Value of unsealed butcher album????
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Hopefully someone can answer this quickly since I'm still in the vicinity of the said used record shop...they had what I believe is the butcher cover version of yesterday and today used for $35 - used. I believe it's the butcher version because the regular cover seemed to be a sheet pasted on top of the sleeve (they had a second copy that was readily apparent that the cover was manufactured with the common 'trunk' version. Does a used copy still hold value and approx how much? Worth my while going back? Can't give condition of vinyl since the store keeper keeps all records and CDs behind the counter and just displays the sleeves
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I'd say if it is that version then that would be a great deal--can't really go wrong for $35! I'm not an expert on how to recognize that version...try Googling it Have him show you the condition of the vinyl before you buy. Good luck and let us know.
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It totally depends on whether or not is is a true "second state" cover and you can tell the Butcher Cover in underneath. The condition of the vinyl is also important, and stereo copies are worth more than mono. Ask the store keeper if you can see the record. If he won't let you I'd pass, because it sounds fishy, unless you just want the cover itself. $35.00 seems very low, and I'm sure he knows how significant a find that is.
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Thanks a lot for the help - I actually just flat out asked the guy and luckily he seemed to give an honest answer (no, the copy I was looking at is not a butcher version)...the he said the tell tale sign with the peel off version, you can still see the v shape from the collar of the shirt Ringo is wearing under the white coat through the newer pasted on cover...he then basically said everything Beatlesfanrandy said except that this is one case where the condition of the vinyl is insignificant...basically all about the sleeve/cover.. So, I guess it was a false alarm...and it sounds like this guy wouldve been all over it had it actually been a butcher cover (sorry guys...LOL)
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Btw, I found a pretty cool story regarding the background of the butcher cover and it turns out to be more than the boys going through this one photo shoot that eventually got axed in favor of the more common 'trunk' version; Link is from 'The Beatles Rarity' site http://www.thebeatlesrarity.com/2011/01/30/collectors-corner-yesterday-and-today-and-the-infamous-butcher-cover/ And here's one of the more interesting paragraphs from that article The Butcher Cover: In March of 1966, photographer Robert Whitaker had the Beatles in the studio for a conceptual art piece entitled A Somnambulant Adventure. The series of photos were to symbolize philosophical messages and included The Beatles linked to a woman by a string of sausages representing an umbilical cord (symbolizing the birth of The Beatles), George hammering nails into John?s head (symbolizing that The Beatles are flesh and blood like everyone else), and John holding an open box with the number 2,000,00 written on it?s bottom flap, placed around Ringo?s head (to symbolize that Ringo is just one of 2,000,000 members of the human race). For one part of the shoot, Whitaker took a series of pictures of the group dressed in butcher smocks and draped with pieces of bloody meat and body parts from plastic baby dolls. There were cigarette burns on the dolls along with toy eyeballs and even a pair of false teeth lying around. The group played along, as they were tired of the usual photo shoots and the concept was compatible with their own sort of dark humor. In fact, Beatles publicist Tony Barrow recalls that John Lennon was very enthusiastic about the session, as it?s bizarre appeal made it interestingly different than what they were used to. It wasn?t originally intended for use as an album cover, however the Beatles were happy enough with the session?s photos that they submitted some for their promotional materials, including an advertisement in Britain for the ?Paperback Writer? single. Another photo from the session was used for the cover of the June 11, 1966 edition of the British music magazine Disc.
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Also, per the site 'how stuff works', the butcher cover version of yesterday and today is ranked the third rarest pop/rock record...and the two that are in front of it are also Beatles related; Acetate disk from the Quarrymen in 1958 and the copy of John Lennon's Double Fantasy that he autographed for MDC (must be some mixed feelings for who ever owns that one)
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In the early 70s my uncle gave me all his Beatle LPs. I read about the butcher cover and sure enough, on my copy of Yesterday and Today given to me, you could see Ringo's black t-shirt! I steamed the cover off, pretty lousy job, I was all of about ten years old, and had one of those. Then I later traded it for a comic book or something. That SUCK!!
