Saturation point?
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Isnt it the case that the first week sales are sometimes discounted though given in the UK at least it doesn't take to many sales to crash into the top 5 it shpuld be the long term performance we and no doubt Pauls people are looking at
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Jeff Lynne's Beard:
I agree, Randy. The chart positions of the album don't lie!
They might not lie but they can certainly distort the view on how successful the album has been. For example......if New had gone straight to #1 in the charts everyone would have been over the moon for Paul. But then, again as an example, if it was revealed that the #2 album had sold 147 copies that week, and that the #3 album had sold 138 copies etc etc and that Paul's album had in fact sold 150 copies to make it to #1. would we then still be over the moon for Paul? Or would we be lamenting the fact that New had only sold a miserable 150 copies, despite getting to #1? In other words, chart positions are only useful in comparing relative sales figures between albums and that the position itself is no guide as to how commercially successful the album has been.
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SusyLuvsPaul:
You left out his ballet music album when listing his products in recent years, Kestrel.
Thanks Susy, that one has totally passed me by.
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New will eventually get a silver disc in the UK it's performing like Off the Ground which also struggled to get a silver disc , it too only spent 4 weeks on the UK album chart so we have been here before with a new Paul release . Even Flaming Pie and Memory Almost Full only went gold , you have to go back to Flowers in the Dirt !(1989) for Paul to achieve a platinum selling studio album in the UK . His studio albums have either gone silver or gold since then . Likewise Bowie's last platinum studio album was Lets Dance back in (1983) all his studio albums after this are either silver or gold discs in the UK . Elton's not faired much better his last platinum album was 2001 's Songs from the West Coast . Rods had four Platinum albums three with those awful songbook albums and one with Time . Pop idols Will Young is the most successful UK male solo artist this century he's had six platinum albums two of which are multi platinum , don't think Americans even no who he is ? So lets not get to upset Pauls album is performing pretty much as the rest did either silver or gold but no where near platinum status them days have gone
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Kestrel:
Jeff Lynne's Beard:
I agree, Randy. The chart positions of the album don't lie!
They might not lie but they can certainly distort the view on how successful the album has been. For example......if New had gone straight to #1 in the charts everyone would have been over the moon for Paul. But then, again as an example, if it was revealed that the #2 album had sold 147 copies that week, and that the #3 album had sold 138 copies etc etc and that Paul's album had in fact sold 150 copies to make it to #1. would we then still be over the moon for Paul? Or would we be lamenting the fact that New had only sold a miserable 150 copies, despite getting to #1? In other words, chart positions are only useful in comparing relative sales figures between albums and that the position itself is no guide as to how commercially successful the album has been.
If it had only sold 147 copies, then you may have a point, but it didn't so...
Physical sales of albums have nosedived. Artists now have to have a different measure of what makes an album a success. I'd have preferred Paul, for example, to have sold more albums than the most successful new release that week, Pearl Jam's "Lightning Bolt", but they sold more than 100,000 copies than "New". Fans have to accept that Pearl Jam (and many other artists who can't hold a candle to Paul, creatively) are just more popular these days than Macca. I think Pearl Jam's album is really very good, but it's not as good as "New". I disagree with the original premise of this thread as well. Nearly every Paul McCartney fan I know has been eagerly awaiting a new "proper" studio album. Other albums are almost like supporting features, whereas a new, self-penned album really is the main feature for us. I doubt if "saturation" of the market with Paul McCartney albums is the reason for "poor sales", if, indeed, these sales are, comparatively or realistically poor. In today's music industry, I don't think they are. -
I think he said and I think he should do a few smaller venue shows and only play the NEW tracks, then take the best of them and edit it into a nice documentary/live film. Ala "Live Kisses". Then sell it to Sky Arts to play around the clock or something, that'll boost sales like it did for the Kisses album. Worth considering MPL...
