John ended up coming out on top in the end!)

                      In 1973, "Come Together" was the subject of a lawsuit brought against Lennon by Big Seven Music Corp. (owned by Morris Levy) who was the publisher of Chuck Berry's "You Can't Catch Me". Levy contended that it sounded similar musically to Berry's original and shared some lyrics (Lennon sang "Here come ol' flattop, he come groovin' up slowly" and Berry's had sung "Here come a flattop, he was movin' up with me"). Before recording, Lennon and McCartney deliberately slowed the song down and added a heavy bass riff in order to make the song more original.[11] After settling out of court, Lennon promised to record three other songs owned by Levy.[16] A brief version of "Ya Ya" with Lennon and his son Julian was released on the album Walls and Bridges in 1974. "You Can't Catch Me" and another version of "Ya Ya" were released on Lennon's 1975 album Rock 'n' Roll, but the third, "Angel Baby", remained unreleased until after Lennon's death. Levy again sued Lennon for breach of contract, and was eventually awarded $6,795. Lennon countersued after Levy released an album of Lennon material using tapes that were in his possession and was eventually awarded $84,912.96. The album was called Roots.[17]

                      I do agree that George deserved better as a Beatle. I don’t know why this lettering is smaller! 

                      Hope you don't think I was being contrary just for the fun of it, or whatever.  On the subject of George.....an article in Beatlefan on how some of his songs were just tossedd off by the others or not properly produced talked about two in Particular:  "It's All Too Much" and ""All Things Must Pass."  The first could and should have been a great Beatles' anthem song.  For whatever reasons....you probably read about it in issue 228....it just was not treated the same as it would have been if it were a Lennon/McCartney song.  George Martin was not there except for the final day and didn't write an orchestral score for it, the trumpeters were pretty left to their own devices, the ending went on too long, etc.  I have always thought that.  I love the song, even with the shoddy production, and believe it should be a staple on Classic Rock.  It was not properly treated or featured as it should have been.  Same with "All Things Must Pass."  There apparently is a completed version by the Beatles that just has never been released.  Or maybe Paul and John were too busy on their stuff to care for it to ne properly finished.  John's miffed about "Across The Universe" and apparently we haven't heard what he considered the true version.  He thought Paul sabatoged it.  And then there's the version of "Good Night" with a great and tender vocal by John and the other Beatles doing harmony that has never been released.  And on and on..."All Things Must Pass" would have been a great song on either "Let It Be" or "Abbey Road."  On a brief moment about Paul and George.....I agree with you on the "by far" comment.  I don't know if my being a man or woman would make any difference...but....I am a gay man.  Not that there's anything wrong with that.  :-)  Thank you, Jerry Seinfeld!!  Not that you care about any of that....or how I felt about any of the Beatles and their looks, but for whatever reason, I never thought of any of them in "that" way. At all.  It kind of baffles me why I didn't/don't, but they were just these very talented guys who made music I loved.  Beyond that....nothing.  I can look at photos of them when they were all young and good looking...and no thoughts about them other than their talent enter my mind.  No fantasies......  The young Paul had dreamy eyes as your photos show and about as perfect of a face as one could hope to have, but.....nothing.  ;-)  I did think he would age a bit better than he has......  It is what it is.  It is odd, however, that photos of him that he has control over are touched up to smooth his face....he seems to care how he looks....why didn't/doesn't he use a few coins and just get a face lift or some work done?  

                      We will have to ask Bruce M’s opinion - he’s a gay man too! Funny to me that you never had feelings for any of them “that” way - I know I did even when I first saw them at age 8 (nearly 9) in Feb. 1964! (I think I instantly hit puberty!) 😂

                      And btw, that version of Good Night was released on the White Album deluxe set - it is fantastic! I prefer that version to the released one!

                      And I agree - Paul should have gotten a facelift ages ago!

                        Beatles4Ever&Ever wrote:

                        Nancy R wrote:

                        First off, George was 14 when he joined the Quarry Men, not 15. And “by far the best looking (Beatle)?!” Okay, George fans, no rotten tomatoes please, but clearly the guy who wrote this needs glasses! 

                        Well, a case could be made that Paul was cuddly cute, but George was handsome.  Take a good look at some of their photo shoots...particularly the earlier ones before George grew his hair long.  George was better looking than Paul; his facial features were more distinct and interesting.  Paul looked cuddly, but soft., nothing well defined or classic....and that's how he has aged.  In the article, John comes off as purely jealous of George's success with the song...and with his "strong out of the gate album."  I don't buy that George deliberately stole the "He's So Fine" hook.  How many ways could "My Sweet Lord"..those three words be said?  Try and come up with a melody for them....in any other way.  I buy George's explanation that "Oh Happy Day" was what he was thinking about and inspired by.  (I guess he could have sung those three words to the tune of Oh Happy Day.  :-)  ) And, in any case, didn't Lennon steal the "Come Together" melody from one of Chuck Berry's songs? He was not in any position to make the comments he made about the whole lawsuit.  He and Paul "allowed" George to have a song or two on albums, but their stuff had to predominate and be up front. He needed George when it came time to record his "Imagine" album, much more than George needed him.  George could approach that project from a position of strength. That must have been gratifying.  His guitar solos on "Gimme Some Truth" and "How Do You Sleep" make those songs.  He contributed just the right guitar parts for many a Lennon/McCartney tune......"Nowhere Man" and "It's Only Love" are just two examples.  What difference does it make if George was 14, 14 1/2, or 15 when he joined the Quarry Men?  That's a minor detail.  Sorry....I didn't mean for this to come off as "throwing rotten tomatoes" or whatever.  I just think George deserved better when he was a Beatle.....and to be taken more seriously.  

