Paul, Come To Australia
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year40:
I've always wondered/suspected that there's a sh!t list. Vancouver was on it for 40 years! Honolulu must still be on it. (...and New Mexico, Portland, Cleveland, Australia....?)
Gee, sorry Paul! Sorry only 28,000 people came to see you in Las Cruces, NM in 1993 and you only made $1 million that night for playing your songs! Sorry our promoter could only guarantee you $1 million in 2013 for a very poor state that has tens of thousands of your fans! Honestly, I have thought the same thing. I have read that Paul's ticket sales in 1993 were slow, which means they were in New Mexico too. Also, if the show did not sell out completely, which there are indications it did not, maybe that is it. I don't know. Maybe the thinking is Paul had trouble selling out in New Mexico at $35 a ticket in 1993, why risk low sales when high end tickets are $250? Why put Portland on such a list? Hasn't he always sold out there?
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He's only been here twice. Both sold out in 30 minutes. (Actually 3 times, Beatles in 1965.)
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RMartinez:
javilu:
RMartinez:
Besides, a promoter in Las Cruces, NM in 2013 offered him a concert and he turned it down.
Is there an official reason why he turned it down?
My reading of the article was money. He was offered $1 million for a show and his people said no. Yes, he is Paul McCartney and should get more. I get it! Probably the same issue with Australia. Again, other artists are willing to play these places.
For 1 million Paul will not even get out of bed! He got around 4 for each South American concert.
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javilu:
RMartinez:
javilu:
RMartinez:
Besides, a promoter in Las Cruces, NM in 2013 offered him a concert and he turned it down.
Is there an official reason why he turned it down?
My reading of the article was money. He was offered $1 million for a show and his people said no. Yes, he is Paul McCartney and should get more. I get it! Probably the same issue with Australia. Again, other artists are willing to play these places.
For 1 million Paul will not even get out of bed! He got around 4 for each South American concert.
Good for them, that they could justify those prices. Other territories aren't eager to pay such bloated prices. Doesn't mean the promoters and bookers don't try hard enough.
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nobodytoldme:
javilu:
RMartinez:
javilu:
RMartinez:
Besides, a promoter in Las Cruces, NM in 2013 offered him a concert and he turned it down.
Is there an official reason why he turned it down?
My reading of the article was money. He was offered $1 million for a show and his people said no. Yes, he is Paul McCartney and should get more. I get it! Probably the same issue with Australia. Again, other artists are willing to play these places.
For 1 million Paul will not even get out of bed! He got around 4 for each South American concert.
Good for them, that they could justify those prices. Other territories aren't eager to pay such bloated prices. Doesn't mean the promoters and bookers don't try hard enough.
Exactly. I get the capitalism of Paul going to a market where he can make $2 million instead of $1 million. Still, I would think a billionaire could take a pay cut for a bloody concert and play music for his fans in some isolated places. It is not lost on me that Charlottesville is about an hour from Richmond and Washington DC, so those markets will be drawn from. Same with Columbia which is just a couple hours drive from Charlotte NC and Atlanta, two huge markets. Albuquerque is 400 miles from any big cities like Denver or Phoenix. We are isolated.
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RMartinez:
So, Paul will play Charlottesville, VA, a town of 45,000 with a metro population of 207,000, but not play Albuquerque, NM, a city with 550,000 people and a metro population of 900,000. Or Australia. :
Looks like an Elvis tour-schedule around '76 or so.
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audi:
RMartinez:
So, Paul will play Charlottesville, VA, a town of 45,000 with a metro population of 207,000, but not play Albuquerque, NM, a city with 550,000 people and a metro population of 900,000. Or Australia. :
Looks like an Elvis tour-schedule around '76 or so.
I know!! I get the whole playing smaller markets, but what about Albuquerque and El Paso??? Birmingham AL??
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nobodytoldme:
Good for them, that they could justify those prices. Other territories aren't eager to pay such bloated prices. Doesn't mean the promoters and bookers don't try hard enough.
It's not that tickets are more expensive, it's that in South America more people attend the concerts. Brazilian and Argentine attendance was an average of 35.000 to 55.000 per show. How many tickets can you sell in a one horse town like Albuquerque (no offense meant)
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javilu:
nobodytoldme:
Good for them, that they could justify those prices. Other territories aren't eager to pay such bloated prices. Doesn't mean the promoters and bookers don't try hard enough.
It's not that tickets are more expensive, it's that in South America more people attend the concerts. Brazilian and Argentine attendance was an average of 35.000 to 55.000 per show. How many tickets can you sell in a one horse town like Albuquerque (no offense meant)
You mean a one horse town that has clean drinking water? (No offense meant).
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javilu:
nobodytoldme:
Good for them, that they could justify those prices. Other territories aren't eager to pay such bloated prices. Doesn't mean the promoters and bookers don't try hard enough.
It's not that tickets are more expensive, it's that in South America more people attend the concerts. Brazilian and Argentine attendance was an average of 35.000 to 55.000 per show. How many tickets can you sell in a one horse town like Albuquerque (no offense meant)
Well, the Rolling Stones sold 35,000 tickets here. That's 10,000 more than Paul had in Salt Lake City at the Rio Tinto stadium. We have a stadium that can accommodate 40,000 if needed. I bet he can fill it if the pricing structure was done right. By my estimate, Paul hasn't played Argentina in a while. I thought you had more than one horse down there.
