POST ABBEY ROAD BEATLES ALBUM
-
I've never thought of Early 1970 as anti-Paul at all. After verses clearly addressing all 3 other Beatles, he ends with "I want to see all three." What's anti-Paul about that?
-
Ringo sings, "I wonder if he'll play with me," implying it may not be very likely. The song is called "Early 1970," at which time Paul threw Ringo out of his house for suggesting that Paul delay his solo album till after the Let It Be album. That was pretty momentous in their lives, so obviously Ringo is not very confident at that point that he and Paul will get together, which they didn't musically until 1973, while Ringo had already recorded with John and George by the end of 1970. So yes, "a dig at Paul" I think is fair to say, not that the song as a whole is "anti-Paul" (since Ringo is clearly willing to play with Paul again).
-
favoritething:
Ringo sings, "I wonder if he'll play with me," implying it may not be very likely. The song is called "Early 1970," at which time Paul threw Ringo out of his house for suggesting that Paul delay his solo album till after the Let It Be album. That was pretty momentous in their lives, so obviously Ringo is not very confident at that point that he and Paul will get together, which they didn't musically until 1973, while Ringo had already recorded with John and George by the end of 1970. So yes, "a dig at Paul" I think is fair to say, not that the song as a whole is "anti-Paul" (since Ringo is clearly willing to play with Paul again).
And clearly, when he comes to town, he wants to see all three. It's all right there in his lyrics.
-
Beatles4Ever&Ever:
dcshark:
I like this too. I'll have to burn a CD and see how it sounds. I've always wanted to do this, but have never gotten around to it. And if this record had been produced what single would they have released. Maybe I'm Amazed/Early 1970 ? or something else.
As you may have noticed, I was taken to task quite severely for including this song on the post album!! LOL So...be prepared. They will be looking for you too. I guess we can't have an anti Paul song from Ringo on a post Abbey Road issuance. It wouldn't do at all and just would not have come about...in the first place. (Actually it's highly doubtful that several of the songs here would have ever come about. And not with Linda on them or writing them with Paul, for sure. It was just a little exercise. Alas we won't ever know what they might have done.)
Actually I was thinking of putting 'Not Guilty' on the b-side instead. (And Paul plays an amazing bassline-a given I know-on it. I wonder what Paul was thinking when he heard this song the first time) Seriously, 'Wah-Wah' was written by Harrison when he quit the Beatles during the Get Back sessions. And it was anti-Paul in a veiled sort of way.
-
Beatles4Ever&Ever:
favoritething:
Ringo sings, "I wonder if he'll play with me," implying it may not be very likely. The song is called "Early 1970," at which time Paul threw Ringo out of his house for suggesting that Paul delay his solo album till after the Let It Be album. That was pretty momentous in their lives, so obviously Ringo is not very confident at that point that he and Paul will get together, which they didn't musically until 1973, while Ringo had already recorded with John and George by the end of 1970. So yes, "a dig at Paul" I think is fair to say, not that the song as a whole is "anti-Paul" (since Ringo is clearly willing to play with Paul again).
And clearly, when he comes to town, he wants to see all three. It's all right there in his lyrics.
He wants to see all three, including Paul, but he's not sure if Paul wants to see him. This is what I'm saying with "a dig," not to say "I hate you, Paul," but rather "Hey, remember that disagreement we had where you slammed the door in my face? Well, I forgive you, but I'm not sure if you've forgiven me, so what do you say?"
-
dcshark:
Beatles4Ever&Ever:
dcshark:
I like this too. I'll have to burn a CD and see how it sounds. I've always wanted to do this, but have never gotten around to it. And if this record had been produced what single would they have released. Maybe I'm Amazed/Early 1970 ? or something else.
As you may have noticed, I was taken to task quite severely for including this song on the post album!! LOL So...be prepared. They will be looking for you too. I guess we can't have an anti Paul song from Ringo on a post Abbey Road issuance. It wouldn't do at all and just would not have come about...in the first place. (Actually it's highly doubtful that several of the songs here would have ever come about. And not with Linda on them or writing them with Paul, for sure. It was just a little exercise. Alas we won't ever know what they might have done.)