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I many not be able to explain this to the best of my ability but I will try. please also consider I am not completely sure if some of these albums or releases have had a bigger impact where you live, since in Aus, you ask anyone " Hey, know about any of Pauls stuff?", they A) wont even know what your talking about B) will ramble on about the Beatles and wings. ( unless there hard-core Beatle and Paul fans that is) You are quite correct that we have had quite a lot of releases and rereleases from Paul over the last 6 years. If anything, this was all done as a terrible, terrible business proposition... people arnt exactly getting into Paul because all of this stuff coming out has just confused them terribly. Ok ill try and explain in a bit more further detail. firstly, I don't think anyone really cared about electric arguments and good evening new York city. sure, you would get a couple of people who would want those types of albums but as far a I can rember, there was absolutely no advertising with electric arguments ( As a Beatles fan at the time, I didn't know about it) and no major advertising with good evening NYC ( I heard there was some somewhere..). plus for a more modern audience, im not sure if people like live albums anymore... cant really comment much on electric arguments since I still haven't listened to it... second, releasing the reissues at random dates at random times also wasn't the best plan. it may of sounded like a brilliant idea at the time so you could advertise each album to its maximum potential and release deluxe editions of the album but It not a good idea for a whole mainstream audience. if you look at the Beatles remasters that worked because they were all released on the same day and if you didn't want the whole box, you could buy them individually. if you do the box idea, you could still release a Deluxe box ( sure it would cost you a FORTUNE but id do it), the normal box and the deluxe and normal released albums by themselves. sure it would make us wait a lot longer while they remaster each album but releasing them all out whenever wont A) gain any fans ( I got quite a lot of people into the Beatles by getting them excited about the box) B) will make fans a bit annoyed that their favourite album still hasn't been released or that they have to wait half a year for the next one to come out. Next, the rockshow reissue. that was dealt with so so badly.... Perfectly fine remastering the movie, not so much playing in theatres and advertising the rerelease... that was done so so badly!! if only about what I can rember about 6 to maybe 10 people were in the theatre when I watched the film. and how many times did this play in cinemas? once. what helped support this? the remastered wings over America ( makes sense) with minimal advertising for the album, and that's really it. Yaaay..... compare this to Living in the material world, which had some advertising, a couple more people in cinemas ( ok there arnt that many George Harrison fans around but there were more people in that cinema) and played at least 4 times ( first time they didn't have the second part of the movie). along with this movie, unheard stuff came out, a book came out, HEAPS OF APPLE SUPPORT! I do realise that rockshow was a remastered movie as well but what's stopping it getting the material world treatment? there is so much untouched potential but they just said " stuff it" That reminds me, there have been SO SO MANY MOVIES with Paul in them that If I started to add this to the equation of this bad business plan and bad plan altogether, I would be here for 3 weeks. I have no problem with Memory almost full since that was just like one of Pauls sort of normal releases so all cool and I have said I will always see Kisses on the bottom as filler before new. Which for some WEIRD reason, kisses on the bottom got more advertising in Aus than New now! that's another story all together... If I keep on typing, Ill probably get blisters on my fingers so ill round this up. if anything, it just seems like Paul is releasing what ever he want to release in any order, probably just because he can. like he has mentioned, he cant exactly stop. as well, he might want to try and show people that he isn't just a old guy and that he does stuff... a lot of stuff at that... we already know that Paul isn't doing it for the money ( he's the richest musician in the UK, how much more do you need?) so that's why this hasn't been dealt with in a smarter fashion
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What are all these movies Paul is in that you are talking about?
And I bet Paul is the richest musician in the world. What does everyone else think? (I mean, the guy has a net worth of at least $1 billion!) -
Nancy R:
What are all these movies Paul is in that you are talking about?
And I bet Paul is the richest musician in the world. What does everyone else think? (I mean, the guy has a net worth of at least $1 billion!)Oh... that's me stuffing up... I thought in red square was a recent movie... turns out its only good evening NYC and Live Kisses.... they felt like they were sort of brushed under the rug though...
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Ring064:
I many not be able to explain this to the best of my ability but I will try. please also consider I am not completely sure if some of these albums or releases have had a bigger impact where you live, since in Aus, you ask anyone " Hey, know about any of Pauls stuff?", they A) wont even know what your talking about B) will ramble on about the Beatles and wings. ( unless there hard-core Beatle and Paul fans that is) You are quite correct that we have had quite a lot of releases and rereleases from Paul over the last 6 years. If anything, this was all done as a terrible, terrible business proposition... people arnt exactly getting into Paul because all of this stuff coming out has just confused them terribly. Ok ill try and explain in a bit more further detail. firstly, I don't think anyone really cared about electric arguments and good evening new York city. sure, you would get a couple of people who would want those types of albums but as far a I can rember, there was absolutely no advertising with electric arguments ( As a Beatles fan at the time, I didn't know about it) and no major advertising with good evening NYC ( I heard there was some somewhere..). plus for a more modern audience, im not sure if people like live albums anymore... cant really comment much on electric arguments since I still haven't listened to it... second, releasing the reissues at random dates at random