What is wrong with eating invasive species?
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Kathryn O:
simplyrahil:
HAHAHAHA 2 'vegan' meals a day while eating meat the rest of the time is 1 step forward and 10 steps back! you very well know that you eat burgers, and animals in various forms.
Tell that to the MFM movement. 10 steps back? Hardly. (and your correction of my grammar shows you have no thing to offer but a lame argument).
all YOUR 'arguments' are LAME. it is always about some excuse to eat animals. i don't have to 'tell that to the MFM movement'. i already stated clearly that this MFM thing is a farce and helps nothing, because it has just caused complacency in the face of real issues of animals being killed every second due to people like you who want to make excuses every step of the way to keep eating their flesh. and my correction of SPELLING (not GRAMMAR in this case. learn the difference.) is due to your constant annoying misspelling of certain specific words, so it must be pointed out because it's an eyesore every time.
Kathryn O:
and yes, you convert no one. Deal with that.
haha, you know nothing.
Kathryn O:
simplyrahil:
hahahaha i don't care?? hahahaha
that's your problem. and a problem with veganism in general. Wow.
no, it's the world's problem. not just mine. because you fill your face with animals' flesh, any time, doesn't matter when or how much, you are part of the problem. the problem isn't veganism. the problem is that you are not a vegan. (oh yeh, why again? because 'boo hoo, some vegan treated me funny oh so long ago, boo hoo, mummy, i will continue to eat animals because the big bad vegan made me cry
). LAME!Kathryn O:
instead of acknowledging that I eat two environmentally sound vegan meals a day, you scream and b*tch about the one that isn't.
haha, folks, isn't that pretty standard of her to use the words 'scream and b*tch' when someone is confronting her on issues?
her favourite catch words of defense. those '2 meals' you claim to have per day makes no difference because you still pay for the death of animals everyday with the rest of meals you consume which has flesh in it. are you trying somehow to say that the burger-eaters (like yourself) are helping the planet and animals in spite of all the destruction they caused, 'just because they have lettuce inside the bread with the burger'? the 'difference' is not about how much vegan meals one eats! it is about not eating animals' flesh! if you pay for and consume ANY amount of animal flesh, you ARE part of this problem. YOU can 'scream and b*tch' how much ever you like on here, but the facts are the facts, and you have to swallow that.Kathryn O:
the facts speak for themselves. did you know that goats can be raised in areas where crops can't be grown due to poor soil and lack of water for growing common plant foods?
leave the innocent animals alone! they are not here for you to stuff your stomach with!
Kathryn O:
Now, do you have anything to say about invasive species? do you even know anything about the topic of this thread?
yes, i know how it feels when you invade a thread and try to 'scream and b*tch' when i state facts that you don't want to accept
KO:
bet my meals are more environmentally sound then your.
HAHAHA 'thAn' thAn thAn can't you get that?
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(imported foods...lots of fruit which actually takes a huge amount of water and isn't that good for you anyway. things that require constant heating? I eat lots of cold foods for the environment)
HAHAHAHA you sound like you need some fruit. keep fooling yourself about what a 'hero' you are 'for the environment'. but you aren't fooling the environment nor those who really know the truth. and what makes you figure that i consume 'a lot of imported foods'? just because i live in the Caribbean? dude, the world imports from us.
KO:
It's not stale or lame.
yes it very much is.
KO:
It's the truth you can't face....antagonist like this are a detriment to the movement.
hahaha, YOU are the one who cannot face the truth. you keep going on about 'movement'. dude, i have told you many times before, stop making this real issue something about some 'group'. this is about animals who are having their throats cut every second that YOU keep making excuses to buy and full your guts with their flesh. this is not about any 'movement'. the only 'movement' this is concerning is you moving your ego and selfishness from 'extreme' to 'low setting' and realizing you are wrong.
KO:
With your "I don't care", you have shown that basically you don't really care. about the animals, the environment or anything.
tsk tsk i never said ' i don't care ' this is what i posted- " i don't care?? " see the QUESTION MARKS? " ?? " know what those " ?? " mean in a sentence? it means it was not a statement but a QUESTION. " i don't care ?? " which was in response to saying that i don't care. anyone with grade 1 grammar knowledge would understand that. but sorry, i forgot for a second who i am dealing with, so i should be prepared to literally 'read and spell' a lot of things.
