Paul McCartney's complex rhythm/drum patterns
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Was there a court case about this? Is it a legal issue?
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HaileyMcComet:
Was there a court case about this? Is it a legal issue?
No there wasn't... I think this is an translation error with the word 'appellant'; gonna check that... Thanks for your comment!
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Hendrix Ibsen:
I think the music of McCartney has a playfulness. it is not generic. To me he seems intuitive, he is not bound by rules. But he is a songwriter, so you don't play like crazy either, like a jam session, well, unless it's exactly what the song requires. One clothes the song in a way, with a kind of feeling for what it needs to work for what it is. Sometimes he plays everything himself, other times it's the band. McCartney can experiment, but he's also pop... Well, I have no idea. It's just my imagination.
I think you downplay McCartney's awareness of his music's technicality, though.
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Listen to Abe's drumming on "Another Day" beginning around 01:37. Brilliant:
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audi:
Hendrix Ibsen:
I think the music of McCartney has a playfulness. it is not generic. To me he seems intuitive, he is not bound by rules. But he is a songwriter, so you don't play like crazy either, like a jam session, well, unless it's exactly what the song requires. One clothes the song in a way, with a kind of feeling for what it needs to work for what it is. Sometimes he plays everything himself, other times it's the band. McCartney can experiment, but he's also pop... Well, I have no idea. It's just my imagination.
I think you downplay McCartney's awareness of his music's technicality, though.
Yeah, don't misunderstand me. I don't think he paint by numbers or anything. I find his music surprising not obvious.
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Love that about him. That was also the recipe that made The Beatles tunes stand out.
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The Eggman67:
HaileyMcComet:
The Eggman67:
A few weeks before this thread, I wrote a blog on Macca's drumming. The English version is published now at Maccazine: http://mccartneymaccazine.com/drummer-boy-mccartney/
What does this mean? "Lennon appellant never made this statement."?
i That means that the statement 'How could Ringo be the best drummer in the world, if he is not even the best drummer of the Beatles' wasn't made by John. As far as I could find out the quote comes from a British comedian, made in 1983. Three years after Lennons death.
Jasper Carrot.
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Ah. I've learned a couple things today.
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Hipsters and other people who don't know any better like to say The Beatles were not great musicians. I think we all know how wrong that is.
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The Eggman67:
A few weeks before this thread, I wrote a blog on Macca's drumming. The English version is published now at Maccazine: http://mccartneymaccazine.com/drummer-boy-mccartney/
Great blog, but you should have mentioned Paul's collaboration with Steve Miller in 1969. Paul co-wrote 2 very good songs with Miller, My Dark Hour and Celebration Song, and Paul played aggressive drum fills on both songs. Perhaps his greatest work as a drummer. It came after a heated argument with the other 3, so that could explain the aggressive style!
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It can be difficult to define exactly what is a great musician. Technical brilliance is not necessarily everything. I think The Beatles recorded their songs with playfulness and good taste in instrumentation. The combination was innovative in the 60s. In the early 70s took the virtuosos in progressive rock and fushion more or less over with bands like Yes and Emerson, Lake & Palmer and musicians who were classically trained. Whether this sounds better or worse is possibly taste or pleasure.
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JoeySmith:
The Eggman67:
A few weeks before this thread, I wrote a blog on Macca's drumming. The English version is published now at Maccazine: http://mccartneymaccazine.com/drummer-boy-mccartney/
Great blog, but you should have mentioned Paul's collaboration with Steve Miller in 1969. Paul co-wrote 2 very good songs with Miller, My Dark Hour and Celebration Song, and Paul played aggressive drum fills on both songs. Perhaps his greatest work as a drummer. It came after a heated argument with the other 3, so that could explain the aggressive style!
Thanks for your comment. Didn't know about Paul's drumming with Steve Miller, otherwise I certainly would have mentioned it. Always nice to learn something new
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The Eggman67:
JoeySmith:
The Eggman67:
A few weeks before this thread, I wrote a blog on Macca's drumming. The English version is published now at Maccazine: http://mccartneymaccazine.com/drummer-boy-mccartney/
Great blog, but you should have mentioned Paul's collaboration with Steve Miller in 1969. Paul co-wrote 2 very good songs with Miller, My Dark Hour and Celebration Song, and Paul played aggressive drum fills on both songs. Perhaps his greatest work as a drummer. It came after a heated argument with the other 3, so that could explain the aggressive style!
Thanks for your comment. Didn't know about Paul's drumming with Steve Miller, otherwise I certainly would have mentioned it. Always nice to learn something new
Here is more information about those sessions & the actual songs:
Celebration Song: -
HaileyMcComet:
Hipsters and other people who don't know any better like to say The Beatles were not great musicians. I think we all know how wrong that is.
Hipsters, as they are called are just kids growing up. Think they know it all and have no time for exploring, questioning, learning, researching, comparing... Think that what they like is all that counts. We all went through that stage. I laugh at people like that, cos when they grow up they see "nothing's new under the sun" as John once said. The wheel turns.
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JoeySmith:
The Eggman67:
JoeySmith:
The Eggman67:
A few weeks before this thread, I wrote a blog on Macca's drumming. The English version is published now at Maccazine: http://mccartneymaccazine.com/drummer-boy-mccartney/
Great blog, but you should have mentioned Paul's collaboration with Steve Miller in 1969. Paul co-wrote 2 very good songs with Miller, My Dark Hour and Celebration Song, and Paul played aggressive drum fills on both songs. Perhaps his greatest work as a drummer. It came after a heated argument with the other 3, so that could explain the aggressive style!
Thanks for your comment. Didn't know about Paul's drumming with Steve Miller, otherwise I certainly would have mentioned it. Always nice to learn something new
Here is more information about those sessions & the actual songs:
Celebration Song:
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JoeySmith:
Here is more information about those sessions & the actual songs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World_%28Steve_Miller_Band_album%29
According to that site, two people played bass and two people played drums on Celebration Song.
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moptops:
HaileyMcComet:
Hipsters and other people who don't know any better like to say The Beatles were not great musicians. I think we all know how wrong that is.
Hipsters, as they are called are just kids growing up. Think they know it all and have no time for exploring, questioning, learning, researching, comparing... Think that what they like is all that counts. We all went through that stage. I laugh at people like that, cos when they grow up they see "nothing's new under the sun" as John once said. The wheel turns.
Very similar to the "goth" crowd, who were the hipsters of my era. And I laughed at 'em, too -- well, not directly at them. Didn't want to be a jerk just because some people were incapable of fitting in on their own merits. But, like hipsters (who were, supposedly, counter-culture non-conformists) they all dressed alike, talked alike, ate alike, judged alike and even walked alike. True individualists.
However, to the goth crowd's credit: At least, when they wore eye-glasses, their frames actually had lenses. -
I never been much of a hipster but I've had a toe or three in their water at times. I can't just listen to mainstream music on the charts. It would bore me to death. I think the 80s when I was growing up "the hipsters" listened to The Smiths and The Cure. And I thought that was a pretty good chcoice.
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And while I'm on a roll: I'd like to apply the same regard (or lack thereof) for hipsters to why I scoff at the institution of fraternities. OK ... self-glorifying rant over.
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Yeah, like if you released a record and topped the Billboard Indie charts and you'd say; no thanks, no hipsters are welcome in my AUDIence...
