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      Swear words are not the only offenders. What about all the derogatory
      words & suggustions in most rap music? Why should kids be able to listen to THAT?

        I'm not sure why an artist would choose in the first place, to use derrogatory language in any form in music or even during a concert.

        I've never heard Paul swear or say anything of a profane nature, out loud at least, in concert or otherwise. He's got kids and grandkids and I'm sure he wants to set the example.

        Like I've said before, Paul's a class act and that's why he's number one in my book.

        Cheers, L

          Well, I guess you never heard "big boys bickering".

            oobu24:Well, I guess you never heard "big boys bickering".

            You know, I had forgotten about that song and I'll make an exception to it because I feel passionate about the state of the environment too. Should he have used it? Not if it would get the song, thus the message, censored perhaps, but I can understand his passion to use it.

            Using profanity in a cold manner or to disrespect a race or gender or just to be using it for shock value, is what is disturbing to me and classless.

            Cheers, L

              I'm sure Paul heard the word f-----k a billion gazillion times growing up in Liverpool, and that he used the word himself, often. It's what he was used to hearing. John Lennon said it many many times in interviews post Beatlehood. It must have been hard for him to restrain himself from using it and (other cuss words) in public during Beatlemania. It's like his favorite word
              I heard Paul murmer the curse word "s---t" once, in a video while he walked through the halls of Abbey Road recording studio, on his way to a session. The only time I've ever heard him say that. I haven't heard him say f-----k, but I understand he sung it, in "Big Boys Bickering"? John Lennon of course famously sung the "F" word in "Working Class Hero."
              I've complained bitterly about all the cussing in Hollywood movies which falls so hard and course on your ears. Shows a limited vocabulary, too.

                Yes, Susy, I think it's use in Hollywood is to appeal to a class of people that they feel buys the tickets to the movies. Paul using it was to appeal to those of us who understand the harm certain people can do to the planet. He's not using it to make money.

                Some of us use profanity as an expletive. It's an expulsion of emotion sometimes. It's use in normal conversation or placid dialogue is just crude.

                Cheers, L

                  ^ I wasn't condemning him OR complaining about him using the word in Big Boys Bickering...I was just pointing out to you "L" because you had stated "I've never heard Paul swear or say anything of a profane nature, out loud at least, in concert or otherwise".

                    Elvis definitely cussed on stage.

                    And the fans loved it.

                    My favorite moment was in June 1975 (Mississippi) when he chewed out the security on stage for being too rough with his fans.

                    It's on a bootleg called Elvis: Cut 'em Down to Size.

                      Doesnt bother me, I accept the use of some swearing, I do it my self.

                      The only problem I have is swearing in front of kids, that is going to far so there are certain places that you should avoid swearing however I have noticed I will avoid swearing in front of kids but it doesnt mean there parents will

                        this ridiculous hullabaloo over things like swearing is just...well, ridiculous. It's a word, it's a word in the english (or whatever language the speaker is using) language, how can a word possibly be offensive? Words are a means of communication, a word unto itself, by definition cannot be offensive, language simply doesn't work that way, it's the intent behind a word that counts.

                        How can you outlaw language? That's a level of control that i'm just not for and never will be for. We're talking about fuckin rock n roll here, now that doesn't mean that you have an obligation to be an arsehole but at the same time, Jesus, your kids do live on planet earth y'know, on building sites, in cafes, school, restaurants, everywhere on earth where there are words there is swearing, whats the big deal? I think it's actually quite expressive.

                        And this whole crap about kids, i think parents get the wrong end of the stick here. I'm about to come across as very patronising here but don't blame me cuz the question warrants it. i dunno if you got the wrong end of the stick when you went to parenting 101 but your job as a parent isn't to somehow make it so children are completely unaware of offensive words, the job isn't to hide them from it, the job is to explain to them that these words, depending on context, are improper for certain occasions, THATS what manners and propriety is, not being unaware of the existence of words by trying to eradicate them from the dictionary or pass judgement on those that utter them on occasion.

                        What exactly is derogatory language? Are some of you seriously suggesting that something should be done about the fact that people are derogatory towards each other?!?! How is that even possible?!?!

                        I don't think artists should be stifled in their right to express themselves, if you don't like it, don't listen and if you don't like your kids hearing it then i'm afraid you're just not being realistic and, dare i say it, approaching the concept of parenting from an odd angle. That sounds awfully arrogant which i don't mean it to, i just don't understand how you could possibly cloak a child from that sort of thing, short of locking them in a closet and only bringing them out for meals and a wash.