KO:
(and better for the animals too as I actually take care of some)
HAHAHA just because you have some 'pets' makes you no help to the real issue of countless animals having their throats cut due to you paying for their flesh. one pet (who you have to feed other animals' flesh to anyway! though you might say 'oh i feed him/her vegan food' :lol
doesn't magically negate the other vastly deeper crimes of being responsible for paying for the killing of millions of other animals of other species. -
simplyrahil:
also, i hope that the day if ALIEN SPECIES come to Earth and find us HOMO SAPIENS to be as we are describing these 'invasive animals', that we won't protest and find other logic for why we should be spared. because HOMO SAPIENS very well fits the description 'they tend to destroy the native animals and wreak ecological mayhem. ' just look around. human beings are the scourge of the Earth. i hope the same justification for killing us off and eating us will hold then for those who want to try to use it here against other animals.
First of all, Aliens would be the invaders, not us. I keep telling Ursala Le Guinne, that in Lathe of Heaven, she claims an alien attack would unite the earth. I keep saying no it won't. there's too many misanthropes, nihilist, and people that could make money off of it that they'd help the aliens destroy humanity
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simplyrahil:
. and you with this repeated bla about 'who convert who and how many' is really stale now. .
You haven't realized that your four or five sentences you keep repeating have long ago been stale?
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What is all this ?check yourself eh? and ?fill your face with animal flesh?, ?cut throats?, ?animal flesh flesh flesh? stuff? I can?t remember who wrote that but I?m just wondering how crazy this person is? They?re like ?oh any SANE person wouldn?t eat animals? ?? lol ok so everyone on earth basically completely insane in your mind.. the stuff is embarrassing to read. any SANE person wouldn't spend so much energy banging the same drum at people who obviously do not respect them. in fact that in itself is basically the definition of insanity; making the same mistake, expecting different results.. Total lack of respect for other posters. There?s nothing wrong with eating invasive animals. Or any animals for that matter IMO, in moderation.
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kapoo:
What is all this ?check yourself eh? and ?fill your face with animal flesh?, ?cut throats?, ?animal flesh flesh flesh? stuff?
what is it? it's what is going on every second.
kapoo:
They?re like ?oh any SANE person wouldn?t eat animals? ?? lol
exactly it IS insane to kill and eat animals. especially after one knows the pain and suffering they go through, which everyone here knows by virtue of all that has been posted for ages now and from what Sir Paul himself has been exposing.
kapoo:
ok so everyone on earth basically completely insane in your mind..
so what? because millions of people are doing something insane or wrong doesn't make it insane or wrong? quantity of wrong doesn't justify said wrong.
kapoo:
the stuff is embarrassing to read.
yes, it's embarrassing that people who know what goes on still continue to fund it and eat of it.
kapoo:
any SANE person wouldn't spend so much energy banging the same drum at people who obviously do not respect them.
as long as i am part of this board and anyone states anything against the animals, i will use my right and ability to defend the animals. the disrespect being given towards them has to be dealt with and that is what i have been attempting to do. whatever KO or you come with, you can rest assured i will deal with it. the animals' murders are no joke or light issue. they are voiceless and vegans are their voice.
kapoo:
in fact that in itself is basically the definition of insanity; making the same mistake, expecting different results..
that's what the human race does when they claim to 'care for the environment' while stuffing their faces with burgers. being insane and dishonest too.
kapoo:
Total lack of respect for other posters.
killing and eating animals is a total lack of respect for the hundreds of species being murdered every second. this is the 'cosmically conscious' section. this section is for dealing with that.
kapoo:
There?s nothing wrong with eating invasive animals. Or any animals for that matter IMO, in moderation.
yes there is something wrong. it is totally wrong. no animal wants to be murdered. that alone makes it wrong to kill any of them.
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Kathryn O:
simplyrahil:
. and you with this repeated bla about 'who convert who and how many' is really stale now. .
You haven't realized that your four or five sentences you keep repeating have long ago been stale?
obviously it would seem 'stale if it is in response to YOUR repeated staleness. if you keep coming with the same staleness, what do you expect in response?
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It's all you said to anyone else who talks to you too anywhere in the forum. Do you have an argument against eating invasive species? Oh, and please read the first two of these logical argument rules: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=750448371649444&set=a.301251116569174.86774.123916950969259&type=1&theater
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yes, all of the above and all else stated always against killing animals a 'commandment' for you - 'thou shalt not kill' you should be the last person showing anyone anything about 'commandments' (re: that link you posted), especially anything to do with 'logic', etc.
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simplyrahil:
kapoo:
What is all this ?check yourself eh? and ?fill your face with animal flesh?, ?cut throats?, ?animal flesh flesh flesh? stuff?
what is it? it's what is going on every second. .
but you're screaming it at the wrong people.