                        Thank you for making objective posts. I agree. I have listened to He's So Fine and My Sweet Lord hundreds of times over the years and any similarity is miniscule. I thought George was ripped off in the lawsuit. Ringo was actually regarded as the most cute when the Beatles first came to America. George was handsome and John was referred to as being hot by one female fan in HELP. They were are all cuter than the others at one point in time or the other. I noticed that the girl fans still had their own preferences, regardless :)  

                          SurSteven wrote:

                          Beatles4Ever&Ever wrote:
                          Nancy R wrote:

                          First off, George was 14 when he joined the Quarry Men, not 15. And “by far the best looking (Beatle)?!” Okay, George fans, no rotten tomatoes please, but clearly the guy who wrote this needs glasses! 

                          Well, a case could be made that Paul was cuddly cute, but George was handsome.  Take a good look at some of their photo shoots...particularly the earlier ones before George grew his hair long.  George was better looking than Paul; his facial features were more distinct and interesting.  Paul looked cuddly, but soft., nothing well defined or classic....and that's how he has aged.  In the article, John comes off as purely jealous of George's success with the song...and with his "strong out of the gate album."  I don't buy that George deliberately stole the "He's So Fine" hook.  How many ways could "My Sweet Lord"..those three words be said?  Try and come up with a melody for them....in any other way.  I buy George's explanation that "Oh Happy Day" was what he was thinking about and inspired by.  (I guess he could have sung those three words to the tune of Oh Happy Day.  :-)  ) And, in any case, didn't Lennon steal the "Come Together" melody from one of Chuck Berry's songs? He was not in any position to make the comments he made about the whole lawsuit.  He and Paul "allowed" George to have a song or two on albums, but their stuff had to predominate and be up front. He needed George when it came time to record his "Imagine" album, much more than George needed him.  George could approach that project from a position of strength. That must have been gratifying.  His guitar solos on "Gimme Some Truth" and "How Do You Sleep" make those songs.  He contributed just the right guitar parts for many a Lennon/McCartney tune......"Nowhere Man" and "It's Only Love" are just two examples.  What difference does it make if George was 14, 14 1/2, or 15 when he joined the Quarry Men?  That's a minor detail.  Sorry....I didn't mean for this to come off as "throwing rotten tomatoes" or whatever.  I just think George deserved better when he was a Beatle.....and to be taken more seriously.  

                          Thank you for making objective posts. I agree. I have listened to He's So Fine and My Sweet Lord hundreds of times over the years and any similarity is miniscule. I thought George was ripped off in the lawsuit. Ringo was actually regarded as the most cute when the Beatles first came to America. George was handsome and John was referred to as being hot by one female fan in HELP. They were are all cuter than the others at one point in time or the other. I noticed that the girl fans still had their own preferences, regardless :)  

                          Ringo was the most popular  Beatle in the U.S. Paul was considered the cutest, George was handsome and John was sexy. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it! 😂

                          P.S. I agree that the similarity between the 2 songs is slight and George got ripped off! 

                            Nancy R wrote:

                            Beatles4Ever&Ever wrote:
                             
                            Beatles4Ever&Ever wrote:

                            Well, a case could be made that Paul was cuddly cute, but George was handsome.  Take a good look at some of their photo shoots...particularly the earlier ones before George grew his hair long.  George was better looking than Paul; his facial features were more distinct and interesting.  Paul looked cuddly, but soft., nothing well defined or classic....and that's how he has aged.  In the article, John comes off as purely jealous of George's success with the song...and with his "strong out of the gate album."  I don't buy that George deliberately stole the "He's So Fine" hook.  How many ways could "My Sweet Lord"..those three words be said?  Try and come up with a melody for them....in any other way.  I buy George's explanation that "Oh Happy Day" was what he was thinking about and inspired by.  (I guess he could have sung those three words to the tune of Oh Happy Day.  :-)  ) And, in any case, didn't Lennon steal the "Come Together" melody from one of Chuck Berry's songs? He was not in any position to make the comments he made about the whole lawsuit.  He and Paul "allowed" George to have a song or two on albums, but their stuff had to predominate and be up front. He needed George when it came time to record his "Imagine" album, much more than George needed him.  George could approach that project from a position of strength. That must have been gratifying.  His guitar solos on "Gimme Some Truth" and "How Do You Sleep" make those songs.  He contributed just the right guitar parts for many a Lennon/McCartney tune......"Nowhere Man" and "It's Only Love" are just two examples.  What difference does it make if George was 14, 14 1/2, or 15 when he joined the Quarry Men?  That's a minor detail.  Sorry....I didn't mean for this to come off as "throwing rotten tomatoes" or whatever.  I just think George deserved better when he was a Beatle.....and to be taken more seriously.  

