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What is wrong with eating invasive species?

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      What is wrong with eating an invasive species? They do exist. Alien animals coming to a new environment and finding no natural enemies. they tend to destroy the native animals and wreak ecological mayhem.

      I was reading about the snakes somewhere in the Pacific on an island. They came over not long ago and have nothing that eats them. They, however, have a buffet of native birds and animals and are destroying them. I think mongooses or dogs were being brought in to control them but that doesn't always work. Sometimes these animals go after the native species too instead.

      Closer to home, here in the Great Lakes, we've got the Asian Carp. It's decimated lake ecosystems. It's so dangerous, it's against the law to even own one as a pet due to the risk of it getting in the environment. There's even a screen built to try and keep it out of the lakes.

      The thing with the Asian Carp is that it's edible. Letting it breed in the water is out of the question as it destroys native populations, but when it does reach the Great Lakes, consuming it might prove to be an option (especially since it will kill everything else).
      My question is, what is wrong with doing this to save the environment? The problem with most invasive species is they're terrible to eat. (Zebra Mussels, another great lakes destroyer that effects the plant life thus effecting native fish are horrible and taste awful).
      These are animals that are prolific naturally and have the potential to destroy the ecosystem. Are the morals about killing them the same for a species artificially inflated to meet a demand?
      and what about our duty to the environment to protect it?

        you really are that hungry huh

        any excuse to have some animal killed

        now suddenly with some pseudo-enviromentalism excuse

        jeez

          simplyrahil:you really are that hungry huh

          any excuse to have some animal killed

          now suddenly with some pseudo-enviromentalism excuse

          jeez

          Actually I'm from MI myself, (don't live there anymore though) and those fish have been an issue for years. They are destroying the lakes and the environment around them.

          There does come a point where you have to decide, kill the lakes and fresh water/environment (which will cause an even bigger problem) and other fish that live in the lakes or do something with the fish.

            killing means you have to also stuff it in your stomachs?

            why be a corpse-carrier even if the 'killing' is somehow justified environmentally?

            that is the part i don't get

            why would any sane person want to ingest what was just eating off all that other stuff, why would any sane person want to kill that and then put it inside themselves?

              also, i hope that the day if ALIEN SPECIES come to Earth and find us HOMO SAPIENS to be as we are describing these 'invasive animals', that we won't protest and find other logic for why we should be spared.

              because HOMO SAPIENS very well fits the description 'they tend to destroy the native animals and wreak ecological mayhem. '

              just look around. human beings are the scourge of the Earth.

              i hope the same justification for killing us off and eating us will hold then for those who want to try to use it here against other animals.

                simplyrahil:killing means you have to also stuff it in your stomachs?

                why be a corpse-carrier even if the 'killing' is somehow justified environmentally?

                that is the part i don't get

                why would any sane person want to ingest what was just eating off all that other stuff, why would any sane person want to kill that and then put it inside themselves?

                I personally didn't say to eat them, because I don't eat fish. Was just pointing out that these fish are indeed a very bad threat to the environment in MI.

                  i know

                  was tying it up back with the thread originator's threat topic statement of 'eating' them... "What is wrong with eating invasive species?"

                  when it could have just been simply 'what is wrong with killing invasive species'
                  (not that i am agreeing)

                  but no, the continued mentality of having to go on and put it in oneself too

                    simplyrahil:you really are that hungry huh

                    any excuse to have some animal killed

                    now suddenly with some pseudo-enviromentalism excuse

                    jeez

                    It's not psuedo but real. google Asian Carp and Great Lakes. the fact that a screen was built to keep the fish out as it moves up the Misissippi is very real.

                    Plus, invasive species have been documented in other places like Bombay and the snakes. they are bringing in predators to kill them and the snake are wiping out native species

                      It costs money to get rid of an invasive species or keep it at bay and the methods aren't often successful.

                      commercially using the animal often helps pay for that.

                      It is hoped that commercial fishermen might help solve our asian carp problem but they need a market to pay for it. In this case, the fish is edible. (the zebra mussels aren't)

                      this is a threat so great that owning this fish privately is punishable.

                        that's just it.

                        it's only about eat ('edible'), and use ('use the animal').

                        humans are the root of all these issues.

                        all we see are just the disturbances being presented in the aftermath.

                          You don't seem to care about the ecology of the planet very much.

                          the Asian carp needs to be killed in the Great Lakes regions. It's destroying the ecosystem.

                          Just like the snakes in Bombay.

                            hahahaha

                            i don't care??