                          winstonlegthigh:how you could possibly cloak a child from that sort of thing, short of locking them in a closet and only bringing them out for meals and a wash.

                          Yes... I agree, my parents did that to me... and now I'm terrified of the enclosed spaces!!!

                            winstonlegthigh:

                            And this whole crap about kids, i think parents get the wrong end of the stick here. I'm about to come across as very patronising here but don't blame me cuz the question warrants it. i dunno if you got the wrong end of the stick when you went to parenting 101 but your job as a parent isn't to somehow make it so children are completely unaware of offensive words, the job isn't to hide them from it, the job is to explain to them that these words, depending on context, are improper for certain occasions, THATS what manners and propriety is, not being unaware of the existence of words by trying to eradicate them from the dictionary or pass judgement on those that utter them on occasion.

                            As I mentioned I dont swear in front of children I figured I should add to what you have said, my parents didnt swear in front of me for a good number of years however I heard the language from other forms, like the playground. You will always be around it but by choosing not to swear in that situation shows it is inappropriate. Its often difficult for youngsters to comprehend why something is bad to which they need to be educated.
                            Kids will always be aware of swearing, you dont need to use it around them to illustrate that because it sounds more like its aceeptable.

                            Now I dont actually have any children so what my opinion is for me not to swear in front of other peoples kids, that is what I do not find appropriate. Some parents wont use some form of language in front of them so they dont need other adults using it and for those who do swear in front of their kids that is up to you as long as they understand there is a time and a place, I wont be swearing in front of them intentionally

                            I sound all high and mighty, believe me I do swear I just think thats what makes us humane, knowing when not to swear and to what degree enough is enough

                            In regards to past comments about Macca not swearing on stage, he destroyed that a few weeks ago

                              I have worked with mostly men for too many years... I hear lots of swearing every day, all the time. I have become somewhat immune to it, and I understand how it can become second nature. However, I do try not to swear as a matter of course.

                              There are times however, especially with a few of these guys in particular, in which they will only "hear" you if you swear. Somehow, just talking does not penetrate. Especially if you are trying to make a point about something!! : One guy in particular keeps saying God d*** it in front of me, which really really gets me mad I think he's realized that and so he loves to say it every day!!! Even tho I've asked him over and over not to say that particular phrase in front of me There is a girl I work with, who does expect all the men around us not to curse around her. She is in a losing battle, although she has a cursing jar and makes some of the guys put a quarter in when they swear... it's really not very effective.

                              There is one guy in particular who is really really thick... The only way he will hear something important is for you to curse, to make your point... very thick he is... *@#!§?!

                              From my experience at work, I do see that being around cursing all day, every day... does make it seem ok. Some songs are filled with this cursing, and I see how that gives children the idea that it's ok to talk like that all the time. It is up to the parents and teachers to set some type of standard and limit for children. Hopefully that discussion is going on about how there is a time and a place...

                              That was fun to hear Paul swear... It made me laugh...

                                love2travel- I'm in a male dominated industry and the amount of swearing that goes on is unbelievable, since being in that job I have sworn a lot more, the ammusing thing about that is really we shouldnt swear in front of the customers and to the most part we dont but as soon as its just collegues around the language is horrendous. It is obviously dependent on the environment you are in and knowing when to stop

                                  DCBeatle64:love2travel- I'm in a male dominated industry and the amount of swearing that goes on is unbelievable, since being in that job I have sworn a lot more, the ammusing thing about that is really we shouldnt swear in front of the customers and to the most part we dont but as soon as its just collegues around the language is horrendous. It is obviously dependent on the environment you are in and knowing when to stop

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                                    winstonlegthigh:this ridiculous hullabaloo over things like swearing is just...well, ridiculous. It's a word, it's a word in the english (or whatever language the speaker is using) language, how can a word possibly be offensive? Words are a means of communication, a word unto itself, by definition cannot be offensive, language simply doesn't work that way, it's the intent behind a word that counts.

                                    How can you outlaw language? That's a level of control that i'm just not for and never will be for. We're talking about **** rock n roll here, now that doesn't mean that you have an obligation to be an arsehole but at the same time, Jesus, your kids do live on planet earth y'know, on building sites, in cafes, school, restaurants, everywhere on earth where there are words there is swearing, whats the big deal? I think it's actually quite expressive.

