Flaming Pie has aged very well - 20 year anniversary
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Nancy R:
yankeefan7:
B J Conlee:
yankeefan7:
B J Conlee:
One think that is good about discussing various albums is that you get a chance to see what other fans (and I consider the regulars here to be "real and fair" McCartney fans) think of Macca's overall music throughout his entire career. There are some people (and critics for that matter) who just dismiss McCartney's Post Beatles' career. I think the people here look at Paul fairly and point out the good and great as well as the mediocre and even poor elements of Paul's discography. Many here are real students of Mr. McCartney as compared to others who just have "fixed" opinions or just go along with popular thought without examining the real facts. I must admit that I was a little surprised about many of the reactions towards Flaming Pie. I tend to rate FP (the complete album) higher than others here. Obviously these are just opinions (there are no right or wrongs here) but I do see better from this thread some of the down sides of FP. Except for Really Love You, I can go through Pie non-stop and like the album a lot. I like even the 3-4 average tracks (with the one exception above) so I put it at a higher level than most ( here or beyond). Perhaps I'm a bigger fan of Steve Miller than most. I see it as a really consistent album but it is clear that I'm not in the majority here and that is fine. I find it fun discussing the merits (both good and bad) of Paul's albums. The "consistency" of an album is another basis of comparison. It does seem that many here feel that "Chaos" is Paul's most consistent SOLO album. In this case, I'm thinking of albums from Tug of War onward. I tend to agree with that opinion also. As Yankeefan mentioned, Chaos was flawless from a track to track basis...no clunkers and all good. It got me thinking however, that as good as Chaos is, I think the best songs on FP are slightly better than the best songs on Chaos. I think that also may be true for Tug of War and MAF. The great songs on all three are really great where the highlights on Chaos (Jenny Wren, Fine Line, Too Much Rain and others) are more "good to very good". Does anybody understand what I'm saying here and what do you think.
I understand your point that while CHAOS may be consistently better than an album like FP but I disagree that the highlights of CHAOS are not as good as the highlights on the other three albums you mentioned. I think "How Kind Of You", "Promise To You Girl", "Riding To Vanity Fair" and "Too Much Rain" are as good or better than anything on "Tug Of War", "MAF" or "Flaming Pie".
____________________________________________________ Yankeefan. This is like trying to say who was better...Mantle or Mays. They were both GREAT! One thing where we definitely agree...In all those years where Paul was touring heavily (from 2002 on) and where his voice was still good to great, he skipped over so many terrific Solo songs in favor of playing the same Beatle songs time and time again. As I said, it was just so easy for him to go that route. Unfortunately so many people who like music (and even liked the Beatles a lot) don't know his Solo stuff to a huge degree. Not playing a song like Promise to You Girl is just criminal. If I was grading Chaos tracks, I would probably have Jenny Wren and This Never Happened Before at 10's and the ones you mentioned at 9's or 9.5 They are still all terrific songs. Again, we're back to trying to say who was better...Mantle, Mays, Williams etc. When you look at Paul's Beatle career, I think he was judged fairly because the Beatles were (and rightfully so) put on the highest pedestal. Everyone knows Paul's greatest Beatle songs...Yesterday, Here There & Everywhere, Let It Be, Long & Winding Road, Get Back, For No One. I Will etc. etc. There are certain Paul Solo songs that I put on that level. Besides Maybe I'm Amazed and Band on the Run, I would include Wanderlust, Tug of War, Take It Away, Little Willow, Calico Skies, Beautiful Night, Put It There, Jenny Wren, End of the End and surely a few others that I'm missing. I just think that Tug of War and Flaming Pie had a few more of those special songs than his other albums. Then again, we're trying to compare Mantle, Mays, DiMaggio, Williams etc. They are all great!
