Paul McCartney has officially become an oldies act.
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eric in boise:
left hand man:
No one is twisting anything out of context, I never said those songs were the same, read my post...
No. You said "...does that mean that this man has to sing the same exact songs year after year, tour after tour, for the rest of his freaking life!! " That's just the most recent example. I could go back and look at your other posts and see where you say that he hasn't changed his setlist (he has) on this board and the Hoffman board. You just don't approve of his changes - there's a big difference. You are the MASTER of "twisting out of context". It's a FACT that 44% of the songs on his last US tour hadn't EVER been played on a previous US tour. You don't like that fact, so you try and say that they're the same songs - they aren't. Yes, they're (mostly) Beatle songs, but they're different songs, and it's a different playlist. State your facts accurately, and I won't feel the need to correct you so often...
You forgot to mention this part of lefthandman post (see below) which I think is the major part of his point of view. How many of the 37 songs were from the first 10 years of McCartney's career. Outside of a couple of numbers from "CHAOS", I bet the remaining barely touched anything after 1973. It is now 2008 so maybe McCartney should remember that there was a career after the Beatles and Wings. Setlist of 2005 tour below lefthandman post. Lefthandman Post Personally I want the greatest entertainer in the world to perform as much of his fantastic music as is humanly possible for him to do!! It's absolutely amazing to me that some people only want to hear from 8 years of his career?? SET LIST 1) Magical Mystery Tour (Hofner) 2) Flaming Pie (Hofner) 3) Jet (Hofner) 4) I'll Get You (Hofner) 5) Drive My Car (Hofner) 6) Till There Was You (Hofner) 7) Let Me Roll It /Foxey Lady (Les Paul) Got To Get You Into My Life (Hofner) 9) Fine Line (Grand Piano) 10) Maybe I'm Amazed (Grand Piano) 11) The Long And Winding Road (Grand Piano) Acoustic Set 12) In Spite Of All The Danger (acoustic solo) 13) I Will (acoustic solo) 14) Jenny Wren (acoustic - Wix) 15) For No One (Grand Piano) 16) Fixing A Hole (Grand Piano) 17) English Tea (Grand Piano) 1 I'll Follow The Sun (acoustic) with reprise twice (band) 19) Follow Me (acoustic) band 20) Blackbird (acoustic solo) 21) Eleanor Rigby (acoustic) 22) Too Many People (Hofner) band 23) She Came In Through The Bathroom Window (Hofner) 24) Good Day Sunshine (Hofner) 25) Band On The Run (Hofner) 26) Penny Lane (Hofner) 27) I've Got A Feeling (Les Paul) 2 Back In The USSR (Hofner) 29) Hey Jude (Grand Piano) 30) Live And Let Die (Grand Piano) Encore 31) Yesterday (acoustic - solo) 32) Get Back (Hofner) 33) Helter Skelter (Hofner) Encore 34) Please Please Me (Hofner) 35) Mull of Kintrye (acoustic) Peel Regional Police Pipe Band 36) Let It Be (Psychedelic upright piano) 37) Sgt. Pepper Reprise/The End (Les Paul)
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PHILLIP:
eric in boise:
mikeskapla:
I sort of come in between Eric in Boise & left hand man...
I'm not saying he shouldn't add more solo stuff into his setlist. I just hate to see the facts misrepresented, as lefthandman is prone to do. Your post is right on target, and factually accurate, too!
How many McCartney concerts have you been to?
16. I went to my first one in 89 in NY. And first go of it I loved it actually I still do love his shows but back then the Beatles stuff sounded fresh to me. I totally get why he has to do Hey Jude, Let It Be, Yesterday, etc. I just don't get why Beatle obscure songs in some cases very obscure like I'll Get You win out over blockbuster Wing songs. I also don't get why so much variety in the Beatles music but not solo. Lets take one of the Beatles most famous albums, Revolver: He does: For No One, Got To Get You Into My Life, Here There And Everywhere, Goodday Sunshine, Elenaor Rigby. And mixes them up, that's every track he sang on the album 100%. Now that's the story on most albums or close to it, as far as I recall he hasn't skipped a single track on Let It Be, etc. Now look at his classic solo albums, Band on the Run and RAM. I am giving him help here by picking BOTR since its the album he covers the most. With BOTR -- its Jet, Band on the Run, Let Me Roll It. He doesn't do the top 10 hit Helen Wheels or what many say is the definitive non hit cut from the album and that is 1985. Adding up to 33%. And its the same 3 songs every time, he skipped Let Me Roll it just once. RAM -- he did one finally in his last tour. 1 out 12 -- and he only did that one song on one tour. Look Paul is great. But in my opinion he doesn't have to even change the Beatles heavy set. Just take out Let Me Roll It and replace with a Helen Wheels. Substitute Junior's Farm for Jet sometimes -- both are top 10 hits. Stuff like that. His hard core fans would go nuts -- and we are the hard core fans on his site. At least when I see survey's that touch this subject on this site -- asking for more variety is not the minority but majority opinion. And again no one is saying replace Hey Jude for Getting Closer, its why not Helen Wheels for Let Me Roll It, or With a Little Luck over I'll Get You.
