Paul on John's death
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Eeee Cor Blimey:
Inspector Sands:
Then again, I also read that the first they heard of it was when Linda did the school run, and one of the mums told her.
No i'd always heard that Paul was alone when he got the call because linda was out taking the kids to school, and when she walked back in Paul was white and she immediately knew just by looking at him something massive had happened.. then he told her.
Correct.
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As for all the rumours and theories surrounding John's death and possible John/Paul and/or Beatles reunions there is a favourite lyric of mine from Simon & Garfunkel's The Boxer that comes to mind: "Still, a man hears what he wants to hear And disregards the rest" - Paul Simon It is so true. People will always have beliefs and opinions and no matter what anyone else says they will not change their mind. It is true because they want it to be true. It is human nature.
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I wish Paul was like me. An opportunity to punch, fight, flail or cry his eyes out. Alas.
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moptops:
I wish Paul was like me. An opportunity to punch, fight, flail or cry his eyes out. Alas.
I have a feeling he did do that--in private.
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I do remember Ringo was recording (What became Stop and Smell..) He said John was due in the Studio Jan 81 to help with that record , so maybe everyone would have been there anyway..
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My view on this is the following:
First of all Richard Skinner is very reliable and trustworthy and I don't think he would intentionally lie.
Filling in the gaps...I would imagine that Richard Skinner thought he has Paul's home number, but in fact, it was his private work number he'd been given ("Here you are Richard, this is my personal number") - i.e. it would've been his personal manager's private number. He rang it and spoke to his manager. Paul's manager then got through to Paul - once he plugged his home phone in - and this was when Linda was taking the kids to school. This makes all the lines join the dots.
Paul then called Skinner at Radio One and had an emotional chat. If there was talk about a reunion, I would imagine it was something about him and John were possibly going to work with Ringo in January, and there are just some blurred lines in recollection, and perhaps Ringo has intended on working with John in December as some point. I think Paul and Ringo were communicating quite a bit around then, so they would've been quite aware of each others' intended activity.
Paul called Whistle Test later that evening too (a BBC TV prog.) but again did not want to be on air.
I think lots of things were mooted around that time, especially helping Ringo. We do know that John was planning on visiting the UK in 1981, so who knows what might've happened. Ringo would certainly have been the one person J&P would've come together for. Paul did keep quiet about things, and this is even shown in his Good Morning America interview a week or two before John's death, when he said as much about John (as in he has learned not to comment on the things John says). JL changed his mind all the time.
I am not sure how reliable Jack Douglas is, to be honest, as I don't know enough about him. This was the quote from Jack Douglas which could confirm the story which Skinner tells:
“He (John) and Paul planned to play on a Ringo album and that’s how they were planning to do it, and George (Harrison) had not come aboard yet”.
“George was already in a lot of hot water with John because of George releasing his autobiography and not really mentioning much of John in it. But I think they assumed that George would come along as soon as the thing got going.”
The album Ringo was about to record was going to be called “Can’t Fight Lightning“. Paul helped produce and record several songs and George also came on board. In New York City in November, Lennon gave Ringo the demos for “Nobody Told Me”. “Stepping Out” was another Lennon composition intended for Ringo to sing, as was “Life Begins at 40”. With Lennon producing, they set a date for 14 January 1981 to record the song(s).
Douglas also claims Lennon’s wife Yoko Ono actively blocked a Beatles reunion, saying “Let’s just put it this way – Yoko discouraged Paul coming around”.
“There was a writing session somewhere in the Dakota and there was one cancelled which John did not know about. He was told that Paul did not show. Paul was told that John was too busy to be working with him that day.”
The last para. seems very much unfounded in my view, although Paul was in NY for the Rockshow premiere in November but other than in Jan 1980, I don't think he was in the USA at any other time in 1980. It is possible that a Paul and John meeting to have talks could've been planned and cancelled though. As far as I am aware, the last time they spoke was on John's birthday 9 Oct '80.
I do think there are still many things which have not been told, sometimes people just never ask Paul! I am sure there are probably some more photos of John and Paul in the 70s taken by Linda which will one day see the light of day too.
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Hi Plastic Soul Man, good to see you here
"I do think there are still many things which have not been told, sometimes people just never ask Paul! I am sure there are probably some more photos of John and Paul in the 70s taken by Linda which will one day see the light of day too."
This seems very likely, because it's a sensitive subject and not likely to be put out for others to paw through... would like to see Linda's pictures too!
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Plastic Soul Man:
“There was a writing session somewhere in the Dakota and there was one cancelled which John did not know about. He was told that Paul did not show. Paul was told that John was too busy to be working with him that day.”
The last para. seems very much unfounded in my view, although Paul was in NY for the Rockshow premiere in November but other than in Jan 1980, I don't think he was in the USA at any other time in 1980.
From what I remember Paul didn't attend the NYC premier of Rockshow on 26th November. And the next day Paul was taking part in a satelite link-up from his Sussex farm to ABC TV Breakfast Show, Good Morning America. Paul was in NYC at the beginning of November though overseeing final editing of Rockshow. Paul has often mentioned speaking to John a lot on the phone but has never mentioned meeting him a month before he died. Paul did try and speak to John when he was in NYC for a few days in January but that was the occasion when Yoko intercepted Paul's call and wouldn't put him through. So its very unlikely John and Paul met on that occasion.
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Kestrel wrote:
Plastic Soul Man:
“There was a writing session somewhere in the Dakota and there was one cancelled which John did not know about. He was told that Paul did not show. Paul was told that John was too busy to be working with him that day.”
The last para. seems very much unfounded in my view, although Paul was in NY for the Rockshow premiere in November but other than in Jan 1980, I don't think he was in the USA at any other time in 1980.
From what I remember Paul didn't attend the NYC premier of Rockshow on 26th November. And the next day Paul was taking part in a satelite link-up from his Sussex farm to ABC TV Breakfast Show, Good Morning America. Paul was in NYC at the beginning of November though overseeing final editing of Rockshow. Paul has often mentioned speaking to John a lot on the phone but has never mentioned meeting him a month before he died. Paul did try and speak to John when he was in NYC for a few days in January but that was the occasion when Yoko intercepted Paul's call and wouldn't put him through. So its very unlikely John and Paul met on that occasion.
Hi Kestrel, yes, you're right about Rockshow, it was the editing he was in NY for. I don't believe they met, but do believe Paul tried to meet.
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Plastic Soul Man wrote:
Hi Kestrel, yes, you're right about Rockshow, it was the editing he was in NY for. I don't believe they met, but do believe Paul tried to meet.
I would have thought so, unless Paul new in advance that John was away. John did spend a lot of time out of the US in his final year, in South Africa for example and in Barbados. I think John was in NYC in early November though so I would be surprised if Paul didn't attempt to see him.
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love2travel wrote:
Hi Plastic Soul Man, good to see you here
"I do think there are still many things which have not been told, sometimes people just never ask Paul! I am sure there are probably some more photos of John and Paul in the 70s taken by Linda which will one day see the light of day too."
This seems very likely, because it's a sensitive subject and not likely to be put out for others to paw through... would like to see Linda's pictures too!
So glad to see you here too