                            Well, we agree to disagree. What I was really referring to were the words “by far.” I thought George was handsome, but not “by far” the best looking. To me that was always Paul. I don’t know if you are a man or a woman, so that might make a difference in how you feel about their looks. Paul was freaking gorgeous and John was really sexy looking to me in the years 1964-1967. And I don’t like when journalists or authors make mistakes on things that are so easy to check. That’s why I love Mark Lewisohn’s books so much. He is so accurate and meticulous in his research. No errors or even typos! 

                            John pinched the line “Here come old flat top” for Come Together. There was a lawsuit: (John ended up coming out on top in the end!)

                            In 1973, "Come Together" was the subject of a lawsuit brought against Lennon by Big Seven Music Corp. (owned by Morris Levy) who was the publisher of Chuck Berry's "You Can't Catch Me". Levy contended that it sounded similar musically to Berry's original and shared some lyrics (Lennon sang "Here come ol' flattop, he come groovin' up slowly" and Berry's had sung "Here come a flattop, he was movin' up with me"). Before recording, Lennon and McCartney deliberately slowed the song down and added a heavy bass riff in order to make the song more original.[11] After settling out of court, Lennon promised to record three other songs owned by Levy.[16] A brief version of "Ya Ya" with Lennon and his son Julian was released on the album Walls and Bridges in 1974. "You Can't Catch Me" and another version of "Ya Ya" were released on Lennon's 1975 album Rock 'n' Roll, but the third, "Angel Baby", remained unreleased until after Lennon's death. Levy again sued Lennon for breach of contract, and was eventually awarded $6,795. Lennon countersued after Levy released an album of Lennon material using tapes that were in his possession and was eventually awarded $84,912.96. The album was called Roots.[17]

                            I do agree that George deserved better as a Beatle. I don’t know why this lettering is smaller! 

                            Hope you don't think I was being contrary just for the fun of it, or whatever.  On the subject of George.....an article in Beatlefan on how some of his songs were just tossedd off by the others or not properly produced talked about two in Particular:  "It's All Too Much" and ""All Things Must Pass."  The first could and should have been a great Beatles' anthem song.  For whatever reasons....you probably read about it in issue 228....it just was not treated the same as it would have been if it were a Lennon/McCartney song.  George Martin was not there except for the final day and didn't write an orchestral score for it, the trumpeters were pretty left to their own devices, the ending went on too long, etc.  I have always thought that.  I love the song, even with the shoddy production, and believe it should be a staple on Classic Rock.  It was not properly treated or featured as it should have been.  Same with "All Things Must Pass."  There apparently is a completed version by the Beatles that just has never been released.  Or maybe Paul and John were too busy on their stuff to care for it to ne properly finished.  John's miffed about "Across The Universe" and apparently we haven't heard what he considered the true version.  He thought Paul sabatoged it.  And then there's the version of "Good Night" with a great and tender vocal by John and the other Beatles doing harmony that has never been released.  And on and on..."All Things Must Pass" would have been a great song on either "Let It Be" or "Abbey Road."  On a brief moment about Paul and George.....I agree with you on the "by far" comment.  I don't know if my being a man or woman would make any difference...but....I am a gay man.  Not that there's anything wrong with that.  :-)  Thank you, Jerry Seinfeld!!  Not that you care about any of that....or how I felt about any of the Beatles and their looks, but for whatever reason, I never thought of any of them in "that" way. At all.  It kind of baffles me why I didn't/don't, but they were just these very talented guys who made music I loved.  Beyond that....nothing.  I can look at photos of them when they were all young and good looking...and no thoughts about them other than their talent enter my mind.  No fantasies......  The young Paul had dreamy eyes as your photos show and about as perfect of a face as one could hope to have, but.....nothing.  ;-)  I did think he would age a bit better than he has......  It is what it is.  It is odd, however, that photos of him that he has control over are touched up to smooth his face....he seems to care how he looks....why didn't/doesn't he use a few coins and just get a face lift or some work done?  

                            We will have to ask Bruce M’s opinion - he’s a gay man too! Funny to me that you never had feelings for any of them “that” way - I know I did even when I first saw them at age 8 (nearly 9) in Feb. 1964! (I think I instantly hit puberty!) 😂

                            And btw, that version of Good Night was released on the White Album deluxe set - it is fantastic! I prefer that version to the released one!

                            And I agree - Paul should have gotten a facelift ages ago!

                            Yes, ask Bruce.  I recall his "coming out" on this forum some time ago. I'm pretty sure there are others. I agree it is strange that I loved them for their music only. You and I are just about the same age.  I was old enough to be aware of them on Ed Sullivan and somehow know they were special and would be changing music, but not fully old enough for anything else..other thoughts, had there been any. Some of my friends find it odd as well, however. Maybe throughout the 60's and 70's I thought they were all just too special for any of that other. Now, if we were talking about John Mayer or, say, Sam Hunt, whole different story!  :-)  You indicated the version of "Good Night" I mentioned is on the White Album deluxe set.  I thought I had listened to all of that....heard the one with John playing guitar and another one with all the Beatles providing backup harmony, but not one with just John tenderly singing lead vocal on the song.  Back I go to the White Album.  The official one had to be done by Ringo, of course.  It would not have worked with John singing it, even though he wrote it.  Too bad it was the over-produced version that made the album.Yes, a nip and tuck would have done wonders for Paul!