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Monkberry moon:
Dear Boy:
I just hope he's getting all these songs out of his system so that his next tour will have a completely original set list.
Imagine you are a person who is eagerly attending your first Paul McCartney concert and he doesn't sing Hey Jude, Let It Be or Yesterday. I know I would be disappointed.
Exactly. At last, someone agrees with me.
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PHILLIP:
Well said left hand man. Besides all the newcomers can watch all his live videos.
Yeah but Phillip that wouldn't be quite the same as seeing him in the flesh singing live.
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left hand man:
Eric In Boise, if you feel the need to correct me as you say, have at it, I have no problem with it. That still doesn't change the fact of what I've been saying!
Well, one can try to correct you, but you are unwilling/unable to admit when you've misspoken. Since I first corrected you, and showed you that the 2005 setlist was made up of 44% songs never performed on tour in the US, and another 19% only performed on ONE previous US tour, you've said the following, in separate posts, all in this thread (one can only imagine how often you've hammered home the same erroneous "fact" in other threads): #1: "does that mean the man has to play the same show over and over and over for the rest of his life!" #2: "There's just absolutely no excuse for dragging out the same setlist year after year, tour after tour!" #3: "Paul McCartney has been performing the same core Beatle songs for the last twenty plus years, that is fact!!" #4: "The same old tired setlist has plenty of toilet breaks in it!" #5: "I will never ever understand how people can be satisfied with the very same exact core songs year after year after year, tour after tour after tour??" #6: "All we're saying is it's time for McCartney to change his setlist! ... The man has been performing basically the same setlist for the last two freaking DECADES!!" #7: "His core songs are always the same!" That was AFTER showing you that he'd only repeated 36% of his 2005 set on more than one tour!!!!!!!!!!! Again, simple lesson: if song A is not the same as song B, then they are not "the very same exact" song. When nearly half McCartney's setlist has never been played on tour, it is most definitely NOT "the same show". And then you have the audacity to say this: "No one is twisting anything out of context, I never said those songs were the same..."
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yankeefan7:
You forgot to mention this part of lefthandman post...
As I've said elsewhere, I enjoy seeing Paul do songs I haven't seen him do before. After 10 concerts over four tours, there's bound to be some repetition. However, only SEVEN songs have been repeated at each and every concert I've attended, out of 32-36 songs/night. It's pretty apparent that at least some of the folks on this board are relatively new to Paul. When you have someone (left hand man) loudly proclaiming Paul does "the exact same" songs "each and every tour", he's bound to poison the perceptions of some of those folks who haven't yet seen him, or don't know enough to know better. Almost every one else here manages to get across their opinions without stumbling over the facts... That's what I object to.
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I am not even looking at the set list so am sure I am missing some stuff but in terms of mixing up the Beatles stuff I agree with Eric. He does a good job of it. He did Got To Get You into my Life in 89/90 and not again until the last tour, if I recall correctly ditto with Get Back. Fixing A Hole in 93 but not again until his last tour, ditto with Good Day Sunshine. He tends to do and then skip over the next tour, I Saw Her Standing There, All My Loving, Michelle, Here There Everywhere, and Drive My Car. Penny Lane he skips in 89-90 and 02 but hits in the other tours. Then he mixes in new stuff tour to tour Mother Nature's Sun, I'll Follow The Sun, For No One, Please Please Me, I Will, She's Leaving Home, In Spite of All the Danger, Something, I'll Get You, Helter Skelter, Two Of Us, I've Got A Feeling, She Came In Thru The Backroom Windown, Golden Slumers, You Never Give Me Your Money, Till There Was You, You won't See Me, And I Love Her. And i am sure I am missing some. All those songs he's just done once and brought out for one of the tours. As to Paul covering the Beatles, he has them covered up and down and sideways. He does nothing of the kind for solo stuff with small exceptions. It's not Jet one tour and Juniors Farm in another. It's just Jet. And Beatles obscure beats out big solo hits. He really goes to town on the Beatle stuff, I'd be less surprised to hear Why Don't We Do It On The Road in the next set list than Juniors Farm.