                            hahahaha

                            says the non-vegan who is responsible with all the other non-vegans for destroying the planet in so many ways with every 'meal'

                            boy, check yourself eh

                            The Environmental Argument

                            Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect

                            Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels

                            Fossil fuels needed to produce meat-centered diet vs a meat-free diet: 3 times more

                            Percentage of US topsoil lost to date: 75

                            Percentage of US topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising: 85

                            Number of acres of US forest cleared for cropland to produce meat-centered diet: 260 million

                            Amount of meat imported to US annually from Central and South America: 300,000,000 pounds

                            Percentage of Central American children under the age of five who are undernourished: 75

                            Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every quarter-pound of rainforest beef: 55 square feet

                            Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1,000 per year

                            think about THIS the next time YOU 'make your burgers and feel you are some environmental hero and inspirer of 'people you made go veg*n' :

                            you cause most harm to the environment, so you should be the last person to tell me crap about not caring about any such

                              ^ ^ Wow, those statistics are really surprising. I had no idea, but that is really bad.

                                simplyrahil:hahahaha

                                i don't care??

                                hahahaha

                                says the non-vegan who is responsible with all the other non-vegans for destroying the planet in so many ways with every 'meal'

                                boy, check yourself eh

                                .

                                First of all, you're derailing another thread .

                                secondly, you obviously don't read anything I post about my self. Every meal? I have two organic vegan meals a day of food that is the easiest to grow with the least water and mostly local.

                                So please check your facts before making any statement. You are just plain wrong in your statements and insults against me. If you're going to attempt an insult, at least get the facts right about the person you're insulting. otherwise, guess what type of person you are?

                                and it seems you care more about your morale high ground and badgering then you do about the environment. (and you convert or convince no one of your views)

                                  also, everything you stated in your graphs, I already knew from John Robbins in the late 80s.

                                  It's why I limit fruit and prefer vegetables. (less water). It's why I eat local and in season stuff 3/4 of the time. It's why the imported food and herbs I eat are only in non-perishable forms.

                                    Kathryn O:

                                    simplyrahil:hahahaha

                                    i don't care??

                                    hahahaha

                                    says the non-vegan who is responsible with all the other non-vegans for destroying the planet in so many ways with every 'meal'

                                    boy, check yourself eh

                                    .

                                    First of all, you're derailing another thread .

                                    you've derailed this entire board with these sort of excuses to kill animals 'topics'

                                    Kathryn O:
                                    secondly, you obviously don't read anything I post about my self. Every meal? I have two organic vegan meals a day of food that is the easiest to grow with the least water and mostly local.

                                    HAHAHAHA
                                    2 'vegan' meals a day while eating meat the rest of the time is 1 step forward and 10 steps back!
                                    you very well know that you eat burgers, and animals in various forms.

                                    Kathryn O:
                                    and it seems you care more about your morale high ground and badgering then you do about the environment. (and you convert or convince no one of your views)

                                    the word is 'moral' in this context.
                                    and the word is 'thAn' not 'thEn', can't you get that by now?

                                    and you with this repeated bla about 'who convert who and how many' is really stale now.
                                    if you actually cared anything about the environment, you'd go vegan without all these excuses.
                                    but of course, you always have an excuse because no one else on here will tell you you are talking nonsense.

                                    the facts speak for themselves.
                                    you cannot be a 'meat-eating environmentalist'.

                                      simplyrahil:hahahaha

                                      i don't care??

                                      hahahaha

                                      that's your problem. and a problem with veganism in general. Wow. instead of acknowledging that I eat two environmentally sound vegan meals a day, you scream and b*tch about the one that isn't.

                                      bet my meals are more environmentally sound then your. (imported foods...lots of fruit which actually takes a huge amount of water and isn't that good for you anyway. things that require constant heating? I eat lots of cold foods for the environment)

                                      It's not stale or lame. It's the truth you can't face....antagonist like this are a detriment to the movement.

                                      the topic is a valid one, not a derailing one.
                                      I basically wanted to see what was more important to you? Your sadistic abuse you like to inflict on me and everyone, or real environmental issues.
                                      With your "I don't care", you have shown that basically you don't really care. about the animals, the environment or anything.

                                      You've basically just shown that all you care about is badgering people. some who live a more environmentally sound life then yours. (and better for the animals too as I actually take care of some)

                                        the facts speak for themselves.

                                        did you know that goats can be raised in areas where crops can't be grown due to poor soil and lack of water for growing common plant foods?

                                          Now, do you have anything to say about invasive species? do you even know anything about the topic of this thread?

                                            simplyrahil:HAHAHAHA
                                            2 'vegan' meals a day while eating meat the rest of the time is 1 step forward and 10 steps back!
                                            you very well know that you eat burgers, and animals in various forms.

                                            Tell that to the MFM movement. 10 steps back? Hardly.
                                            (and your correction of my grammar shows you have no thing to offer but a lame argument).

                                            and yes, you convert no one. Deal with that.

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