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      admin last edited by

      I know this has been seen somewhere, but I still found it interesting. I hope you do too. http://www.beatlefan.net/b208394-lennon-mccartney-who-wrote-what.html

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        RMartinez:

        I know this has been seen somewhere, but I still found it interesting. I hope you do too. http://www.beatlefan.net/b208394-lennon-mccartney-who-wrote-what.html

        Interesting, thanks for sharing. Though, now Paul contends he wrote some of Kite as well (which is why he introduced it on the Out There tour).

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          LiveForever:

          RMartinez:

          I know this has been seen somewhere, but I still found it interesting. I hope you do too. http://www.beatlefan.net/b208394-lennon-mccartney-who-wrote-what.html

          Interesting, thanks for sharing. Though, now Paul contends he wrote some of Kite as well (which is why he introduced it on the Out There tour).

          I think both Paul and John had some memory lapses at times, like all humans. John even says he's not sure about some songs. What I struggle with is Paul has NEVER claimed to have written part of Mr. Kite until 2014. Doesn't mean he didn't, but it seems John's memory in 1973 would be more clear than Paul in 2014. Or maybe not. John claimed in that interview to have written 70% of the lyrics of Eleanor Rigby, which I find surprising.

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            this wasa interesting good reads thanx for sharing

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              Speaking of Paul's "memory," he said on Twitter that he had the Walrus head on, when clearly it is the Hippo head he wore, and John was the Walrus!!

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                Maybe that's why Paul's memory is "almost full." Funny how John refers to Peter and Gordon as Peter and Garfunkel. Thanks for posting this interesting read!

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                  The consensus is that whoever sang the lead vocal was the main songwriter. This is certainly clear in the final third of their albums. It's not as clear in the early and middle years, when John and Paul would each start a song and they would get together for a session and they would help each other finish. There was a lot more collaboration in those days and they truly were Lennon/McCartney songs.

                  Wings Over America - Cow Palace SF - June 1976. New World Tour - Anaheim Stadium - 4/17/93. Driving USA - Oakland Arena - 4/1/2002. US Tour - HP Pavilion - San Jose - 11/08/05. An Evening with Paul McCartney - The Joint at Hard Rock - Las Vegas - 4/19/09. Up & Coming Tour - Hollywood Bowl - 3/31/10. Walk of Fame Star Presentation - Hollywood - Feb. 2012. CBS-TV taping - The Night That Changed America (with Ringo!)  - L.A. Convention Center - Jan. 2014. Out There Tour -Dodger Stadium - Los Angeles - Aug. '14 and Petco Park - San Diego - Sept. '14. Petco Park - San Diego - June 2019.  Got Back Tour - SoFi Stadium - Los Angeles - May 2022

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                    beatlesfanrandy:

                    The consensus is that whoever sang the lead vocal was the main songwriter. This is certainly clear in the final third of their albums. It's not as clear in the early and middle years, when John and Paul would each start a song and they would get together for a session and they would help each other finish. There was a lot more collaboration in those days and they truly were Lennon/McCartney songs.

                    The article I posted pretty much reveals what you said. Still, earlier tunes like Please Please Me and A Hard Days Night and Help were all John. And songs like I'm Down and Yesterday were all Paul. But yes, later on, it became more about a single songwriter.

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                      LiveForever:

                      RMartinez:

                      I know this has been seen somewhere, but I still found it interesting. I hope you do too. http://www.beatlefan.net/b208394-lennon-mccartney-who-wrote-what.html

                      Interesting, thanks for sharing. Though, now Paul contends he wrote some of Kite as well (which is why he introduced it on the Out There tour).

                      I thought John took the lyrics word-for-word (or paraphrased) from a poster from the 1800's!! Did Paul mean he helped write the music?

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                        JoeySmith:

                        LiveForever:

                        RMartinez:

                        I know this has been seen somewhere, but I still found it interesting. I hope you do too. http://www.beatlefan.net/b208394-lennon-mccartney-who-wrote-what.html

                        Interesting, thanks for sharing. Though, now Paul contends he wrote some of Kite as well (which is why he introduced it on the Out There tour).

                        I thought John took the lyrics word-for-word (or paraphrased) from a poster from the 1800's!! Did Paul mean he helped write the music?

                        I think John wrote the whole thing. And yes, from the interview above, he got the words from and old carnival poster. The song is a mosaic of sounds, and I have read George Martin was very involved in creating the swirling, dream like soundscape with tape loops and such.