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mikeskapla:
PHILLIP:
eric in boise:
mikeskapla:
I sort of come in between Eric in Boise & left hand man...
I'm not saying he shouldn't add more solo stuff into his setlist. I just hate to see the facts misrepresented, as lefthandman is prone to do. Your post is right on target, and factually accurate, too!
How many McCartney concerts have you been to?
16. I went to my first one in 89 in NY. And first go of it I loved it actually I still do love his shows but back then the Beatles stuff sounded fresh to me. I totally get why he has to do Hey Jude, Let It Be, Yesterday, etc. I just don't get why Beatle obscure songs in some cases very obscure like I'll Get You win out over blockbuster Wing songs. I also don't get why so much variety in the Beatles music but not solo. Lets take one of the Beatles most famous albums, Revolver: He does: For No One, Got To Get You Into My Life, Here There And Everywhere, Goodday Sunshine, Elenaor Rigby. And mixes them up, that's every track he sang on the album 100%. Now that's the story on most albums or close to it, as far as I recall he hasn't skipped a single track on Let It Be, etc. Now look at his classic solo albums, Band on the Run and RAM. I am giving him help here by picking BOTR since its the album he covers the most. With BOTR -- its Jet, Band on the Run, Let Me Roll It. He doesn't do the top 10 hit Helen Wheels or what many say is the definitive non hit cut from the album and that is 1985. Adding up to 33%. And its the same 3 songs every time, he skipped Let Me Roll it just once. RAM -- he did one finally in his last tour. 1 out 12 -- and he only did that one song on one tour. Look Paul is great. But in my opinion he doesn't have to even change the Beatles heavy set. Just take out Let Me Roll It and replace with a Helen Wheels. Substitute Junior's Farm for Jet sometimes -- both are top 10 hits. Stuff like that. His hard core fans would go nuts -- and we are the hard core fans on his site. At least when I see survey's that touch this subject on this site -- asking for more variety is not the minority but majority opinion. And again no one is saying replace Hey Jude for Getting Closer, its why not Helen Wheels for Let Me Roll It, or With a Little Luck over I'll Get You.
Or play anything besides "C Moon" !!
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Twist it anyway you want, the simple fact is that McCartney has hit the stage with a Beatle heavy setlist for the last twenty years, and that is also fact! People on all kinds of music websites are saying the same exact thing! paul McCartneys core songs have been the same, he just switches them out from one tour to the next. How many times have we heard... Hey Jude Let It Be I Saw Her Standing There Got To Get You Into My Life Yesterday Get Back Lady Madonna Drive My Car The Long And Winding Road Blackbird Eleanor Rigby Penny Lane Sgt pepper reprise/ The End All My Loving We Can Work It Out Back In The USSR Can't Buy Me Love Every single live album I have by McCartney except Wings Over America has a variation of these songs on it. As I said he's been doing these core songs for the last twenty years! FACT!! The Wings songs are exactly the same, the solo songs change very little, and of course he may push his new album. This is what he has done for the last twenty years!! All he does is add more Beatles songs to go along with the Beatle songs he's already performing, resulting in yet another Beatle heavy setlist. Nothing has changed!
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left hand man:
... Nothing has changed!
Except nearly half the setlist...
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eric in boise:
yankeefan7:
You forgot to mention this part of lefthandman post...
As I've said elsewhere, I enjoy seeing Paul do songs I haven't seen him do before. After 10 concerts over four tours, there's bound to be some repetition. However, only SEVEN songs have been repeated at each and every concert I've attended, out of 32-36 songs/night. It's pretty apparent that at least some of the folks on this board are relatively new to Paul. When you have someone (left hand man) loudly proclaiming Paul does "the exact same" songs "each and every tour", he's bound to poison the perceptions of some of those folks who haven't yet seen him, or don't know enough to know better. Almost every one else here manages to get across their opinions without stumbling over the facts... That's what I object to.
I understand your point. I think myself and others are just suggesting replacing obscure Beatles or Wings songs that get repeated with something else from his huge catlalog of songs. I just get frustrated that McCartney for the most part does not play much after the early 70's when he has had some really good records recently. Why can't he do "My Brave Face " or "Hope of Deliverance" again? Why not do "Run Devil Run", even if people don't know it the songs rock and is a fun number.