Actually I was thinking of putting 'Not Guilty' on the b-side instead. (And Paul plays an amazing bassline-a given I know-on it. I wonder what Paul was thinking when he heard this song the first time) Seriously, 'Wah-Wah' was written by Harrison when he quit the Beatles during the Get Back sessions. And it was anti-Paul in a veiled sort of way.
Yeah! Thanks for the reminder. I had sort of (momentarily) forgotten about "Not Guilty," which I really like....the Beatles version with Paul's great bass line...and the stinging lead guitar. By the time George got around to formally recording it for an album (1979's "George Harrison"), it sounded very watered-down and bland. It was as if George may have forgotten why he wrote the song in the first place. That one would fit on this Post Album. And may yet be an addition to mine!!! And yes, I do remember people saying how "Wah-Wah" was anti Paul....."being there at the right time....I must keep myself free. " I think there probably/likely were many songs one hid "digs" at one or more of the others throughout the time they were together....but we didn't know...and the person the "dig" was directed at likely didn't know or realize either. It's human nature. I mean, didn't John throw in a dig when he didn't let Paul sing on "Come Together"? Paul wanted to...but went ahead, despite his disappointment, and contributed that truly great bass line anyway. And who knows, maybe Paul...even though he likes that kind of music...wrote and recorded "Honey Pie" just 'cause he knew John would detest such a ditty and have to have his name on it as a co-writer nevertheless!! LOL So.....I guess I don't get this carping about digs here and there, and so this-or-that-song (in this case Early 1970) -would-never-have made-it-on-a-post-Abbey Road-Beatles-album argument. (We've all done little digs at friends and continued on with the friendship and what we were doing together to maintain that relationship anyway. The Beatles would have been no different.) Sorry about going on and on about this! Talk about beating a dead horse....actually a phrase/expression that I really detest! Thanks for "keeping my back" on all this!
-
favoritething:
Beatles4Ever&Ever:
favoritething:
Ringo sings, "I wonder if he'll play with me," implying it may not be very likely. The song is called "Early 1970," at which time Paul threw Ringo out of his house for suggesting that Paul delay his solo album till after the Let It Be album. That was pretty momentous in their lives, so obviously Ringo is not very confident at that point that he and Paul will get together, which they didn't musically until 1973, while Ringo had already recorded with John and George by the end of 1970. So yes, "a dig at Paul" I think is fair to say, not that the song as a whole is "anti-Paul" (since Ringo is clearly willing to play with Paul again).
And clearly, when he comes to town, he wants to see all three. It's all right there in his lyrics.
He wants to see all three, including Paul, but he's not sure if Paul wants to see him. This is what I'm saying with "a dig," not to say "I hate you, Paul," but rather "Hey, remember that disagreement we had where you slammed the door in my face? Well, I forgive you, but I'm not sure if you've forgiven me, so what do you say?"
Yeah, I know. I didn't mean to come off as "harping" about your comment. I got a bit defensive when I "placed" it on the album....and then was quickly told.....how it would never have made it. I thought, damn, I'm liking this being in that spot....a nice little jaunty Ringo tune....and then being told why it just would never have happened!!!
-
Beatles4Ever&Ever:
favoritething:
Beatles4Ever&Ever:
favoritething:
Ringo sings, "I wonder if he'll play with me," implying it may not be very likely. The song is called "Early 1970," at which time Paul threw Ringo out of his house for suggesting that Paul delay his solo album till after the Let It Be album. That was pretty momentous in their lives, so obviously Ringo is not very confident at that point that he and Paul will get together, which they didn't musically until 1973, while Ringo had already recorded with John and George by the end of 1970. So yes, "a dig at Paul" I think is fair to say, not that the song as a whole is "anti-Paul" (since Ringo is clearly willing to play with Paul again).
And clearly, when he comes to town, he wants to see all three. It's all right there in his lyrics.
He wants to see all three, including Paul, but he's not sure if Paul wants to see him. This is what I'm saying with "a dig," not to say "I hate you, Paul," but rather "Hey, remember that disagreement we had where you slammed the door in my face? Well, I forgive you, but I'm not sure if you've forgiven me, so what do you say?"