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B J Conlee:
yankeefan7:
B J Conlee:
One think that is good about discussing various albums is that you get a chance to see what other fans (and I consider the regulars here to be "real and fair" McCartney fans) think of Macca's overall music throughout his entire career. There are some people (and critics for that matter) who just dismiss McCartney's Post Beatles' career. I think the people here look at Paul fairly and point out the good and great as well as the mediocre and even poor elements of Paul's discography. Many here are real students of Mr. McCartney as compared to others who just have "fixed" opinions or just go along with popular thought without examining the real facts. I must admit that I was a little surprised about many of the reactions towards Flaming Pie. I tend to rate FP (the complete album) higher than others here. Obviously these are just opinions (there are no right or wrongs here) but I do see better from this thread some of the down sides of FP. Except for Really Love You, I can go through Pie non-stop and like the album a lot. I like even the 3-4 average tracks (with the one exception above) so I put it at a higher level than most ( here or beyond). Perhaps I'm a bigger fan of Steve Miller than most. I see it as a really consistent album but it is clear that I'm not in the majority here and that is fine. I find it fun discussing the merits (both good and bad) of Paul's albums. The "consistency" of an album is another basis of comparison. It does seem that many here feel that "Chaos" is Paul's most consistent SOLO album. In this case, I'm thinking of albums from Tug of War onward. I tend to agree with that opinion also. As Yankeefan mentioned, Chaos was flawless from a track to track basis...no clunkers and all good. It got me thinking however, that as good as Chaos is, I think the best songs on FP are slightly better than the best songs on Chaos. I think that also may be true for Tug of War and MAF. The great songs on all three are really great where the highlights on Chaos (Jenny Wren, Fine Line, Too Much Rain and others) are more "good to very good". Does anybody understand what I'm saying here and what do you think.
I understand your point that while CHAOS may be consistently better than an album like FP but I disagree that the highlights of CHAOS are not as good as the highlights on the other three albums you mentioned. I think "How Kind Of You", "Promise To You Girl", "Riding To Vanity Fair" and "Too Much Rain" are as good or better than anything on "Tug Of War", "MAF" or "Flaming Pie".
____________________________________________________ Yankeefan. This is like trying to say who was better...Mantle or Mays. They were both GREAT! One thing where we definitely agree...In all those years where Paul was touring heavily (from 2002 on) and where his voice was still good to great, he skipped over so many terrific Solo songs in favor of playing the same Beatle songs time and time again. As I said, it was just so easy for him to go that route. Unfortunately so many people who like music (and even liked the Beatles a lot) don't know his Solo stuff to a huge degree. Not playing a song like Promise to You Girl is just criminal. If I was grading Chaos tracks, I would probably have Jenny Wren and This Never Happened Before at 10's and the ones you mentioned at 9's or 9.5 They are still all terrific songs. Again, we're back to trying to say who was better...Mantle, Mays, Williams etc. When you look at Paul's Beatle career, I think he was judged fairly because the Beatles were (and rightfully so) put on the highest pedestal. Everyone knows Paul's greatest Beatle songs...Yesterday, Here There & Everywhere, Let It Be, Long & Winding Road, Get Back, For No One. I Will etc. etc. There are certain Paul Solo songs that I put on that level. Besides Maybe I'm Amazed and Band on the Run, I would include Wanderlust, Tug of War, Take It Away, Little Willow, Calico Skies, Beautiful Night, Put It There, Jenny Wren, End of the End and surely a few others that I'm missing. I just think that Tug of War and Flaming Pie had a few more of those special songs than his other albums. Then again, we're trying to compare Mantle, Mays, DiMaggio, Williams etc. They are all great!