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simplyrahil:
yes, all of the above and all else stated always against killing animals a 'commandment' for you - 'thou shalt not kill' you should be the last person showing anyone anything about 'commandments' (re: that link you posted), especially anything to do with 'logic', etc.
:biblical commandments mean nothing to me. I am a polytheist and they only allow me to worship a diety I'm not fond of. also, thou shall not kill, but then goes on in Leviticus and Deuteronomy about killing all sorts of folks being okay like gays and all sorts of girls
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simplyrahil:
yes, all of the above and all else stated always against killing animals a 'commandment' for you - 'thou shalt not kill' you should be the last person showing anyone anything about 'commandments' (re: that link you posted), especially anything to do with 'logic', etc.
:Personal insults, the refuge of one who has no real argument. What I showed you was valid and you just violated the first rule.
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Cows aren't an invasive species. that's what this topic is about.
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I'm home for the week and there was an interesting article about this in the Free Press today, saying they still don't really have a full solution on how to stop the carp.
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Nope. Now my boss who is a vegetarian, I asked him this question. he said that these things often may take decades but that the ecology balances them out eventually. I'm not sure about that having seen photos of the destruction these fish cause....and who can wait decades for a place to recover?
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simplyrahil:
killing means you have to also stuff it in your stomachs? why be a corpse-carrier even if the 'killing' is somehow justified environmentally? that is the part i don't get why would any sane person want to ingest what was just eating off all that other stuff, why would any sane person want to kill that and then put it inside themselves?
As a vegetarian, I can at least see that it's a multi-faceted argument with no easy answer. It really depends on why a particular person doesn't eat animals. Environmental is one reason for me. I'm more about the cruelty. I could go either way on this. Catching and killing these carp isn't any less cruel than any other fish at any other time, it's just merciful to the other animals and ecosystem around them. It's not the carp's fault though, they're just doing what they do and now they are being punished for it. I'm more of a "greater good" person. So yeah, catch them and kill them if we have to. If it serves a greater purpose. Killing animals rarely does, but in this case it would. As far as whether it's "ok" to eat them? I wouldn't. I would prefer not to. The fact that they were killed for a good reason doesn't change that. I would hate to see them go to waste when they can feed people, though. But that's not my problem, and to be honest, it's not a problem at all, because MANY people eat wish and many would be lining up for cheap carp.
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simplyrahil:
HAHAHAHA 2 'vegan' meals a day while eating meat the rest of the time is 1 step forward and 10 steps back! you very well know that you eat burgers, and animals in various forms.
So should someone be completely vegan, or not make any difference at all? Are those the only two choices? Why can't someone make whatever difference they are able to? It sounds like Kathryn consumes less animal than probably 90% of people in the developed world, so does she really deserve this?
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simplyrahil:
those '2 meals' you claim to have per day makes no difference because you still pay for the death of animals everyday with the rest of meals you consume which has flesh in it.
Yes, of course those two meals make a difference. This isn't a black and white question, "DO YOU EAT MEAT YES OR NO", quantity is an important part of the question.
are you trying somehow to say that the burger-eaters (like yourself) are helping the planet and animals in spite of all the destruction they caused, 'just because they have lettuce inside the bread with the burger'?
Uh, no, that's not what she said at all. Look, I sympathize with the arguments you, in general, are trying to make, but you are just a terrible debater. brutal. You make it so easy for Kathryn.
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seventieslord:
simplyrahil:
HAHAHAHA 2 'vegan' meals a day while eating meat the rest of the time is 1 step forward and 10 steps back! you very well know that you eat burgers, and animals in various forms.
So should someone be completely vegan, or not make any difference at all? Are those the only two choices? Why can't someone make whatever difference they are able to? It sounds like Kathryn consumes less animal than probably 90% of people in the developed world, so does she really deserve this?
Glad you brought up my main point with the mentality I've had to deal with.
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Kathryn O:
seventieslord:
simplyrahil:
HAHAHAHA 2 'vegan' meals a day while eating meat the rest of the time is 1 step forward and 10 steps back! you very well know that you eat burgers, and animals in various forms.
So should someone be completely vegan, or not make any difference at all? Are those the only two choices? Why can't someone make whatever difference they are able to? It sounds like Kathryn consumes less animal than probably 90% of people in the developed world, so does she really deserve this?
Glad you brought up my main point with the mentality I've had to deal with.
Rahil is an 'extremist', Kathryn..thankfully not all Vegetarians/ Vegans have the same mentality as him...