                              Beatles4Ever&Ever wrote:

                              Nancy R wrote:
                              Beatles4Ever&Ever wrote:
                               
                              Beatles4Ever&Ever wrote:

                              Well, a case could be made that Paul was cuddly cute, but George was handsome.  Take a good look at some of their photo shoots...particularly the earlier ones before George grew his hair long.  George was better looking than Paul; his facial features were more distinct and interesting.  Paul looked cuddly, but soft., nothing well defined or classic....and that's how he has aged.  In the article, John comes off as purely jealous of George's success with the song...and with his "strong out of the gate album."  I don't buy that George deliberately stole the "He's So Fine" hook.  How many ways could "My Sweet Lord"..those three words be said?  Try and come up with a melody for them....in any other way.  I buy George's explanation that "Oh Happy Day" was what he was thinking about and inspired by.  (I guess he could have sung those three words to the tune of Oh Happy Day.  :-)  ) And, in any case, didn't Lennon steal the "Come Together" melody from one of Chuck Berry's songs? He was not in any position to make the comments he made about the whole lawsuit.  He and Paul "allowed" George to have a song or two on albums, but their stuff had to predominate and be up front. He needed George when it came time to record his "Imagine" album, much more than George needed him.  George could approach that project from a position of strength. That must have been gratifying.  His guitar solos on "Gimme Some Truth" and "How Do You Sleep" make those songs.  He contributed just the right guitar parts for many a Lennon/McCartney tune......"Nowhere Man" and "It's Only Love" are just two examples.  What difference does it make if George was 14, 14 1/2, or 15 when he joined the Quarry Men?  That's a minor detail.  Sorry....I didn't mean for this to come off as "throwing rotten tomatoes" or whatever.  I just think George deserved better when he was a Beatle.....and to be taken more seriously.  

                              Well, we agree to disagree. What I was really referring to were the words “by far.” I thought George was handsome, but not “by far” the best looking. To me that was always Paul. I don’t know if you are a man or a woman, so that might make a difference in how you feel about their looks. Paul was freaking gorgeous and John was really sexy looking to me in the years 1964-1967. And I don’t like when journalists or authors make mistakes on things that are so easy to check. That’s why I love Mark Lewisohn’s books so much. He is so accurate and meticulous in his research. No errors or even typos! 

                              John pinched the line “Here come old flat top” for Come Together. There was a lawsuit: (John ended up coming out on top in the end!)

                              In 1973, "Come Together" was the subject of a lawsuit brought against Lennon by Big Seven Music Corp. (owned by Morris Levy) who was the publisher of Chuck Berry's "You Can't Catch Me". Levy contended that it sounded similar musically to Berry's original and shared some lyrics (Lennon sang "Here come ol' flattop, he come groovin' up slowly" and Berry's had sung "Here come a flattop, he was movin' up with me"). Before recording, Lennon and McCartney deliberately slowed the song down and added a heavy bass riff in order to make the song more original.[11] After settling out of court, Lennon promised to record three other songs owned by Levy.[16] A brief version of "Ya Ya" with Lennon and his son Julian was released on the album Walls and Bridges in 1974. "You Can't Catch Me" and another version of "Ya Ya" were released on Lennon's 1975 album Rock 'n' Roll, but the third, "Angel Baby", remained unreleased until after Lennon's death. Levy again sued Lennon for breach of contract, and was eventually awarded $6,795. Lennon countersued after Levy released an album of Lennon material using tapes that were in his possession and was eventually awarded $84,912.96. The album was called Roots.[17]

                              I do agree that George deserved better as a Beatle. I don’t know why this lettering is smaller! 

                              Hope you don't think I was being contrary just for the fun of it, or whatever.  On the subject of George.....an article in Beatlefan on how some of his songs were just tossedd off by the others or not properly produced talked about two in Particular:  "It's All Too Much" and ""All Things Must Pass."  The first could and should have been a great Beatles' anthem song.  For whatever reasons....you probably read about it in issue 228....it just was not treated the same as it would have been if it were a Lennon/McCartney song.  George Martin was not there except for the final day and didn't write an orchestral score for it, the trumpeters were pretty left to their own devices, the ending went on too long, etc.  I have always thought that.  I love the song, even with the shoddy production, and believe it should be a staple on Classic Rock.  It was not properly treated or featured as it should have been.  Same with "All Things Must Pass."  There apparently is a completed version by the Beatles that just has never been released.  Or maybe Paul and John were too busy on their stuff to care for it to ne properly finished.  John's miffed about "Across The Universe" and apparently we haven't heard what he considered the true version.  He thought Paul sabatoged it.  And then there's the version of "Good Night" with a great and tender vocal by John and the other Beatles doing harmony that has never been released.  And on and on..."All Things Must Pass" would have been a great song on either "Let It Be" or "Abbey Road."  On a brief moment about Paul and George.....I agree with you on the "by far" comment.  I don't know if my being a man or woman would make any difference...but....I am a gay man.  Not that there's anything wrong with that.  :-)  Thank you, Jerry Seinfeld!!  Not that you care about any of that....or how I felt about any of the Beatles and their looks, but for whatever reason, I never thought of any of them in "that" way. At all.  It kind of baffles me why I didn't/don't, but they were just these very talented guys who made music I loved.  Beyond that....nothing.  I can look at photos of them when they were all young and good looking...and no thoughts about them other than their talent enter my mind.  No fantasies......  The young Paul had dreamy eyes as your photos show and about as perfect of a face as one could hope to have, but.....nothing.  ;-)  I did think he would age a bit better than he has......  It is what it is.  It is odd, however, that photos of him that he has control over are touched up to smooth his face....he seems to care how he looks....why didn't/doesn't he use a few coins and just get a face lift or some work done?  

