Is Paul McCartney out of mainstream now?
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He tries to be , but over here in the UK all the promotion in the world gets very little reward, the fact is 90% of his fan base from his heyday here in the UK have stopped buying his product.
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I think that Paul does it good with the way he make his career, not needs to be in the top all the time, he was in the top for a long time, and that's so hard, I feel lucky for to see him three times in concert, and by to know all his albums and singles...I think Paul is happy with his career, and that he is doing what he wants with his music and life...who cares mainstream?, and, by the way I have a daugther of 22, and she knows who is Paul Mc Cartney, not just cause his mom is a fans, she asked me about Beatles and Paul, when she was 14, was a big surprise for me to know that she was intersted in the music of his mother's times, and she likes Beatles and Paul...
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beatlesfanrandy:
Fly Paul Fly to Australia:
Off the Ground being the last big promotion of his solo work? I disagree. What about "Flaming Pie"? If that wasn't his biggest solo promotion and coverage for a solo album then I don't know what else was. That was massive, I was in Europe and saw the videos for the singles, he was in the press, reviews were positive, he went on Oprah, the singles were top 20 in the UK and the album nearly went #1 on both sides of the Atlantic.
He did 5 or 6 songs off Chaos and Creation during the US Tour. That was pretty heavily promoted as a I recall. Come to think of it, Starbucks did a massive PR job on Memory Almost Full too.
Yep and he even did popular daytime show In US (Ellen) and performed "Fine Line".
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I can understand the thinking. He has not dominated the radio top 40 for a long time. He is rarely on the radio in many nations. He is not nearly as trendy as whoever is the next big thing this week. But he will always be mainstream if for no other reason than he helped create what we now call the mainstream. He was not in some independent garage band that had a hit once. He was in the most influential band the world has ever known. He is the pedestal people in the mainstream hope to reach.
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al Sabah:
I can understand the thinking. He has not dominated the radio top 40 for a long time. He is rarely on the radio in many nations. He is not nearly as trendy as whoever is the next big thing this week. But he will always be mainstream if for no other reason than he helped create what we now call the mainstream. He was not in some independent garage band that had a hit once. He was in the most influential band the world has ever known. He is the pedestal people in the mainstream hope to reach.
BUT...it seems the definition of mainstream needs to be clarified. If, as you say, you are thinking about the top 40 or if you are thinking about how he was in the most important band. Mainstream to me is radio play. -
Check out Paul Ramone's new album. Its sounds very Ram-ish....
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Its sounds more like a form of retirement love doris
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oobu24:
al Sabah:
I can understand the thinking. He has not dominated the radio top 40 for a long time. He is rarely on the radio in many nations. He is not nearly as trendy as whoever is the next big thing this week. But he will always be mainstream if for no other reason than he helped create what we now call the mainstream. He was not in some independent garage band that had a hit once. He was in the most influential band the world has ever known. He is the pedestal people in the mainstream hope to reach.
BUT...it seems the definition of mainstream needs to be clarified. If, as you say, you are thinking about the top 40 or if you are thinking about how he was in the most important band. Mainstream to me is radio play.Mainstream=massive presence now through the mass media. Especially the one created by marketing, paying for receiving such attention. For instance, Bach or Mozart are not mainstream, they are kind of popular (not much compared to Justin Bieber or Rihanna) but they're not promoted at the mass media. Though they where in the past... some of the greatest music pieces ever became popular because of appearing in Hollywood movies and things like that, and they were pretty much ignored before, underground. A typical example is Pachelbel's Canon. Written in 1694. Sort of "discovered" in 1919 and went mainstream because his appearance in some mainstream movies. Now everybody knows it, it's even uploaded by default of many Windows PCs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pachelbel%27s_Canon It makes me wonder about all the beauty created out there we just don't know.
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i dont listen to the radio anymore but do they play any of his new stuff on the radio nowa day?
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blue jay hey:
i dont listen to the radio anymore but do they play any of his new stuff on the radio nowa day?
Kisses on the Bottom got some airplay on the Jazz shows here in Detroit. but other then that, it's all Beatles and solo stuff from before 1979
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Kathryn O:
blue jay hey:
i dont listen to the radio anymore but do they play any of his new stuff on the radio nowa day?
Kisses on the Bottom got some airplay on the Jazz shows here in Detroit. but other then that, it's all Beatles and solo stuff from before 1979
They just played the sirvana song. It is supposed to be new music hour. Very cool to hear it played.
