The 2012 and beyond Political Thread - Part 2
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If you are in the US PLEASE MAKE SURE TO VOTE !!
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audi:
I made the observation that Romney is a sociopath months ago. The shameless, sometimes same-day flip-flops, combined with his attacking the gay kid in high school and cutting his hair, plus Romney causing his blind teacher to walk into a door, I am convinced that Mitt Romney is incapable of feeling guilt.
Please don't forget the dog strapped to the top of a car for a 12 hour ride. Any person who can do that, doesn't have a right to speak for anyone.
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jlw44:
audi:
I made the observation that Romney is a sociopath months ago. The shameless, sometimes same-day flip-flops, combined with his attacking the gay kid in high school and cutting his hair, plus Romney causing his blind teacher to walk into a door, I am convinced that Mitt Romney is incapable of feeling guilt.
Please don't forget the dog strapped to the top of a car for a 12 hour ride. Any person who can do that, doesn't have a right to speak for anyone.
It's a good thing he didn't eat the dog *Like President Obama did .... as written in his book
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I just heard that Chrysler Corp. gave all of its employees the day off to go vote.
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love2travel:
If you are in the US PLEASE MAKE SURE TO VOTE !!
AND... ...Paul McCartney needs to do an all-Fireman show! Oops! Wrong thread.
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Errant Gingrich Email: President Obama Will Win:
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This is how much the REST of the world favours Obama: http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/63592000/gif/_63592043_worldservicepoll_464_romney_embargoed_23102012.gif http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20008687 It makes a thing about Pakistan being the only country to prefer Romney but then if you look at the graph, Pakistan were actually only 14% for Romney and 11% for Obama - so a big majority just against either of them. I struggle to believe that as many as 7% of Brits support Romney.
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I struggle to believe that 10% of Brits still vote LibDem, so 7% thinking Romney as US President is a good idea isn't much of a stretch!
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Here is a third party debate with Gary Johnson (Libertarian) and Dr.Jill Stein (Green Party). If liberty and civil rights is your thing (it appears to be the main thing on these boards) then Johnson is bang right on the buck. Vote Johnson!
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The "Shovel ready jobs" promised by Senator's Obama & Biden in 2008 never materialized as many of their other promises. They were just shoveling it out ...
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Libertarianism is in interesting concept, but one which I feel is destined to fail. Social liberalism and fiscal conservatism are unlikely bedfellows. Those who are socially liberal tend to believe in taxation to help those less fortunate which naturally leads to a "bigger" Government. Those who are socially liberal tend to believe that the rights of the individual are secondary to the rights of the individual, for example gun control. Libertarians, from what I can gather, generally favour little gun control or Government interference. It doesn't help that those within the Libertarian movement cannot agree on the definition or parameters of Libertarianism. My personal feelings towards the movement is that it could potentially damage the very idea of society. Notions such as voluntarily funded Government, for example, would make it very difficult for social projects such as infrastructure initiatives or improvements to get off the ground and I can envisage such an attitude resulting in personal wealth governing individual freedoms if nearly everything is left to private or corporate funding, which is certainly less preferable to the society we live in today. It is too much like that as it is. If I am honest, I believe those people who subscribe to this movement need to think long and hard about long-term social consequences.
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Dustbin Lid:
Libertarianism is in interesting concept, but one which I feel is destined to fail. Social liberalism and fiscal conservatism are unlikely bedfellows. Those who are socially liberal tend to believe in taxation to help those less fortunate which naturally leads to a "bigger" Government. Those who are socially liberal tend to believe that the rights of the individual are secondary to the rights of the individual, for example gun control. Libertarians, from what I can gather, generally favour little gun control or Government interference. It doesn't help that those within the Libertarian movement cannot agree on the definition or parameters of Libertarianism. My personal feelings towards the movement is that it could potentially damage the very idea of society. Notions such as voluntarily funded Government, for example, would make it very difficult for social projects such as infrastructure initiatives or improvements to get off the ground and I can envisage such an attitude resulting in personal wealth governing individual freedoms if nearly everything is left to private or corporate funding, which is certainly less preferable to the society we live in today. It is too much like that as it is. If I am honest, I believe those people who subscribe to this movement need to think long and hard about long-term social consequences.
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Gonna be a landslide for Obama.
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I certainly hope so, although I think that "landslide" may be a touch optimistic.