                              We will have to ask Bruce M’s opinion - he’s a gay man too! Funny to me that you never had feelings for any of them “that” way - I know I did even when I first saw them at age 8 (nearly 9) in Feb. 1964! (I think I instantly hit puberty!) 😂

                              And btw, that version of Good Night was released on the White Album deluxe set - it is fantastic! I prefer that version to the released one!

                              And I agree - Paul should have gotten a facelift ages ago!

                              Yes, ask Bruce.  I recall his "coming out" on this forum some time ago. I'm pretty sure there are others. I agree it is strange that I loved them for their music only. You and I are just about the same age.  I was old enough to be aware of them on Ed Sullivan and somehow know they were special and would be changing music, but not fully old enough for anything else..other thoughts, had there been any. Some of my friends find it odd as well, however. Maybe throughout the 60's and 70's I thought they were all just too special for any of that other. Now, if we were talking about John Mayer or, say, Sam Hunt, whole different story!  :-)  You indicated the version of "Good Night" I mentioned is on the White Album deluxe set.  I thought I had listened to all of that....heard the one with John playing guitar and another one with all the Beatles providing backup harmony, but not one with just John tenderly singing lead vocal on the song.  Back I go to the White Album.  The official one had to be done by Ringo, of course.  It would not have worked with John singing it, even though he wrote it.  Too bad it was the over-produced version that made the album.Yes, a nip and tuck would have done wonders for Paul!

                               

                                Beatles4Ever&Ever wrote:

                                Nancy R wrote:
                                Beatles4Ever&Ever wrote:
                                 
                                Beatles4Ever&Ever wrote:

                                Well, a case could be made that Paul was cuddly cute, but George was handsome.  Take a good look at some of their photo shoots...particularly the earlier ones before George grew his hair long.  George was better looking than Paul; his facial features were more distinct and interesting.  Paul looked cuddly, but soft., nothing well defined or classic....and that's how he has aged.  In the article, John comes off as purely jealous of George's success with the song...and with his "strong out of the gate album."  I don't buy that George deliberately stole the "He's So Fine" hook.  How many ways could "My Sweet Lord"..those three words be said?  Try and come up with a melody for them....in any other way.  I buy George's explanation that "Oh Happy Day" was what he was thinking about and inspired by.  (I guess he could have sung those three words to the tune of Oh Happy Day.  :-)  ) And, in any case, didn't Lennon steal the "Come Together" melody from one of Chuck Berry's songs? He was not in any position to make the comments he made about the whole lawsuit.  He and Paul "allowed" George to have a song or two on albums, but their stuff had to predominate and be up front. He needed George when it came time to record his "Imagine" album, much more than George needed him.  George could approach that project from a position of strength. That must have been gratifying.  His guitar solos on "Gimme Some Truth" and "How Do You Sleep" make those songs.  He contributed just the right guitar parts for many a Lennon/McCartney tune......"Nowhere Man" and "It's Only Love" are just two examples.  What difference does it make if George was 14, 14 1/2, or 15 when he joined the Quarry Men?  That's a minor detail.  Sorry....I didn't mean for this to come off as "throwing rotten tomatoes" or whatever.  I just think George deserved better when he was a Beatle.....and to be taken more seriously.  

                                Well, we agree to disagree. What I was really referring to were the words “by far.” I thought George was handsome, but not “by far” the best looking. To me that was always Paul. I don’t know if you are a man or a woman, so that might make a difference in how you feel about their looks. Paul was freaking gorgeous and John was really sexy looking to me in the years 1964-1967. And I don’t like when journalists or authors make mistakes on things that are so easy to check. That’s why I love Mark Lewisohn’s books so much. He is so accurate and meticulous in his research. No errors or even typos! 

                                John pinched the line “Here come old flat top” for Come Together. There was a lawsuit: (John ended up coming out on top in the end!)

                                In 1973, "Come Together" was the subject of a lawsuit brought against Lennon by Big Seven Music Corp. (owned by Morris Levy) who was the publisher of Chuck Berry's "You Can't Catch Me". Levy contended that it sounded similar musically to Berry's original and shared some lyrics (Lennon sang "Here come ol' flattop, he come groovin' up slowly" and Berry's had sung "Here come a flattop, he was movin' up with me"). Before recording, Lennon and McCartney deliberately slowed the song down and added a heavy bass riff in order to make the song more original.[11] After settling out of court, Lennon promised to record three other songs owned by Levy.[16] A brief version of "Ya Ya" with Lennon and his son Julian was released on the album Walls and Bridges in 1974. "You Can't Catch Me" and another version of "Ya Ya" were released on Lennon's 1975 album Rock 'n' Roll, but the third, "Angel Baby", remained unreleased until after Lennon's death. Levy again sued Lennon for breach of contract, and was eventually awarded $6,795. Lennon countersued after Levy released an album of Lennon material using tapes that were in his possession and was eventually awarded $84,912.96. The album was called Roots.[17]

                                I do agree that George deserved better as a Beatle. 