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oobu24:
Kathryn O:
blue jay hey:
i dont listen to the radio anymore but do they play any of his new stuff on the radio nowa day?
Kisses on the Bottom got some airplay on the Jazz shows here in Detroit. but other then that, it's all Beatles and solo stuff from before 1979
They just played the sirvana song. It is supposed to be new music hour. Very cool to hear it played.
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I think the notion that mainstream = "massive presence in the mainstream media" is fundamentally flawed. Only a relatively few musical artists -- invariably young or youngish and hot at the moment -- have a massive media presence. By that standard, no older artist is mainstream, and I think that's nonsensical. But it is a fact that pop music is a youth-focused world, and just as the Beatles had a much bigger media presence in the '60s than Bing Crosby, the Andrews Sisters or Kay Kyser, today Justin Bieber or Rihanna will have a bigger presence than Paul (or the Stones, Eric Clapton, etc., etc.). You could say much the same about movie stars -- e.g. Robert Redford vs. Matt Damon.
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Ya' know, Bruce...you sho' can lay down some law.
But I'll this: By ANY and EVERY standard, Paul McCartney is in the mainstream. -
Paul McCartney has never been out of the mainstream when it comes to quality musical expression and talent. Young people always gravitate toward their own generation, to not do so they would be alienating themselves from their peers. They always find some niche to hang their hat on (so to speak). Unfortunately, ever since the late seventies, the music business has squandered "real" musicians, songwriters and producers talents because it makes the elite more money by dictating musical fads rather than paying for talent. Over the years, very few musical celebrities have been able to weather these dictator's. It's a testament to McCartney's monumental musical gifts that these elitists, and technology has not been able to hinder his output.
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oobu24:
Kathryn O:
blue jay hey:
i dont listen to the radio anymore but do they play any of his new stuff on the radio nowa day?
Kisses on the Bottom got some airplay on the Jazz shows here in Detroit. but other then that, it's all Beatles and solo stuff from before 1979
They just played the sirvana song. It is supposed to be new music hour. Very cool to hear it played.
oh wow and thanx for answering and i beleive it about the sirvana song
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21st Century Paul:
Mainstream=massive presence now through the mass media. Especially the one created by marketing, paying for receiving such attention. For instance, Bach or Mozart are not mainstream, they are kind of popular (not much compared to Justin Bieber or Rihanna) but they're not promoted at the mass media.
People like Bach do not need to be promoted. He is the standard by which all modern composers are compared just as Paul is the standard by which all current singers are compared. Justin Bieber needs to be promoted because most of us would have no idea who he is otherwise, and today's record companies do not consider anyone a success unless they are overexposed. If his career survives, the next generation will ask if he is still in the mainstream while his fans argue that he is the voice of their generation.
21st Century Paul:
It makes me wonder about all the beauty created out there we just don't know.
I think some of the most talented artists will never be well known.
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al Sabah:
21st Century Paul:
Mainstream=massive presence now through the mass media. Especially the one created by marketing, paying for receiving such attention. For instance, Bach or Mozart are not mainstream, they are kind of popular (not much compared to Justin Bieber or Rihanna) but they're not promoted at the mass media.
People like Bach do not need to be promoted. He is the standard by which all modern composers are compared just as Paul is the standard by which all current singers are compared. Justin Bieber needs to be promoted because most of us would have no idea who he is otherwise, and today's record companies do not consider anyone a success unless they are overexposed. If his career survives, the next generation will ask if he is still in the mainstream while his fans argue that he is the voice of their generation.
21st Century Paul:
It makes me wonder about all the beauty created out there we just don't know.
Yes, Bach doesn't need to be promoted now in 2013, but his music was pretty much ignored in his lifetime, think of all the world didn't hear and Bach just could not show but only a few. Though I'm wrong in saying Bach or Mozart are not mainstream, they surely ARE, their music appears on commercials and movies, and that's pretty much why milions know some of their "hits" or so... (that never were hits really...)
I think some of the most talented artists will never be well known
I would really like to know how many genius are we missing, if 10 % of them 50 % of them 90 %... The "ignorance" in the past for years (sometimes centuries) of HUGE, BASIC pieces (all Bach, for a start or all Shakespeare...), not just "great" or good, makes me think of we miss more than the 90 % of the best stuff. Let's Bach a little... Back to Bach
this one is not so popular but I've always have a thing for it Erbarme dich, mein Gott -kind of "Have mercy upon me, my God "
"The father of music"
