Paul's opinion on Brexit ?
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HaileyMcComet:
Eeee Cor Blimey:
Yes but that is your own country making your own laws. Not the same thing at all as a continent setting laws for an individual country. If people don't live here they don't get it.. (edit to add your post though to me goes and shows what i feel many in the states have thought for years - which is they think of the US and all it's states as the same as Europe and all it's countries. We are countries, independent countries..)
A lot of Americans consider their state a separate, independent country, and don't like the federal government making laws for them. Part of the US had a brexit in 1860. I guess it would be a sexit. It didn't work out too well.
"sexit" (or a "stexit?) Yours is funnier!
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HaileyMcComet:
Eeee Cor Blimey:
Yes but that is your own country making your own laws. Not the same thing at all as a continent setting laws for an individual country. If people don't live here they don't get it.. (edit to add your post though to me goes and shows what i feel many in the states have thought for years - which is they think of the US and all it's states as the same as Europe and all it's countries. We are countries, independent countries..)
A lot of Americans consider their state a separate, independent country, and don't like the federal government making laws for them. Part of the US had a brexit in 1860. I guess it would be a sexit. It didn't work out too well.
The Civil War as history recalls. Now they are saying that the Brexit may lead to the state of Texas voting on seceding from the U.S. (Texas was an independent nation once), and that they would be in the top 10 of the world economy. Interesting times.
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Eeee Cor Blimey:
beatlesfanrandy:
Eeee Cor Blimey:
I do find it strange it's the people who don't even live in the UK (or Europe for that matter) that in this thread seem to be saying it's a disaster and that we're all too thick/naive to be allowed that choice... Can i just say people voted not just about money - it's not all about money. Many were sick of the EU making rules, such as the lightbulbs, vacs, with hair dryers next! Would you in the states like another body tell you you could no longer make or sell a vacuum cleaner that is any more powerful than 1600 watts with a 900 watts rule to come next year?! https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/21/anger-as-eu-bans-most-powerful-vacuum-cleaners Most people were 2100 btw.. Anyway, little things like that have piled up, many feel so pissed off with the EU setting up rules and laws for the UK, rather than allow our own leaders to do so. Not saying what i voted for, just cos i did this post doesn't mean i was out, nor in, but just wanted to point out it's not all about the pound. The pound will come back up again in time.
This happens in the U.S. all the time. Especially laws about stricter environmental standards, plumbing standards, Air conditioning standards, more efficient lightbulbs, appliances, you name it. Most of it starts in California, and eventually the rest of the U.S. will follow. It's been happening here for years. That's what the EU is all about. Being a union, not separate. I think it's too bad the vote was to separate, and will not be good for Britain in the long run.
Yes but that is your own country making your own laws. Not the same thing at all as a continent setting laws for an individual country. If people don't live here they don't get it.. (edit to add your post though to me goes and shows what i feel many in the states have thought for years - which is they think of the US and all it's states as the same as Europe and all it's countries. We are countries, independent countries..)
I know they are independent countries in the EU. But States in the U.S. have their own laws and also want to have autonomy from the Federal Govt. There are two states that have legalized Marijuana, and others are about to follow suit. The Federal Gov't has not acknowleged it, but it's only a matter of time. The EU and the US are similar in the respect that there is a common currency. It's also similar to the 53 member Commonwealth of Nations. There is obviously something positive in that "union" as well or it would not still exist. I'm sure it's not just to have the Queen as a figurehead. Just a thought.
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beatlesfanrandy:
The EU and the US are similar in the respect that there is a common currency.
But remember the UK never had the same currency as the rest of the EU.
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Reported on CNBC today: " The U.K.'s referendum to leave the European Union was a costly decision in more ways than one. Worldwide markets hemorrhaged more than $2 trillion in paper wealth on Friday, according to data from S&P Global, the worst on record. For context, that figure eclipsed the whipsaw trading sessions of the 2008 financial crisis, according to S&P analyst Howard Silverblatt. The prior one day sell-off record was $1.9 trillion back in September of 2008... "Brexit is the biggest global monetary shock since 2008," said David Beckworth, a scholar at the Mercatus Center at George Mason University..."This could be the tipping point that turns the existing global slowdown of 2016 into a global recession." It seems the vote to exit may not have the desired effect. The Pound is Sinking indeed!
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I wish I thought enough to purchase some gold on Thursday:-)
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Macca expresses himself so well--I'd heard that theory about the wars, too, that he mentioned. Overall this vote doesn't seem like such a good thing. Seems alarming. Hope they re-vote on this imperative issue
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beatlesfanrandy:
Reported on CNBC today: " The U.K.'s referendum to leave the European Union was a costly decision in more ways than one. Worldwide markets hemorrhaged more than $2 trillion in paper wealth on Friday, according to data from S&P Global, the worst on record. For context, that figure eclipsed the whipsaw trading sessions of the 2008 financial crisis, according to S&P analyst Howard Silverblatt. The prior one day sell-off record was $1.9 trillion back in September of 2008... "Brexit is the biggest global monetary shock since 2008," said David Beckworth, a scholar at the Mercatus Center at George Mason University..."This could be the tipping point that turns the existing global slowdown of 2016 into a global recession." It seems the vote to exit may not have the desired effect. The Pound is Sinking indeed!