                                Yes, ask Bruce.  I recall his "coming out" on this forum some time ago. I'm pretty sure there are others. I agree it is strange that I loved them for their music only. You and I are just about the same age.  I was old enough to be aware of them on Ed Sullivan and somehow know they were special and would be changing music, but not fully old enough for anything else..other thoughts, had there been any. Some of my friends find it odd as well, however. Maybe throughout the 60's and 70's I thought they were all just too special for any of that other. Now, if we were talking about John Mayer or, say, Sam Hunt, whole different story!  :-)  You indicated the version of "Good Night" I mentioned is on the White Album deluxe set.  I thought I had listened to all of that....heard the one with John playing guitar and another one with all the Beatles providing backup harmony, but not one with just John tenderly singing lead vocal on the song.  Back I go to the White Album.  The official one had to be done by Ringo, of course.  It would not have worked with John singing it, even though he wrote it.  Too bad it was the over-produced version that made the album.Yes, a nip and tuck would have done wonders for Paul!

                                Sorry, I misread what you wrote and thought you were referring to the Ringo Good Night with the other 3 singing harmony. I don’t think I’ve heard the one with John singing lead. 

                                I PMed Bruce, but he hasn’t answered yet.

                                ”Nip and tuck!” 😂. I loved that show (NipTuck) about the plastic surgeons!

                                (had to delete some of our conversation to fit my reply in!)

                                  Nancy R wrote:

                                  Beatles4Ever&Ever wrote:
                                   
                                  Beatles4Ever&Ever wrote:

                                  Well, a case could be made that Paul was cuddly cute, but George was handsome.  Take a good look at some of their photo shoots...particularly the earlier ones before George grew his hair long.  George was better looking than Paul; his facial features were more distinct and interesting.  Paul looked cuddly, but soft., nothing well defined or classic....and that's how he has aged.  In the article, John comes off as purely jealous of George's success with the song...and with his "strong out of the gate album."  I don't buy that George deliberately stole the "He's So Fine" hook.  How many ways could "My Sweet Lord"..those three words be said?  Try and come up with a melody for them....in any other way.  I buy George's explanation that "Oh Happy Day" was what he was thinking about and inspired by.  (I guess he could have sung those three words to the tune of Oh Happy Day.  :-)  ) And, in any case, didn't Lennon steal the "Come Together" melody from one of Chuck Berry's songs? He was not in any position to make the comments he made about the whole lawsuit.  He and Paul "allowed" George to have a song or two on albums, but their stuff had to predominate and be up front. He needed George when it came time to record his "Imagine" album, much more than George needed him.  George could approach that project from a position of strength. That must have been gratifying.  His guitar solos on "Gimme Some Truth" and "How Do You Sleep" make those songs.  He contributed just the right guitar parts for many a Lennon/McCartney tune......"Nowhere Man" and "It's Only Love" are just two examples.  What difference does it make if George was 14, 14 1/2, or 15 when he joined the Quarry Men?  That's a minor detail.  Sorry....I didn't mean for this to come off as "throwing rotten tomatoes" or whatever.  I just think George deserved better when he was a Beatle.....and to be taken more seriously.  

                                  Well, we agree to disagree. What I was really referring to were the words “by far.” I thought George was handsome, but not “by far” the best looking. To me that was always Paul. I don’t know if you are a man or a woman, so that might make a difference in how you feel about their looks. Paul was freaking gorgeous and John was really sexy looking to me in the years 1964-1967. And I don’t like when journalists or authors make mistakes on things that are so easy to check. That’s why I love Mark Lewisohn’s books so much. He is so accurate and meticulous in his research. No errors or even typos! 

                                  John pinched the line “Here come old flat top” for Come Together. There was a lawsuit: (John ended up coming out on top in the end!)

                                  In 1973, "Come Together" was the subject of a lawsuit brought against Lennon by Big Seven Music Corp. (owned by Morris Levy) who was the publisher of Chuck Berry's "You Can't Catch Me". Levy contended that it sounded similar musically to Berry's original and shared some lyrics (Lennon sang "Here come ol' flattop, he come groovin' up slowly" and Berry's had sung "Here come a flattop, he was movin' up with me"). Before recording, Lennon and McCartney deliberately slowed the song down and added a heavy bass riff in order to make the song more original.[11] After settling out of court, Lennon promised to record three other songs owned by Levy.[16] A brief version of "Ya Ya" with Lennon and his son Julian was released on the album Walls and Bridges in 1974. "You Can't Catch Me" and another version of "Ya Ya" were released on Lennon's 1975 album Rock 'n' Roll, but the third, "Angel Baby", remained unreleased until after Lennon's death. Levy again sued Lennon for breach of contract, and was eventually awarded $6,795. Lennon countersued after Levy released an album of Lennon material using tapes that were in his possession and was eventually awarded $84,912.96. The album was called Roots.[17]

                                  I do agree that George deserved better as a Beatle. I don’t know why this lettering is smaller! 