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RMartinez:
Well, the Rolling Stones sold 35,000 tickets here. That's 10,000 more than Paul had in Salt Lake City at the Rio Tinto stadium. We have a stadium that can accommodate 40,000 if needed. I bet he can fill it if the pricing structure was done right. By my estimate, Paul hasn't played Argentina in a while. I thought you had more than one horse down there.
How was the Rolling Stones pricing? At an average of 200 USD per ticket a promoter can offer more than 1 million to Paul. After Cristina Kirchner's government we're left with no horses in Argentina Paul last played here in 2010, 2 concerts at River Plate Stadium for around 40k each night. Then in 2012 and 2014 he performed in uruguay which is very close to Buenos Aires so we all went there by ferry (about half the audience was Argentinian in those concerts!).
moptops:
You mean a one horse town that has clean drinking water? (No offense meant).
I don't know what you mean, in Buenos Aires and most Argentinian cities you can drink from the tap and live to tell
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javilu:
RMartinez:
Well, the Rolling Stones sold 35,000 tickets here. That's 10,000 more than Paul had in Salt Lake City at the Rio Tinto stadium. We have a stadium that can accommodate 40,000 if needed. I bet he can fill it if the pricing structure was done right. By my estimate, Paul hasn't played Argentina in a while. I thought you had more than one horse down there.
How was the Rolling Stones pricing? At an average of 200 USD per ticket a promoter can offer more than 1 million to Paul. After Cristina Kirchner's government we're left with no horses in Argentina Paul last played here in 2010, 2 concerts at River Plate Stadium for around 40k each night. Then in 2012 and 2014 he performed in uruguay which is very close to Buenos Aires so we all went there by ferry (about half the audience was Argentinian in those concerts!).
moptops:
You mean a one horse town that has clean drinking water? (No offense meant).
I don't know what you mean, in Buenos Aires and most Argentinian cities you can drink from the tap and live to tell
Rolling Stones pricing in 1997 was very different from today. You could get a field ticket for $75. I guess your point is a one horse town is too poor to afford a current McCartney tour or a Rolling Stones tour. You may be right. Or maybe the people of New Mexico and Australia know when they are being charged ten times more than they should be.
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That's not what I meant. Perhaps your city is just too small to fill up a venue at USD 250 a ticket. When Paul performs here, people come from all over the continent to attend the concerts. Remember the biggest attendance at a McCartney concert was in Rio in 1990.
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javilu:
That's not what I meant. Perhaps your city is just too small to fill up a venue at USD 250 a ticket. When Paul performs here, people come from all over the continent to attend the concerts. Remember the biggest attendance at a McCartney concert was in Rio in 1990.
Well certainly that might be the case. Still, I have to wonder why he can play Lubbock, Missoula, and Fargo. As you said, it could be something as simple as a local promoter or the city guaranteeing him his fee.
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RMartinez:
Still, I have to wonder why he can play Lubbock, Missoula, and Fargo. As you said, it could be something as simple as a local promoter or the city guaranteeing him his fee.
I think it all comes down to business. And as I said, Paul wouldn't get out of bed for a million
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javilu:
RMartinez:
Still, I have to wonder why he can play Lubbock, Missoula, and Fargo. As you said, it could be something as simple as a local promoter or the city guaranteeing him his fee.
I think it all comes down to business. And as I said, Paul wouldn't get out of bed for a million
Well, he can just stay in bed then!
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Hey RM, JPJ Arena in Charlottesville is almost exactly the same size as the Pit in ABQ, about 15,000+. So maybe there's hope yet. Of course a lot of the seats are blocked out behind the stage. Floor seats add back some of that.
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year40:
Hey RM, JPJ Arena in Charlottesville is almost exactly the same size as the Pit in ABQ, about 15,000+. So maybe there's hope yet. Of course a lot of the seats are blocked out behind the stage. Floor seats add back some of that.
Yeah, you never know. Depending on the venue, a lot of seats are lost in the configuration. For example, Elton John played the Pit on his Medusa Tour, he had a stage with a grand piano and nothing else, it was just him and lights. So seats "behind" the stage, where I sat, were actually killer! And the place was sold out, about 17,000 people. Paul's staging would cut the seating capacity down considerably.
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Here is a photo of the arena in Charlottesville where Paul is playing: http://www.vmdo.com/projects/uva_john_paul_jones/photo_03.jpg Pretty small, would be a great place to see him. We have a nice arena in Rio Rancho, but it holds 8,000 for concerts: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6DL5xqDti6s/U3wP6MBi4BI/AAAAAAAAIzo/OaaKet_elk8/s1600/2014-05-Rio-Rancho-High-School-Graduation-103.jpg
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The Pan American Center in Las Cruces (where Paul played in 1993 at Aggie Memorial Stadium) seats about 13,500: http://www.smpcarchitects.com/images/projects/education/higher-ed/NMSU/pan_02.jpg