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                          John wrote Mr. Kite. Here is what he said about it: BEING FOR THE BENEFIT OF MR. KITE: Me. I got some of the words off an old circus poster. I have it in the billiard room. The story that Henry the Horse meant heroin was rubbish. John was pretty clear when they collaborated. Had Paul written ANY part of the song, he would have said so. Check out what he said about other songs from that era: A DAY IN THE LIFE: Both of us. I wrote the bit up to "woke up fell out of bed" and I think Paul wrote "I'd love to turn you on." I got the idea from a news item in the British Daily Mail about 4000 holes in Blackburn. BABY YOU'RE A RICH MAN: Both of us. In fact we just stuck two songs together for this one -- same as "A Day In The Life."

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                            Yes, I thought that was interesting about "Baby, You're A Rich Man." Sure makes sense. Thanks for the link, RM!

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                              Here is what Paul had to say fairly recently in Rolling Stone on Kite: What made you want to revisit those particular songs? Well, for instance, "Mr. Kite" is such a crazy, oddball song that I thought it would freshen up the set. Plus the fact that I'd never done it. None of us in the Beatles ever did that song [in concert]. And I have great memories of writing it with John. I read, occasionally, people say, "Oh, John wrote that one." I say, "Wait a minute, what was that afternoon I spent with him, then, looking at this poster?" He happened to have a poster in his living room at home. I was out at his house, and we just got this idea, because the poster said "Being for the Benefit of Mr Kite" ? and then we put in, you know, "there will be a show tonight," and then it was like, "of course," then it had "Henry the Horse dances the waltz." You know, whatever. "The Hendersons, Pablo Fanques, somersets?" We said, "What was 'somersets'? It must have been an old-fashioned way of saying somersaults." The song just wrote itself. So, yeah, I was happy to kind of reclaim it as partially mine. But like I said, you've got to look what you're doing when you play that one. Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/q-a-paul-mccartney-looks-back-on-his-latest-magical-mystery-tour-20130725#ixzz3Gnw0zMRi

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                                LiveForever:

                                Here is what Paul had to say fairly recently in Rolling Stone on Kite: What made you want to revisit those particular songs? Well, for instance, "Mr. Kite" is such a crazy, oddball song that I thought it would freshen up the set. Plus the fact that I'd never done it. None of us in the Beatles ever did that song [in concert]. And I have great memories of writing it with John. I read, occasionally, people say, "Oh, John wrote that one." I say, "Wait a minute, what was that afternoon I spent with him, then, looking at this poster?" He happened to have a poster in his living room at home. I was out at his house, and we just got this idea, because the poster said "Being for the Benefit of Mr Kite" ? and then we put in, you know, "there will be a show tonight," and then it was like, "of course," then it had "Henry the Horse dances the waltz." You know, whatever. "The Hendersons, Pablo Fanques, somersets?" We said, "What was 'somersets'? It must have been an old-fashioned way of saying somersaults." The song just wrote itself. So, yeah, I was happy to kind of reclaim it as partially mine. But like I said, you've got to look what you're doing when you play that one. Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/q-a-paul-mccartney-looks-back-on-his-latest-magical-mystery-tour-20130725#ixzz3Gnw0zMRi

                                Maybe Paul should set the record straight once and for all. John did a few interviews over the years when he said who wrote what, and Paul never chimed in to contradict him, except on a couple of occasions. Why didn't he say back in 1973, "I helped write Mr. Kite." And it's not "people" saying John wrote it, John Lennon himself said he wrote it. I tend to favor John's take on it, since Paul is, all of a sudden, "re-claiming" songs fifty years later. John isn't here to say, "Hold on." I do know Paul is a bit obsessed with his legacy, and so is starting to say things he never said in fifty years of interviews. Getting Better is a Paul tune mostly, but John said from the get go he wrote a verse or so. Some of the words. What's next? Paul co-wrote I Am The Walrus because he was in the room when John brought it around? If that's the case, then maybe John helped write Yesterday for the same reason. But he never claimed that. I think George Martin co-wrote Mr. Kite as much as Paul did.

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                                  A horrible Beatle's tune, imo. If I was Paul, I wouldn't "claim" it even if I had a hand in writing it

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                                    JoeySmith:

                                    A horrible Beatle's tune, imo. If I was Paul, I wouldn't "claim" it even if I had a hand in writing it

                                    It does seem strange to all of a sudden want to claim that one!