times also wasn't the best plan. it may of sounded like a brilliant idea at the time so you could advertise each album to its maximum potential and release deluxe editions of the album but It not a good idea for a whole mainstream audience. if you look at the Beatles remasters that worked because they were all released on the same day and if you didn't want the whole box, you could buy them individually. if you do the box idea, you could still release a Deluxe box ( sure it would cost you a FORTUNE but id do it), the normal box and the deluxe and normal released albums by themselves. sure it would make us wait a lot longer while they remaster each album but releasing them all out whenever wont A) gain any fans ( I got quite a lot of people into the Beatles by getting them excited about the box) B) will make fans a bit annoyed that their favourite album still hasn't been released or that they have to wait half a year for the next one to come out. Next, the rockshow reissue. that was dealt with so so badly.... Perfectly fine remastering the movie, not so much playing in theatres and advertising the rerelease... that was done so so badly!! if only about what I can rember about 6 to maybe 10 people were in the theatre when I watched the film. and how many times did this play in cinemas? once. what helped support this? the remastered wings over America ( makes sense) with minimal advertising for the album, and that's really it. Yaaay..... compare this to Living in the material world, which had some advertising, a couple more people in cinemas ( ok there arnt that many George Harrison fans around but there were more people in that cinema) and played at least 4 times ( first time they didn't have the second part of the movie). along with this movie, unheard stuff came out, a book came out, HEAPS OF APPLE SUPPORT! I do realise that rockshow was a remastered movie as well but what's stopping it getting the material world treatment? there is so much untouched potential but they just said " stuff it" That reminds me, there have been SO SO MANY MOVIES with Paul in them that If I started to add this to the equation of this bad business plan and bad plan altogether, I would be here for 3 weeks. I have no problem with Memory almost full since that was just like one of Pauls sort of normal releases so all cool and I have said I will always see Kisses on the bottom as filler before new. Which for some WEIRD reason, kisses on the bottom got more advertising in Aus than New now! that's another story all together... If I keep on typing, Ill probably get blisters on my fingers so ill round this up. if anything, it just seems like Paul is releasing what ever he want to release in any order, probably just because he can. like he has mentioned, he cant exactly stop. as well, he might want to try and show people that he isn't just a old guy and that he does stuff... a lot of stuff at that... we already know that Paul isn't doing it for the money ( he's the richest musician in the UK, how much more do you need?) so that's why this hasn't been dealt with in a smarter fashion
How awesome would it have been if Paul released all the 70's albums (at least) as a full remastered package, like they did with The Beatles?... Bang, buy them in one hit....Even if we already have them all... I do think Wings Over America was actually done very well, maybe because it was such a long time in the making to get it on anything but vinyl or VHS.... I welcomed that one more than any of the remasters.... It is Paul at his vocal peak.... his concertmanship (and I know that isn't a word) peak....I should add that I did not buy the Band on the Run reissue, because that was done (I think it was in '98 as the 25 years anniversary) and it had shite loads more extra and interesting material on it than the new millennium reissue.... but I agree, the remasters in one hit would be better.
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Ring064:
Nancy R:
What are all these movies Paul is in that you are talking about?
And I bet Paul is the richest musician in the world. What does everyone else think? (I mean, the guy has a net worth of at least $1 billion!)Oh... that's me stuffing up... I thought in red square was a recent movie... turns out its only good evening NYC and Live Kisses.... they felt like they were sort of brushed under the rug though...
Those are concert videos. I thought you meant his music and/or songs in movies.
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toris:
Ring064:
I many not be able to explain this to the best of my ability but I will try. please also consider I am not completely sure if some of these albums or releases have had a bigger impact where you live, since in Aus, you ask anyone " Hey, know about any of Pauls stuff?", they A) wont even know what your talking about B) will ramble on about the Beatles and wings. ( unless there hard-core Beatle and Paul fans that is) You are quite correct that we have had quite a lot of releases and rereleases from Paul over the last 6 years. If anything, this was all done as a terrible, terrible business proposition... people arnt exactly getting into Paul because all of this stuff coming out has just confused them terribly. Ok ill try and explain in a bit more further detail. firstly, I don't think anyone really cared about electric arguments and good evening new York city. sure, you would get a couple of people who would want those types of albums but as far a I can rember, there was absolutely no advertising with electric arguments ( As a Beatles fan at the time, I didn't know about it) and no major advertising with good evening NYC ( I heard there was some somewhere..). plus for a more modern audience, im not sure if people like live albums anymore... cant really comment much on electric arguments since I still haven't listened to it... second, releasing the reissues at random dates at random times also wasn't the best plan. it may of sounded like a brilliant idea at the time so you could advertise each album to its maximum potential and release deluxe editions of the album but It not a good idea for a whole mainstream audience. if you look at the Beatles remasters that worked because they were all released on the same day and if you didn't want the whole box, you could buy them individually. if you do the box idea, you could still release a Deluxe box ( sure it would cost you a FORTUNE but id do it), the normal box and the deluxe and normal released albums by themselves. sure it would make us wait a lot longer while they remaster each album but releasing them all out whenever wont A) gain any fans ( I got quite a lot of people into the Beatles