                                    And this whole crap about kids, i think parents get the wrong end of the stick here. I'm about to come across as very patronising here but don't blame me cuz the question
                                    warrants it. i dunno if you got the wrong end of the stick when you went to parenting
                                    101 but your job as a parent isn't to somehow make it so children are completely
                                    unaware of offensive words, the job isn't to hide them from it, the job is to explain to
                                    them that these words, depending on context, are improper for certain occasions,
                                    THATS what manners and propriety is, not being unaware of the existence of words by
                                    trying to eradicate them from the dictionary or pass judgement on those that utter
                                    them on occasion.

                                    What exactly is derogatory language? Are some of you seriously suggesting that something should be done about the fact that people are derogatory towards each
                                    other?!?! How is that even possible?!!

                                    I don't think artists should be stifled in their right to express themselves, if you don't like it, don't listen and if you don't like your kids hearing it then i'm afraid you're just not being realistic and, dare i say it, approaching the concept of parenting from an odd angle. That sounds awfully arrogant which i don't mean it to, i just don't understand how you could possibly cloak a child from that sort of thing, short of locking them in a closet and only bringing them out for meals and a wash.

                                    Your entire post is flawed, full of inaccurate statements and "definitions," irrational concepts, and shows all the insightful reflection and balanced judgement of a ten-year-old. I pray that you are not presently raising children, as this thought frightens me as to the kind of adult they might grow to be.
                                    I wanted to elaborate on most of the things you wrote, but felt it would be a gross waste of my time. However, feel free to PM me if you would like me to clarify what I've written.

                                      Icarus69:Well although I agree that over use of profanity is generally a sign of laziness (or spontanious tourette's syndrome ), and I do find myself occasionally drifting in that direction myself ... but hopefully not too often.

                                      Having said that tho', the thing that kind of got me was during the ABC rebroadcast here in the US (the two hour edited version) they censored the line from The Who song "Who Are You" ... given that the song is decades old, obviously well known and liked (or else it wouldn't have been included) it seemed a little sacreligious to have a major divet in the sound during that one lyric. Given that this was a scant 2-hour scaled down sampling of the highlights ... it just seemed odd to me.

                                      Evidently the surgeon general has determined that swearing is bad for the FCC. How will we ever survive!!!?!

                                      Yo! That song shocked me too!

                                      And the thing of it is, in the meantime, The Supreme Court has determined that children have the First Amendment Right to buy and play ultra-violent video games, many of which include cussin' dirty-blue and nudity/sex/whathaveyou, and yet the FCC is still burdening us all to abide by the sensitivities of others, this in an era of digital broadcasting where every television in the States now comes with The V-Chip so that those who object may simply lock out the content with a password to avoid it. There is still wholesome programming offered by over-the-air broadcast networks 24/7, and these days with subchannels the broadcasters could easily televise a censored and an uncensored version of the same program.
                                      So where is the argument of Broadcasting on The Public Airwaves in The Public Interest in catering to those who do not want the program; who only want the censorship?

                                      Does it make sense to censor the content of known classics like The Godfather or songs such as "Who Are You?" to protect the sensitivities of grown adults who by now should have control of their own t.v. set while allowing the kids by Rights of Free Speech to play snuff games cussin' dirty-blue?

                                      Footnote: I remember a reviewer from the U.K. reporting that he was shocked by "the stripper segment" in Magical Mystery Tour.
                                      He thought the program should have been banned.

                                      Second footnote: Since the decision by The Supreme Court, I've noticed a graphic increase in the permissible violence of movies on t.v., something that was rare prior to the decision. So the PG-rated cussing is still blipped, but R-Rated heads now roll. Ludicrous.

                                        I use profanity's all the time especially when excited !!! I find it relieves stress... am I offended if a musician uses it on stage?.. aaa NO

                                        carry on~

                                          wow what an old thread. must reread it...

                                            patpatpatti:

                                            It's not so much a sign of laziness as it is an increasingly accepted societal/cultural norm. I've been a high school teacher for twenty years and have seen the gradual increase in students' use of profanity. It requires constant effort on the part of teachers to discourage students' use. They don't even realize they're using it, indeed, they don't really think of it as "profanity" anymore.

                                            patti ops:

                                            So true.

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