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RMartinez:
In the early 70s my uncle gave me all his Beatle LPs. I read about the butcher cover and sure enough, on my copy of Yesterday and Today given to me, you could see Ringo's black t-shirt! I steamed the cover off, pretty lousy job, I was all of about ten years old, and had one of those. Then I later traded it for a comic book or something. That SUCK!!
YOUCH!!! But I'm betting a lot of us have something we wish we never got rid of for similar reasons
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rich n:
RMartinez:
In the early 70s my uncle gave me all his Beatle LPs. I read about the butcher cover and sure enough, on my copy of Yesterday and Today given to me, you could see Ringo's black t-shirt! I steamed the cover off, pretty lousy job, I was all of about ten years old, and had one of those. Then I later traded it for a comic book or something. That SUCK!!
YOUCH!!! But I'm betting a lot of us have something we wish we never got rid of for similar reasons
Yeah, no regrets! I was a kid. Today things called "collectors items" "vintage" and "antique" were called "used" in the 70s!
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RMartinez:
rich n:
RMartinez:
In the early 70s my uncle gave me all his Beatle LPs. I read about the butcher cover and sure enough, on my copy of Yesterday and Today given to me, you could see Ringo's black t-shirt! I steamed the cover off, pretty lousy job, I was all of about ten years old, and had one of those. Then I later traded it for a comic book or something. That SUCK!!
YOUCH!!! But I'm betting a lot of us have something we wish we never got rid of for similar reasons
Yeah, no regrets! I was a kid. Today things called "collectors items" "vintage" and "antique" were called "used" in the 70s!
That's absolutely correct
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rich n:
Btw, I found a pretty cool story regarding the background of the butcher cover and it turns out to be more than the boys going through this one photo shoot that eventually got axed in favor of the more common 'trunk' version; Link is from 'The Beatles Rarity' site http://www.thebeatlesrarity.com/2011/01/30/collectors-corner-yesterday-and-today-and-the-infamous-butcher-cover/ And here's one of the more interesting paragraphs from that article The Butcher Cover: In March of 1966, photographer Robert Whitaker had the Beatles in the studio for a conceptual art piece entitled A Somnambulant Adventure. The series of photos were to symbolize philosophical messages and included The Beatles linked to a woman by a string of sausages representing an umbilical cord (symbolizing the birth of The Beatles), George hammering nails into John?s head (symbolizing that The Beatles are flesh and blood like everyone else), and John holding an open box with the number 2,000,00 written on it?s bottom flap, placed around Ringo?s head (to symbolize that Ringo is just one of 2,000,000 members of the human race). For one part of the shoot, Whitaker took a series of pictures of the group dressed in butcher smocks and draped with pieces of bloody meat and body parts from plastic baby dolls. There were cigarette burns on the dolls along with toy eyeballs and even a pair of false teeth lying around. The group played along, as they were tired of the usual photo shoots and the concept was compatible with their own sort of dark humor. In fact, Beatles publicist Tony Barrow recalls that John Lennon was very enthusiastic about the session, as it?s bizarre appeal made it interestingly different than what they were used to. It wasn?t originally intended for use as an album cover, however the Beatles were happy enough with the session?s photos that they submitted some for their promotional materials, including an advertisement in Britain for the ?Paperback Writer? single. Another photo from the session was used for the cover of the June 11, 1966 edition of the British music magazine Disc.
I think that author was a tad off--even in 1965 there were more than 2,000,000 people in the human race! Try 2 BILLION! ETA: Anybody notice that in the Butcher Cover photo Paul still has the chipped tooth? -
every time i see yesterday and today used at swapmeets or indie stores,i always looks for ringos v neck in the far right underneith so far no luck (for the store owner or something that couldnt tell etc.) the cheapest ive seen it for a peeled copy was $200 dollars i only own bootleg copys and all some day for the real deal
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I have a 3rd state Butcher cover, and it's really in very good nick. It has only a tiny white mark on Paul's collar, hardly noticeable, and yet, I still paid hundreds for it!