It's a typical knee-jerk reaction by stock markets. They just don't like anything that upsets the status quo. I don't think it's based on anything real. It's just fear of the unknown. Usually these kinds downturns are short term until investors realize it's not the end of the world. Same thing with the pound I think there will be a correction upwards once the immediate shock has subsided.
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Apollo C. Vermouth:
beatlesfanrandy:
Reported on CNBC today: " The U.K.'s referendum to leave the European Union was a costly decision in more ways than one. Worldwide markets hemorrhaged more than $2 trillion in paper wealth on Friday, according to data from S&P Global, the worst on record. For context, that figure eclipsed the whipsaw trading sessions of the 2008 financial crisis, according to S&P analyst Howard Silverblatt. The prior one day sell-off record was $1.9 trillion back in September of 2008... "Brexit is the biggest global monetary shock since 2008," said David Beckworth, a scholar at the Mercatus Center at George Mason University..."This could be the tipping point that turns the existing global slowdown of 2016 into a global recession." It seems the vote to exit may not have the desired effect. The Pound is Sinking indeed!
It's a typical knee-jerk reaction by stock markets. They just don't like anything that upsets the status quo. I don't think it's based on anything real. It's just fear of the unknown. Usually these kinds downturns are short term until investors realize it's not the end of the world. Same thing with the pound I think there will be a correction upwards once the immediate shock has subsided.
but there is going to be uncertainty for a while until it's decided who will replace Cameron as PM and when Article 50 will actually be enacted. so the UK economy will probably slow down until there is definite direction, Ive heard.
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Interesting and emotive thread to see on here. Worryingly I think the single issue that carried the most sway with voters, wasn't economics but immigration. The referendum campaign produced a rising tide of racism and hostility to migrant communities and for that reason I hope that Paul's natural inclination was to remain. A possible consequence of the referendum is the break up of Great Britain - Scotland and Northern Ireland voted in favour of remaining in E.U., so there is now talk of the reunification of Ireland and a second referendum on independence in Scotland. Pandora's box has been opened.
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Damn! We already got our plane tickets to London. Could have saved $500 each if we'd waited! I don't think we were even aware of Brexit when we got the tickets in May.
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A new Net headline declares Paul was "too confused about Brexit to vote" -- he wasn't the only one confused about that !
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Jock Tamson:
Interesting and emotive thread to see on here. Worryingly I think the single issue that carried the most sway with voters, wasn't economics but immigration. The referendum campaign produced a rising tide of racism and hostility to migrant communities and for that reason I hope that Paul's natural inclination was to remain. A possible consequence of the referendum is the break up of Great Britain - Scotland and Northern Ireland voted in favour of remaining in E.U., so there is now talk of the reunification of Ireland and a second referendum on independence in Scotland. Pandora's box has been opened.
I want Scotland to revisit independence just to see what happens. If Northern Ireland and Gibraltar leave as well, that might be scary.
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Nancy R:
Damn! We already got our plane tickets to London. Could have saved $500 each if we'd waited! I don't think we were even aware of Brexit when we got the tickets in May.
Sometimes it's better to wait until the last minute.
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HaileyMcComet:
Nancy R:
Damn! We already got our plane tickets to London. Could have saved $500 each if we'd waited! I don't think we were even aware of Brexit when we got the tickets in May.
Sometimes it's better to wait until the last minute.
Not when it comes to multi-city flights to the U.K. We did wait until 3 months prior to the trip, which in my book is practically "last-minute!" And when we booked there was only one flight left leaving Manchester on the 31st! So we were too nervous to wait any longer. Like I said, had no clue about Brexit then.
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Nancy R:
HaileyMcComet:
Nancy R:
Damn! We already got our plane tickets to London. Could have saved $500 each if we'd waited! I don't think we were even aware of Brexit when we got the tickets in May.
Sometimes it's better to wait until the last minute.
Not when it comes to multi-city flights to the U.K. We did wait until 3 months prior to the trip, which in my book is practically "last-minute!" And when we booked there was only one flight left leaving Manchester on the 31st! So we were too nervous to wait any longer. Like I said, had no clue about Brexit then.
Agreed, there are just some trips you can't wait until the last minute to buy plane tickets for. My flight to the UK is a bit cheaper now as well, but with so many other things to plan for (hotel, etc) sometimes you have to make sure your plane tickets are taken care of first.
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What do plane tickets have to do with this world shaking event?!
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beatlesfanrandy:
What do plane tickets have to do with this world shaking event?!
Because of this event prices have come down on airfare and hotels in the UK. At least for now.
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beatlesfanrandy:
What do plane tickets have to do with this world shaking event?!
The value of the pound went from $1.44 to $1.32, and to encourage tourism, they lowered the cost of the flights to the U.K.
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Paul may been been undecided, but Ringo seems to have made up his mind on the subject: http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/ringo-starr-say-brexit-you-11559412