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                                      RMartinez:

                                      LiveForever:

                                      Here is what Paul had to say fairly recently in Rolling Stone on Kite: What made you want to revisit those particular songs? Well, for instance, "Mr. Kite" is such a crazy, oddball song that I thought it would freshen up the set. Plus the fact that I'd never done it. None of us in the Beatles ever did that song [in concert]. And I have great memories of writing it with John. I read, occasionally, people say, "Oh, John wrote that one." I say, "Wait a minute, what was that afternoon I spent with him, then, looking at this poster?" He happened to have a poster in his living room at home. I was out at his house, and we just got this idea, because the poster said "Being for the Benefit of Mr Kite" ? and then we put in, you know, "there will be a show tonight," and then it was like, "of course," then it had "Henry the Horse dances the waltz." You know, whatever. "The Hendersons, Pablo Fanques, somersets?" We said, "What was 'somersets'? It must have been an old-fashioned way of saying somersaults." The song just wrote itself. So, yeah, I was happy to kind of reclaim it as partially mine. But like I said, you've got to look what you're doing when you play that one. Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/q-a-paul-mccartney-looks-back-on-his-latest-magical-mystery-tour-20130725#ixzz3Gnw0zMRi

                                      Maybe Paul should set the record straight once and for all. John did a few interviews over the years when he said who wrote what, and Paul never chimed in to contradict him, except on a couple of occasions. Why didn't he say back in 1973, "I helped write Mr. Kite." And it's not "people" saying John wrote it, John Lennon himself said he wrote it. I tend to favor John's take on it, since Paul is, all of a sudden, "re-claiming" songs fifty years later. John isn't here to say, "Hold on." I do know Paul is a bit obsessed with his legacy, and so is starting to say things he never said in fifty years of interviews. Getting Better is a Paul tune mostly, but John said from the get go he wrote a verse or so. Some of the words. What's next? Paul co-wrote I Am The Walrus because he was in the room when John brought it around? If that's the case, then maybe John helped write Yesterday for the same reason. But he never claimed that. I think George Martin co-wrote Mr. Kite as much as Paul did.

                                      Of course, in those days, John was more likely than Paul to be on LSD, so maybe his recollections aren't as ironclad as we'd like to think. 😉

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                                        favoritething:

                                        RMartinez:

                                        LiveForever:

                                        Here is what Paul had to say fairly recently in Rolling Stone on Kite: What made you want to revisit those particular songs? Well, for instance, "Mr. Kite" is such a crazy, oddball song that I thought it would freshen up the set. Plus the fact that I'd never done it. None of us in the Beatles ever did that song [in concert]. And I have great memories of writing it with John. I read, occasionally, people say, "Oh, John wrote that one." I say, "Wait a minute, what was that afternoon I spent with him, then, looking at this poster?" He happened to have a poster in his living room at home. I was out at his house, and we just got this idea, because the poster said "Being for the Benefit of Mr Kite" ? and then we put in, you know, "there will be a show tonight," and then it was like, "of course," then it had "Henry the Horse dances the waltz." You know, whatever. "The Hendersons, Pablo Fanques, somersets?" We said, "What was 'somersets'? It must have been an old-fashioned way of saying somersaults." The song just wrote itself. So, yeah, I was happy to kind of reclaim it as partially mine. But like I said, you've got to look what you're doing when you play that one. Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/q-a-paul-mccartney-looks-back-on-his-latest-magical-mystery-tour-20130725#ixzz3Gnw0zMRi

                                        Maybe Paul should set the record straight once and for all. John did a few interviews over the years when he said who wrote what, and Paul never chimed in to contradict him, except on a couple of occasions. Why didn't he say back in 1973, "I helped write Mr. Kite." And it's not "people" saying John wrote it, John Lennon himself said he wrote it. I tend to favor John's take on it, since Paul is, all of a sudden, "re-claiming" songs fifty years later. John isn't here to say, "Hold on." I do know Paul is a bit obsessed with his legacy, and so is starting to say things he never said in fifty years of interviews. Getting Better is a Paul tune mostly, but John said from the get go he wrote a verse or so. Some of the words. What's next? Paul co-wrote I Am The Walrus because he was in the room when John brought it around? If that's the case, then maybe John helped write Yesterday for the same reason. But he never claimed that. I think George Martin co-wrote Mr. Kite as much as Paul did.

                                        Of course, in those days, John was more likely than Paul to be on LSD, so maybe his recollections aren't as ironclad as we'd like to think. 😉

                                        But you think people who smoke truck loads of marijuana for decades have sharp memories?