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RMartinez:
In the early 70s my uncle gave me all his Beatle LPs. I read about the butcher cover and sure enough, on my copy of Yesterday and Today given to me, you could see Ringo's black t-shirt! I steamed the cover off, pretty lousy job, I was all of about ten years old, and had one of those. Then I later traded it for a comic book or something. That SUCK!!
WOW! Great story!
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Nancy R:
rich n:
Btw, I found a pretty cool story regarding the background of the butcher cover and it turns out to be more than the boys going through this one photo shoot that eventually got axed in favor of the more common 'trunk' version; Link is from 'The Beatles Rarity' site http://www.thebeatlesrarity.com/2011/01/30/collectors-corner-yesterday-and-today-and-the-infamous-butcher-cover/ And here's one of the more interesting paragraphs from that article The Butcher Cover: In March of 1966, photographer Robert Whitaker had the Beatles in the studio for a conceptual art piece entitled A Somnambulant Adventure. The series of photos were to symbolize philosophical messages and included The Beatles linked to a woman by a string of sausages representing an umbilical cord (symbolizing the birth of The Beatles), George hammering nails into John?s head (symbolizing that The Beatles are flesh and blood like everyone else), and John holding an open box with the number 2,000,00 written on it?s bottom flap, placed around Ringo?s head (to symbolize that Ringo is just one of 2,000,000 members of the human race). For one part of the shoot, Whitaker took a series of pictures of the group dressed in butcher smocks and draped with pieces of bloody meat and body parts from plastic baby dolls. There were cigarette burns on the dolls along with toy eyeballs and even a pair of false teeth lying around. The group played along, as they were tired of the usual photo shoots and the concept was compatible with their own sort of dark humor. In fact, Beatles publicist Tony Barrow recalls that John Lennon was very enthusiastic about the session, as it?s bizarre appeal made it interestingly different than what they were used to. It wasn?t originally intended for use as an album cover, however the Beatles were happy enough with the session?s photos that they submitted some for their promotional materials, including an advertisement in Britain for the ?Paperback Writer? single. Another photo from the session was used for the cover of the June 11, 1966 edition of the British music magazine Disc.
I think that author was a tad off--even in 1965 there were more than 2,000,000 people in the human race! Try 2 BILLION!I know, really! 2 million doesn't even account for the number of people in London or New York at the time!
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rich n:
Also, per the site 'how stuff works', the butcher cover version of yesterday and today is ranked the third rarest pop/rock record...and the two that are in front of it are also Beatles related; Acetate disk from the Quarrymen in 1958 and the copy of John Lennon's Double Fantasy that he autographed for MDC (must be some mixed feelings for who ever owns that one)
I saw in Letters of Note a letter by MDC to some record dealer trying to sell it. So I think he might still have it or did for a very long time
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Kathryn O:
rich n:
Also, per the site 'how stuff works', the butcher cover version of yesterday and today is ranked the third rarest pop/rock record...and the two that are in front of it are also Beatles related; Acetate disk from the Quarrymen in 1958 and the copy of John Lennon's Double Fantasy that he autographed for MDC (must be some mixed feelings for who ever owns that one)
I saw in Letters of Note a letter by MDC to some record dealer trying to sell it. So I think he might still have it or did for a very long time
One of the cops picked it up and gave it to somebody who kept it under their bed for 20 years and then sold it. (That's what I read anyway) After minimal research: http://ultimateclassicrock.com/john-lennon-mark-chapman-album-auction/
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rich n:
Hopefully someone can answer this quickly since I'm still in the vicinity of the said used record shop...they had what I believe is the butcher cover version of yesterday and today used for $35 - used. I believe it's the butcher version because the regular cover seemed to be a sheet pasted on top of the sleeve (they had a second copy that was readily apparent that the cover was manufactured with the common 'trunk' version. Does a used copy still hold value and approx how much? Worth my while going back? Can't give condition of vinyl since the store keeper keeps all records and CDs behind the counter and just displays the sleeves
$35.00!!!!!!!!!!!!! If I knew who was selling it, I would buy it! I've seen the butcher cover sold on eBay for as much as $1000.00. Whoever is selling the butcher cover for $35.00, its not real. There's NOBODY that is going to sell the real authentic butcher cover for $35.00. If it is truly authentic and you purchase it, you just made the deal of a lifetime.