Yeah, I know. I didn't mean to come off as "harping" about your comment. I got a bit defensive when I "placed" it on the album....and then was quickly told.....how it would never have made it. I thought, damn, I'm liking this being in that spot....a nice little jaunty Ringo tune....and then being told why it just would never have happened!!!
No, don't worry at all! We all have the right to compile our fantasy albums however we want! A friend of mine compiled a setlist for an imaginary concert that the Beatles might have done if they had reunited later in the '70s, but he limited it only to songs that each of them are known to have done live in their solo careers (or while they were together originally). I thought that was a bit extreme, but still a cool and original idea!
-
Beatles4Ever&Ever:
dcshark:
Beatles4Ever&Ever:
dcshark:
I like this too. I'll have to burn a CD and see how it sounds. I've always wanted to do this, but have never gotten around to it. And if this record had been produced what single would they have released. Maybe I'm Amazed/Early 1970 ? or something else.
As you may have noticed, I was taken to task quite severely for including this song on the post album!! LOL So...be prepared. They will be looking for you too. I guess we can't have an anti Paul song from Ringo on a post Abbey Road issuance. It wouldn't do at all and just would not have come about...in the first place. (Actually it's highly doubtful that several of the songs here would have ever come about. And not with Linda on them or writing them with Paul, for sure. It was just a little exercise. Alas we won't ever know what they might have done.)
Actually I was thinking of putting 'Not Guilty' on the b-side instead. (And Paul plays an amazing bassline-a given I know-on it. I wonder what Paul was thinking when he heard this song the first time) Seriously, 'Wah-Wah' was written by Harrison when he quit the Beatles during the Get Back sessions. And it was anti-Paul in a veiled sort of way.
Yeah! Thanks for the reminder. I had sort of (momentarily) forgotten about "Not Guilty," which I really like....the Beatles version with Paul's great bass line...and the stinging lead guitar. By the time George got around to formally recording it for an album (1979's "George Harrison"), it sounded very watered-down and bland. It was as if George may have forgotten why he wrote the song in the first place. That one would fit on this Post Album. And may yet be an addition to mine!!! And yes, I do remember people saying how "Wah-Wah" was anti Paul....."being there at the right time....I must keep myself free. " I think there probably/likely were many songs one hid "digs" at one or more of the others throughout the time they were together....but we didn't know...and the person the "dig" was directed at likely didn't know or realize either. It's human nature. I mean, didn't John throw in a dig when he didn't let Paul sing on "Come Together"? Paul wanted to...but went ahead, despite his disappointment, and contributed that truly great bass line anyway. And who knows, maybe Paul...even though he likes that kind of music...wrote and recorded "Honey Pie" just 'cause he knew John would detest such a ditty and have to have his name on it as a co-writer nevertheless!! LOL So.....I guess I don't get this carping about digs here and there, and so this-or-that-song (in this case Early 1970) -would-never-have made-it-on-a-post-Abbey Road-Beatles-album argument. (We've all done little digs at friends and continued on with the friendship and what we were doing together to maintain that relationship anyway. The Beatles would have been no different.) Sorry about going on and on about this! Talk about beating a dead horse....actually a phrase/expression that I really detest! Thanks for "keeping my back" on all this!
George wrote 3 similar tunes around this time: Savoy Truffle Not Guilty Sour Milk Sea Imo, he kept the wrong one for The Beatles. To my ears anyway, Sour Milk Sea simply rocks & sounds better as a group song. The band should have recorded it. Beatles - Sour Milk Sea:
-
The Beatles' recordings were an organic process which developed and grew on each album, and I believe if they had done another that it would have sounded nothing like the solo records that each one put out on their own. Beatles' songs had the input of all four, even if written by John and Paul, George, or Ringo separately, they all had a "group" sound as they were being recorded in the studio.
-
beatlesfanrandy:
The Beatles' recordings were an organic process which developed and grew on each album, and I believe if they had done another that it would have sounded nothing like the solo records that each one put out on their own. Beatles' songs had the input of all four, even if written by John and Paul, George, or Ringo separately, they all had a "group" sound as they were being recorded in the studio.
Yeah, especially the White Album.