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yankeefan7:
I understand your point. I think myself and others are just suggesting replacing obscure Beatles or Wings songs that get repeated with something else from his huge catlalog of songs...
I agree - I'd be thrilled if I DIDN'T hear "Jet" or "Long & Winding Road" or "Let Me Roll It" next tour, and got something ... anything ... in their place. A lot of Wings' "rockier" numbers would be a thrill for me to see. Or some RDR material. And how on earth did "About You" not make it into the sets for the Driving Rain-era shows??? That one should have been an obvious inclusion, IMO...
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Yeah, it would be a thrill not to get another Beatle heavy setlist like we have for the last twenty years! Eric says that nearly half of his setlist has changed, let's say that's true, if those changes are still just mostly Beatles, what has changed, those few songs? Well that's still what he has done for the last twenty years?
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left hand man:
Yeah, it would be a thrill not to get another Beatle heavy setlist like we have for the last twenty years!
I agree but I've given up on that. It seems reasonable to me that one day, hopefully its this coming tour that Paul says to himself you know what instead of just mixing up the Beatles lets mix up the solo stuff. Keep Amazed, Let Die, Band on the Run for the causal fans but then give some of that same spirit he brings to the Beatle catlogue to the solo one: Instead of Coming Up -- What the Man Said Instead of My Love -- With A Little Luck Instead of C-Moon -- if he wants to go that obscure and do a B side why then not do another B side like Girls School or heck a #1 hit like Silly Love Songs Instead of Jet -- Juniors Farm Instead of Let Me Roll It -- Helen Wheels. And maybe substitue an occasional big Wings hit for Beatle songs that really the casual fans don't know -- does the casual fan really know In Spite Of All The Danger and I'll get You? Heck I'd venture to say they don't know stuff like I've Got a Feeling and Fixing A Hole. I really can't see the casual fan going to a show and saying to themselves if Paul doesn't do You Won't See Me, and In Spite of All the Danger -- it just doesn't seem right, I've waited all my life to hear those songs
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Has Paul ever done songs like Nowhere man I will I'm only sleeping And your bird can sing I think these are great Beatle songs and maybe he should do these ones instead of Hey Jude or Let it Be. I agree and think that he should do more Wings such as Silly Love Songs. It is a terrific song and definately much better than C Moon. Personally, I'm not really keen on C Moon.
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eric in boise:
yankeefan7:
I understand your point. I think myself and others are just suggesting replacing obscure Beatles or Wings songs that get repeated with something else from his huge catlalog of songs...
I agree - I'd be thrilled if I DIDN'T hear "Jet" or "Long & Winding Road" or "Let Me Roll It" next tour, and got something ... anything ... in their place. A lot of Wings' "rockier" numbers would be a thrill for me to see. Or some RDR material. And how on earth did "About You" not make it into the sets for the Driving Rain-era shows??? That one should have been an obvious inclusion, IMO...
I love "About You" and agree he should have done that one on DR tour. IMO - it should have been a single instead of "From A Lover To A Friend"
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hettyw:
Has Paul ever done songs like Nowhere man I will I'm only sleeping And your bird can sing I think these are great Beatle songs and maybe he should do these ones instead of Hey Jude or Let it Be.
Those are Lennon songs, why would he play them live?
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mikeskapla:
does the casual fan really know In Spite Of All The Danger and I'll get You? Heck I'd venture to say they don't know stuff like I've Got a Feeling and Fixing A Hole. I really can't see the casual fan going to a show and saying to themselves if Paul doesn't do You Won't See Me, and In Spite of All the Danger -- it just doesn't seem right, I've waited all my life to hear those songs
That's exactly what I think. I mean, ok, most people are casual Beatles fans, but does some of them know stuff like In spite of all the danger or I'll get you??? not to mention they're pretty mediocre songs for Paul standard, and like you said, I really doubt most of that same people know other not so obscure songs. I don't think replacing some of those songs by solo or Wings hits like Listen to what the man said, Silly love songs or Uncle Albert would be such a big deal.
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I'll Get you was the B side of She Loves You and I would be willing to bet that 95% of the audience would not know that or care if he played it. I wonder if McCartney really believes his audience would rather hear a obscure B side Beatle song over a top 10 Wings/Solo single.
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TitaniumMan:
hettyw:
Has Paul ever done songs like Nowhere man I will I'm only sleeping And your bird can sing I think these are great Beatle songs and maybe he should do these ones instead of Hey Jude or Let it Be.
Those are Lennon songs, why would he play them live?
Paul did "I Will" in 2005-and that IS a PAUL song.