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jl4761:
rich n:
Hopefully someone can answer this quickly since I'm still in the vicinity of the said used record shop...they had what I believe is the butcher cover version of yesterday and today used for $35 - used. I believe it's the butcher version because the regular cover seemed to be a sheet pasted on top of the sleeve (they had a second copy that was readily apparent that the cover was manufactured with the common 'trunk' version. Does a used copy still hold value and approx how much? Worth my while going back? Can't give condition of vinyl since the store keeper keeps all records and CDs behind the counter and just displays the sleeves
$35.00!!!!!!!!!!!!! If I knew who was selling it, I would buy it! I've seen the butcher cover sold on eBay for as much as $1000.00. Whoever is selling the butcher cover for $35.00, its not real. There's NOBODY that is going to sell the real authentic butcher cover for $35.00. If it is truly authentic and you purchase it, you just made the deal of a lifetime.
You missed Rich's post on the previous page: (it was a false alarm) Thanks a lot for the help - I actually just flat out asked the guy and luckily he seemed to give an honest answer (no, the copy I was looking at is not a butcher version)...the he said the tell tale sign with the peel off version, you can still see the v shape from the collar of the shirt Ringo is wearing under the white coat through the newer pasted on cover...he then basically said everything Beatlesfanrandy said except that this is one case where the condition of the vinyl is insignificant...basically all about the sleeve/cover.. So, I guess it was a false alarm...and it sounds like this guy wouldve been all over it had it actually been a butcher cover (sorry guys...LOL)
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Nancy R:
jl4761:
rich n:
Hopefully someone can answer this quickly since I'm still in the vicinity of the said used record shop...they had what I believe is the butcher cover version of yesterday and today used for $35 - used. I believe it's the butcher version because the regular cover seemed to be a sheet pasted on top of the sleeve (they had a second copy that was readily apparent that the cover was manufactured with the common 'trunk' version. Does a used copy still hold value and approx how much? Worth my while going back? Can't give condition of vinyl since the store keeper keeps all records and CDs behind the counter and just displays the sleeves
$35.00!!!!!!!!!!!!! If I knew who was selling it, I would buy it! I've seen the butcher cover sold on eBay for as much as $1000.00. Whoever is selling the butcher cover for $35.00, its not real. There's NOBODY that is going to sell the real authentic butcher cover for $35.00. If it is truly authentic and you purchase it, you just made the deal of a lifetime.
You missed Rich's post on the previous page: (it was a false alarm) Thanks a lot for the help - I actually just flat out asked the guy and luckily he seemed to give an honest answer (no, the copy I was looking at is not a butcher version)...the he said the tell tale sign with the peel off version, you can still see the v shape from the collar of the shirt Ringo is wearing under the white coat through the newer pasted on cover...he then basically said everything Beatlesfanrandy said except that this is one case where the condition of the vinyl is insignificant...basically all about the sleeve/cover.. So, I guess it was a false alarm...and it sounds like this guy wouldve been all over it had it actually been a butcher cover (sorry guys...LOL)
Thanks NancyR! I would have been all over that! Sorry I missed Rich's post on the previous page.