by getting them excited about the box) B) will make fans a bit annoyed that their favourite album still hasn't been released or that they have to wait half a year for the next one to come out. Next, the rockshow reissue. that was dealt with so so badly.... Perfectly fine remastering the movie, not so much playing in theatres and advertising the rerelease... that was done so so badly!! if only about what I can rember about 6 to maybe 10 people were in the theatre when I watched the film. and how many times did this play in cinemas? once. what helped support this? the remastered wings over America ( makes sense) with minimal advertising for the album, and that's really it. Yaaay..... compare this to Living in the material world, which had some advertising, a couple more people in cinemas ( ok there arnt that many George Harrison fans around but there were more people in that cinema) and played at least 4 times ( first time they didn't have the second part of the movie). along with this movie, unheard stuff came out, a book came out, HEAPS OF APPLE SUPPORT! I do realise that rockshow was a remastered movie as well but what's stopping it getting the material world treatment? there is so much untouched potential but they just said " stuff it" That reminds me, there have been SO SO MANY MOVIES with Paul in them that If I started to add this to the equation of this bad business plan and bad plan altogether, I would be here for 3 weeks. I have no problem with Memory almost full since that was just like one of Pauls sort of normal releases so all cool and I have said I will always see Kisses on the bottom as filler before new. Which for some WEIRD reason, kisses on the bottom got more advertising in Aus than New now! that's another story all together... If I keep on typing, Ill probably get blisters on my fingers so ill round this up. if anything, it just seems like Paul is releasing what ever he want to release in any order, probably just because he can. like he has mentioned, he cant exactly stop. as well, he might want to try and show people that he isn't just a old guy and that he does stuff... a lot of stuff at that... we already know that Paul isn't doing it for the money ( he's the richest musician in the UK, how much more do you need?) so that's why this hasn't been dealt with in a smarter fashion
How awesome would it have been if Paul released all the 70's albums (at least) as a full remastered package, like they did with The Beatles?... Bang, buy them in one hit....Even if we already have them all... I do think Wings Over America was actually done very well, maybe because it was such a long time in the making to get it on anything but vinyl or VHS.... I welcomed that one more than any of the remasters.... It is Paul at his vocal peak.... his concertmanship (and I know that isn't a word) peak....I should add that I did not buy the Band on the Run reissue, because that was done (I think it was in '98 as the 25 years anniversary) and it had shite loads more extra and interesting material on it than the new millennium reissue.... but I agree, the remasters in one hit would be better.
That's not a bad Idea toris! problem is, some may get fishy about not getting the 80s ( maybe the 90s ) albums as their own collection. thoes can also be done but I don't think they would sell as well... I know a lot of people that don't really like mentioning albums after Tug of War.... and in some respects, I can see why... just saying, I will never ever like Off the Ground. This is still a much much better plan to what's been going on with the reissues now. I do admit, I did welcome Wings over America but I think the thing that annoyed me the most was opening the remastered Ram and finding.... A miniature piece of paper telling me what albums I had to wait for. from memory, it read " coming next year, " Wings over America Also coming, (insert album that I don't rember the tile of )". some times, I just wish I could just help organise these things...
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SusyLuvsPaul:
You left out his ballet music album when listing his products in recent years, Kestrel. B.J. is right, "New" isn't through selling yet and will always continue to sell
Not to mention receiving the Gershwin Prize for songwriting, appearing (singing) at the Capitol and at the White House, being honored by the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts, singing at the Grammy's, performing with Nirvana, etc., etc. We've seen him/read about him almost constantly for the past six or seven years. I don't mind it, but there could be "Paul fatigue" on the part of the general public. I know there are certain people I just can't stand constantly seeing on TV or reading about in newspapers.....
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Beatles4Ever&Ever:
SusyLuvsPaul:
You left out his ballet music album when listing his products in recent years, Kestrel. B.J. is right, "New" isn't through selling yet and will always continue to sell
Not to mention receiving the Gershwin Prize for songwriting, appearing (singing) at the Capitol and at the White House, being honored by the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts, singing at the Grammy's, performing with Nirvana, etc., etc. We've seen him/read about him almost constantly for the past six or seven years. I don't mind it, but there could be "Paul fatigue" on the part of the general public. I know there are certain people I just can't stand constantly seeing on TV or reading about in newspapers.....
oh man... if I also put all of that into the analogy, id still be typing...
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Paul is too much of a force in my life. I couldn't imagine going six or seven years without hearing anything from him.
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audi:
Paul is too much of a force in my life. I couldn't imagine going six or seven years without hearing anything from him.
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we are now fighting against mother time with Paul's age; it is sorta true at his age if you don't use it (his voice) you lose it. I hope we do not have to wait til 2019 for another original Paul album - he'll be 77!
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audi:
Paul is too much of a force in my life. I couldn't imagine going six or seven years without hearing anything from him.
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audi:
Paul is too much of a force in my life. I couldn't imagine going six or seven years without hearing anything from him.
Really? Wow.
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Yes. Really.