                                  Hope you don't think I was being contrary just for the fun of it, or whatever.  On the subject of George.....an article in Beatlefan on how some of his songs were just tossedd off by the others or not properly produced talked about two in Particular:  "It's All Too Much" and ""All Things Must Pass."  The first could and should have been a great Beatles' anthem song.  For whatever reasons....you probably read about it in issue 228....it just was not treated the same as it would have been if it were a Lennon/McCartney song.  George Martin was not there except for the final day and didn't write an orchestral score for it, the trumpeters were pretty left to their own devices, the ending went on too long, etc.  I have always thought that.  I love the song, even with the shoddy production, and believe it should be a staple on Classic Rock.  It was not properly treated or featured as it should have been.  Same with "All Things Must Pass."  There apparently is a completed version by the Beatles that just has never been released.  Or maybe Paul and John were too busy on their stuff to care for it to ne properly finished.  John's miffed about "Across The Universe" and apparently we haven't heard what he considered the true version.  He thought Paul sabatoged it.  And then there's the version of "Good Night" with a great and tender vocal by John and the other Beatles doing harmony that has never been released.  And on and on..."All Things Must Pass" would have been a great song on either "Let It Be" or "Abbey Road."  On a brief moment about Paul and George.....I agree with you on the "by far" comment.  I don't know if my being a man or woman would make any difference...but....I am a gay man.  Not that there's anything wrong with that.  :-)  Thank you, Jerry Seinfeld!!  Not that you care about any of that....or how I felt about any of the Beatles and their looks, but for whatever reason, I never thought of any of them in "that" way. At all.  It kind of baffles me why I didn't/don't, but they were just these very talented guys who made music I loved.  Beyond that....nothing.  I can look at photos of them when they were all young and good looking...and no thoughts about them other than their talent enter my mind.  No fantasies......  The young Paul had dreamy eyes as your photos show and about as perfect of a face as one could hope to have, but.....nothing.  ;-)  I did think he would age a bit better than he has......  It is what it is.  It is odd, however, that photos of him that he has control over are touched up to smooth his face....he seems to care how he looks....why didn't/doesn't he use a few coins and just get a face lift or some work done?  

                                  We will have to ask Bruce M’s opinion - he’s a gay man too! Funny to me that you never had feelings for any of them “that” way - I know I did even when I first saw them at age 8 (nearly 9) in Feb. 1964! (I think I instantly hit puberty!) 😂

                                  And btw, that version of Good Night was released on the White Album deluxe set - it is fantastic! I prefer that version to the released one!

                                  And I agree - Paul should have gotten a facelift ages ago!

                                  Since Nancy has invited me to wade into the minefield...

                                  I got interested in the Beatles around age 10, before I had any clue of my sexuality, so somehow it never really occurred to me to be attracted to them. And yet I do remember thinking I really liked the way Paul looked on the cover of Let It Be -- not the beard so much (though I didn't mind it), but something about his eyes and overall look. Objectively I think George was quite handsome when he didn't look too scruffy. But I never really had a crush on any of them. I did briefly have a crush on Shaun Cassidy, though I was never remotely a fan. Go figure.

                                    "It's All Too Much" never sounded like much of a song to meindecision

                                      Bruce, Shaun Cassidy!.... Really!... I am not a gay man, but I must say I appereciate good looking men. MIchael Hutchence, Jim Morrison, Jeff Buckley. Top of the scale when it comes to great musicians and Mr. Charismas... all very hot..... I never looked at any of the Beatles as being 'sexy'. Brilliant on every level, but never saw them as being 'sexy'.... no doubt, Nancy, Ooobs and a few others will disagree!.... I still love River Phoenix.

                                       

                                        toris wrote:

                                        Bruce, Shaun Cassidy!.... Really!... I am not a gay man, but I must say I appereciate good looking men. MIchael Hutchence, Jim Morrison, Jeff Buckley. Top of the scale when it comes to great musicians and Mr. Charismas... all very hot..... I never looked at any of the Beatles as being 'sexy'. Brilliant on every level, but never saw them as being 'sexy'.... no doubt, Nancy, Ooobs and a few others will disagree!.... I still love River Phoenix.

                                         

                                        Thank you for chiming in.  laugh  You probably don't want to hear any more on this subject, I'm sure, but just a few more sentences....Men do have bromances....just appreciate and know a good-looking man when they see one.  Ellen asks this of her male guests all the time.....we hear Brad Pitt, Tom Brady,...and any number of men mentioned by straight males.  It's normal.  We would all have to be blind not to notice an attractive person of either sex.  I believe I didn't think of any of the Beatles in "that" way was because I placed them on a pedestal right off when I was very young.  They were off limits.  Seeing Paul in the "Let It Be" and "Hey Jude" videos does get my heart jumping a bit, but that's about it.  Hispanic men? Yes.  Men from the Middle East? Yes.  Men from Easter European countries? Yes.  My ancestors came from Scandanavian countries and Western Europe, so I am fair skinned and blue eyed.  So.....go for opposites, I guess.  Now, I will end this.   (I have no idea who Michael Hutchence is.)  River Phoenix!!  Yes!!  Numerous Australian actors?  Yes!  Same observation to Bruce!  Shaun Cassidy?   Really!!!!  LOL  Not his older brother, David, either!!!! indecision

                                          SusyLuvsPaul wrote:

                                          "It's All Too Much" never sounded like much of a song to meindecision

                                          Then you just ain't listenin'!!  Some great lyrics....tune...danceable.....but very poorly produced or totally unproduced.  IMO

                                            Nancy R wrote:

                                            Beatles4Ever&Ever wrote:
                                            Nancy R wrote:
                                            Beatles4Ever&Ever wrote:
                                             