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Last night, David Letterman said: ?Ladies and gentlemen, today is the last day of the presidential campaign,? announced Letterman. This was met with applause from the studio audience. ?Boy, just flew by, didn't it?? he jokingly asked when the applause died down. ?So here's the rundown: tomorrow is Election Day; Wednesday will be the recount; December 18 the Supreme Court will give the election to Mitt Romney. That's what we got ahead of us.? see video, at link below: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/11/06/letterman-recount-starts-wednesday-supreme-court-gives-election-romne#ixzz2BSJcs7DT
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Judge Orders Obama Mural Covered At Northeast Philadelphia Polling Place November 6, 2012 3:07 PM CBS News you have to see it ... http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/11/06/judge-orders-obama-mural-covered-at-northeast-philadelphia-polling-place/
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Libertarianism is in interesting concept, but one which I feel is destined to fail. Social liberalism and fiscal conservatism are unlikely bedfellows. Those who are socially liberal tend to believe in taxation to help those less fortunate which naturally leads to a "bigger" Government. Those who are socially liberal tend to believe that the rights of the individual are secondary to the rights of the individual, for example gun control. Libertarians, from what I can gather, generally favour little gun control or Government interference.
I do feel that Libertarianism does not exclude helping those from less fortunate backgrounds to thrive, something I feel quite passionate about. Grants and scholerships can still be granted to those children most in need of them, and the re-introduction of many Grammer schools would be an excellent form of social mobility at a time of when we need it most. Cutting back on redtape and reducing many taxes will help many a sole trader or person starting up a small business. One could argue that indeed our welfare state has not helped the lives of those most in need of it, and infact has had the opposite effect: We have a culture and generation here in the UK which allows many young people to not even think ahead with the aim of improving themselves, but instead are able to choose a life of living off of welfare through cracks in the system. This does nothing but damage to societyand future generations. This doesn't bode well for younger generations from disadvantged backgrounds and totally hinders the concept of social mobility. I think that the NHS and JSA for example can be very benefcial (I wouldn't advocate aboloshing them) however, as mentioned, they are easily open to abuse and such abuse does drive up the need for higher taxation.
It doesn't help that those within the Libertarian movement cannot agree on the definition or parameters of Libertarianism. My personal feelings towards the movement is that it could potentially damage the very idea of society. Notions such as voluntarily funded Government, for example, would make it very difficult for social projects such as infrastructure initiatives or improvements to get off the ground and I can envisage such an attitude resulting in personal wealth governing individual freedoms if nearly everything is left to private or corporate funding, which is certainly less preferable to the society we live in today. It is too much like that as it is.
As mentioned above, i do feel that modern ideologies have indeed failed society as a whole with a huge welfare state and the breakdown of society and traditional family values etc. I am unsure as to what exactly you mean by "voluntary funded" government. The idea of Libertarianism is that we DO have government, however it is to ensure that government is kept as small as is possible and doesn't intrude so much into our personal everyday lives as we see it does today. This doesn't mean I am advocating for an anarchic state. As with any ideology you will always have different defintions and factions within. The key to this all is that you have a ideology in place, you also have to adapt sensibly to current changes. This is why, over the years, both the Conservatives and Labour (Here in the Uk) did indeed change tactics over the years rather than sticking to their hardline ideologies, over time. So whilst I am not advocating so much a totally libertarian society, I do feel there is scope for this in both as a political and personal choice.
If I am honest, I believe those people who subscribe to this movement need to think long and hard about long-term social consequences.
I honestly believe that if we can get people to take power back over their own lives, re-introduce the concept of personal responsiblity to themselves and others, we can free people from the over burdening shackles of the state, make it easy for those who wish to prospure, then this will indeed have positive long lasting social effects. Your post was intelligent and I relish the chance for good discussion, something so hard to come by on the 'net these days.
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The_Fool:
jlw44:
audi:
I made the observation that Romney is a sociopath months ago. The shameless, sometimes same-day flip-flops, combined with his attacking the gay kid in high school and cutting his hair, plus Romney causing his blind teacher to walk into a door, I am convinced that Mitt Romney is incapable of feeling guilt.
Please don't forget the dog strapped to the top of a car for a 12 hour ride. Any person who can do that, doesn't have a right to speak for anyone.
It's a good thing he didn't eat the dog *Like President Obama did .... as written in his book
That happened when he was a child living in a country where that was an accepted practice. He did what his mother or family told him to do. He didn't do this as an adult and father as you well know. There is no comparison. Not to mention there were 2 adults who allowed this event to occur.
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A voice of reason.