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                                          RMartinez:

                                          favoritething:

                                          RMartinez:

                                          LiveForever:

                                          Here is what Paul had to say fairly recently in Rolling Stone on Kite: What made you want to revisit those particular songs? Well, for instance, "Mr. Kite" is such a crazy, oddball song that I thought it would freshen up the set. Plus the fact that I'd never done it. None of us in the Beatles ever did that song [in concert]. And I have great memories of writing it with John. I read, occasionally, people say, "Oh, John wrote that one." I say, "Wait a minute, what was that afternoon I spent with him, then, looking at this poster?" He happened to have a poster in his living room at home. I was out at his house, and we just got this idea, because the poster said "Being for the Benefit of Mr Kite" ? and then we put in, you know, "there will be a show tonight," and then it was like, "of course," then it had "Henry the Horse dances the waltz." You know, whatever. "The Hendersons, Pablo Fanques, somersets?" We said, "What was 'somersets'? It must have been an old-fashioned way of saying somersaults." The song just wrote itself. So, yeah, I was happy to kind of reclaim it as partially mine. But like I said, you've got to look what you're doing when you play that one. Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/q-a-paul-mccartney-looks-back-on-his-latest-magical-mystery-tour-20130725#ixzz3Gnw0zMRi

                                          Maybe Paul should set the record straight once and for all. John did a few interviews over the years when he said who wrote what, and Paul never chimed in to contradict him, except on a couple of occasions. Why didn't he say back in 1973, "I helped write Mr. Kite." And it's not "people" saying John wrote it, John Lennon himself said he wrote it. I tend to favor John's take on it, since Paul is, all of a sudden, "re-claiming" songs fifty years later. John isn't here to say, "Hold on." I do know Paul is a bit obsessed with his legacy, and so is starting to say things he never said in fifty years of interviews. Getting Better is a Paul tune mostly, but John said from the get go he wrote a verse or so. Some of the words. What's next? Paul co-wrote I Am The Walrus because he was in the room when John brought it around? If that's the case, then maybe John helped write Yesterday for the same reason. But he never claimed that. I think George Martin co-wrote Mr. Kite as much as Paul did.

                                          Of course, in those days, John was more likely than Paul to be on LSD, so maybe his recollections aren't as ironclad as we'd like to think. 😉

                                          But you think people who smoke truck loads of marijuana for decades have sharp memories?

                                          I thought it was just suitcases full? 😉

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                                            favoritething:

                                            RMartinez:

                                            favoritething:

                                            RMartinez:

                                            LiveForever:

                                            Here is what Paul had to say fairly recently in Rolling Stone on Kite: What made you want to revisit those particular songs? Well, for instance, "Mr. Kite" is such a crazy, oddball song that I thought it would freshen up the set. Plus the fact that I'd never done it. None of us in the Beatles ever did that song [in concert]. And I have great memories of writing it with John. I read, occasionally, people say, "Oh, John wrote that one." I say, "Wait a minute, what was that afternoon I spent with him, then, looking at this poster?" He happened to have a poster in his living room at home. I was out at his house, and we just got this idea, because the poster said "Being for the Benefit of Mr Kite" ? and then we put in, you know, "there will be a show tonight," and then it was like, "of course," then it had "Henry the Horse dances the waltz." You know, whatever. "The Hendersons, Pablo Fanques, somersets?" We said, "What was 'somersets'? It must have been an old-fashioned way of saying somersaults." The song just wrote itself. So, yeah, I was happy to kind of reclaim it as partially mine. But like I said, you've got to look what you're doing when you play that one. Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/q-a-paul-mccartney-looks-back-on-his-latest-magical-mystery-tour-20130725#ixzz3Gnw0zMRi

                                            Maybe Paul should set the record straight once and for all. John did a few interviews over the years when he said who wrote what, and Paul never chimed in to contradict him, except on a couple of occasions. Why didn't he say back in 1973, "I helped write Mr. Kite." And it's not "people" saying John wrote it, John Lennon himself said he wrote it. I tend to favor John's take on it, since Paul is, all of a sudden, "re-claiming" songs fifty years later. John isn't here to say, "Hold on." I do know Paul is a bit obsessed with his legacy, and so is starting to say things he never said in fifty years of interviews. Getting Better is a Paul tune mostly, but John said from the get go he wrote a verse or so. Some of the words. What's next? Paul co-wrote I Am The Walrus because he was in the room when John brought it around? If that's the case, then maybe John helped write Yesterday for the same reason. But he never claimed that. I think George Martin co-wrote Mr. Kite as much as Paul did.

                                            Of course, in those days, John was more likely than Paul to be on LSD, so maybe his recollections aren't as ironclad as we'd like to think. 😉

                                            But you think people who smoke truck loads of marijuana for decades have sharp memories?

                                            I thought it was just suitcases full? 😉

                                            ZING!

                                            Omni, Atlanta, GA May 18, 1976, Feb. 17, 1990

                                            GA Dome, Atlanta, GA May 1, 1993

                                            Philips Arena, Atlanta, GA May 12, 2002

                                            FedEx Forum, Memphis, TN May 26, 2013

                                            Philips Arena, Atlanta, GA Oct. 15, 2014

                                            Infinite Energy Center, Duluth, GA July 13, 2017

                                            Bon Secours Arena, Greenville, SC May 30, 2019

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