                                            Beatles4Ever&Ever wrote:

                                            Well, a case could be made that Paul was cuddly cute, but George was handsome.  Take a good look at some of their photo shoots...particularly the earlier ones before George grew his hair long.  George was better looking than Paul; his facial features were more distinct and interesting.  Paul looked cuddly, but soft., nothing well defined or classic....and that's how he has aged.  In the article, John comes off as purely jealous of George's success with the song...and with his "strong out of the gate album."  I don't buy that George deliberately stole the "He's So Fine" hook.  How many ways could "My Sweet Lord"..those three words be said?  Try and come up with a melody for them....in any other way.  I buy George's explanation that "Oh Happy Day" was what he was thinking about and inspired by.  (I guess he could have sung those three words to the tune of Oh Happy Day.  :-)  ) And, in any case, didn't Lennon steal the "Come Together" melody from one of Chuck Berry's songs? He was not in any position to make the comments he made about the whole lawsuit.  He and Paul "allowed" George to have a song or two on albums, but their stuff had to predominate and be up front. He needed George when it came time to record his "Imagine" album, much more than George needed him.  George could approach that project from a position of strength. That must have been gratifying.  His guitar solos on "Gimme Some Truth" and "How Do You Sleep" make those songs.  He contributed just the right guitar parts for many a Lennon/McCartney tune......"Nowhere Man" and "It's Only Love" are just two examples.  What difference does it make if George was 14, 14 1/2, or 15 when he joined the Quarry Men?  That's a minor detail.  Sorry....I didn't mean for this to come off as "throwing rotten tomatoes" or whatever.  I just think George deserved better when he was a Beatle.....and to be taken more seriously.  

                                            Well, we agree to disagree. What I was really referring to were the words “by far.” I thought George was handsome, but not “by far” the best looking. To me that was always Paul. I don’t know if you are a man or a woman, so that might make a difference in how you feel about their looks. Paul was freaking gorgeous and John was really sexy looking to me in the years 1964-1967. And I don’t like when journalists or authors make mistakes on things that are so easy to check. That’s why I love Mark Lewisohn’s books so much. He is so accurate and meticulous in his research. No errors or even typos! 

                                            John pinched the line “Here come old flat top” for Come Together. There was a lawsuit: (John ended up coming out on top in the end!)

                                            In 1973, "Come Together" was the subject of a lawsuit brought against Lennon by Big Seven Music Corp. (owned by Morris Levy) who was the publisher of Chuck Berry's "You Can't Catch Me". Levy contended that it sounded similar musically to Berry's original and shared some lyrics (Lennon sang "Here come ol' flattop, he come groovin' up slowly" and Berry's had sung "Here come a flattop, he was movin' up with me"). Before recording, Lennon and McCartney deliberately slowed the song down and added a heavy bass riff in order to make the song more original.[11] After settling out of court, Lennon promised to record three other songs owned by Levy.[16] A brief version of "Ya Ya" with Lennon and his son Julian was released on the album Walls and Bridges in 1974. "You Can't Catch Me" and another version of "Ya Ya" were released on Lennon's 1975 album Rock 'n' Roll, but the third, "Angel Baby", remained unreleased until after Lennon's death. Levy again sued Lennon for breach of contract, and was eventually awarded $6,795. Lennon countersued after Levy released an album of Lennon material using tapes that were in his possession and was eventually awarded $84,912.96. The album was called Roots.[17]

                                            I do agree that George deserved better as a Beatle. 

                                            Yes, ask Bruce.  I recall his "coming out" on this forum some time ago. I'm pretty sure there are others. I agree it is strange that I loved them for their music only. You and I are just about the same age.  I was old enough to be aware of them on Ed Sullivan and somehow know they were special and would be changing music, but not fully old enough for anything else..other thoughts, had there been any. Some of my friends find it odd as well, however. Maybe throughout the 60's and 70's I thought they were all just too special for any of that other. Now, if we were talking about John Mayer or, say, Sam Hunt, whole different story!  :-)  You indicated the version of "Good Night" I mentioned is on the White Album deluxe set.  I thought I had listened to all of that....heard the one with John playing guitar and another one with all the Beatles providing backup harmony, but not one with just John tenderly singing lead vocal on the song.  Back I go to the White Album.  The official one had to be done by Ringo, of course.  It would not have worked with John singing it, even though he wrote it.  Too bad it was the over-produced version that made the album.Yes, a nip and tuck would have done wonders for Paul!

                                            Sorry, I misread what you wrote and thought you were referring to the Ringo Good Night with the other 3 singing harmony. I don’t think I’ve heard the one with John singing lead. 

                                            I PMed Bruce, but he hasn’t answered yet.

                                            ”Nip and tuck!” 😂. I loved that show (NipTuck) about the plastic surgeons!

                                            (had to delete some of our conversation to fit my reply in!)

                                            Yes, we watched NipTuck too.  I figured your may have misunderstood..on the "Good NIght." I knew the three versions on the While Album...deluxe were all Ringo singing lead.  Not sure about Bruce's answer!  Shaun Cassidy!!!    Toris had some interesting observations. I commented there.  More on my Beatles' thing.....I had them on a pedestal.  They were off limits!  Thanks for al the interchanges and comments!  laugh

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