Haven't posted in a while, but thought I'd chime in here, as I just listened to both "Flaming Pie" and "Chaos and Creation in the Backyard" earlier today on my drive back to NYC from Baltimore (with some Tom Jones sprinkled in there for good measure, lol). I'm not exactly sure why, because both of these albums have a very distinct vibe, but I've always felt that "Chaos" was an extension of the "Flaming Pie" sound. It's probably due to the simple, beautifully organic production on both of these records; none of the songs sound "over-produced", and I think it's no coincidence that most of the arrangements feature acoustic instruments (with Paul playing the majority of them, at that). The albums also mirror each other in the way that they feature similar themes that run throughout the lyrics - the tone's are somber and more reflective, which, as was previously mentioned, was surely to do with Linda's illness, death, and also the infamous divorce from H.M. that followed years later. BJ, I agree with you on pretty much all of your points about "Flaming Pie". On the whole, I don't think the three songs previously mentioned ("If You Wanna", "Used to Be Bad", & "Really Love You"), although they are generally considered the weakest of the bunch, detract from how great this album is. Personally, the only song I would have cut is "Really Love You", as I really do enjoy the other two. "If You Wanna" might go on a little too long, but I was definitely grooving to it on the drive, and I also love how loose Paul and Steve Miller sound on "Used to Be Bad" (really dig the snare sound on that song). I also agree that it was a missed opportunity for him to play some of these incredible songs live, I would have loved to have seen him do "Young Boy", "The World Tonight", "Promise to You Girl", "Anyway", etc. Your Willie Mays & Mickey Mantle analogy is spot on! I find both records to be great (they were both nominated for the coveted "Album of the Year" Grammy, after all), and I've always considered both to be in his top 5 greatest albums.
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B J Conlee:
Nancy R:
B J Conlee:
Bruce M.:
So glad to hear your surgery went well, BJ! Hope things continue to go smoothly.
Thanks Bruce. I have to go back today where the Doctor has to close the wound permanently. The fact that he didn't have to go too deep is a big plus I hope. Got me thinking about the old expression...those were the good old days! When it comes to medicine, those weren't the good old days. Can you imagine a 100 years ago when they didn't have the local anesthesia that they have today. Nancy knows more about that than the rest of us. Anyway, I'm a woos (whatever the word is) so thank God I was born in the modern era. No wonder people became addicted to alcohol. That's all they had in those days. Once I got that shot, I ddn't feel a thing thank God. It's certainly more fun talking "all things Beatles".
I believe the term is "wuss!" http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wuss Some info on local anesthesia you might find interesting: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19488537
_______________________________________________ Nancy, As usual, you are a fountain of knowledge. After my 2nd day of this MOHS surgery, I feel like I need some cocaine (see 2nd short article) I am definitely a "wuss" today but for good reason. After yesterday going so well, I thought today would be a breeze....NOT The "restoration and repair" phase was a whole lot worse. My first sign of the type of day I was going to have is when the nurse was taking off the bandage that was around my ear. Never knew that the ear was so sensitive to tape removal. Then the nurse gave me some more shots around the ear. It was probably good that I did;t think I would get shots today since I did sleep fairly well last night. Anyway, I toughened up and absorb my punishment like a man (In reality I am a wuss). Next the Doctor came in. He was nice and extremely thorough (Maybe too thorough!). Anyway to my extreme chagrin, he gave me a couple of more shots. To restore my ear area from the surgery, he took some of my skin from my face (where sideburns would grow) which I guess is why he needed to expand the local anesthesia. While that wasn't pleasant, at least I didn't have any pain while he was inserting the stitches. The only problem right now is when the anesthesia wore off. The pain is similar to the last time I had root canal when the novacaine wore off. Not good at all. Sorry to complain to my friends on this site, but I just felt the need to blow off some steam. But as I said yesterday, I really shouldn't complain. While I am in some pain now, the bigger picture is that they got the cancer out that could potentially cause a lot more problems down the road. I should be very thankful for that. The Nurses and Doctor could not have been nicer. If I was better with technology, I would send you a picture that one of the nurses took. That would be funny...I look like a nun. The only thing you see is my interior face. Everything else (head and ears) is covered by bandages. And no one would mistake me for a cute nun...that's for sure. I'm just hoping that I feel better by Monday.
Oh my So sorry to hear of your MOHS surgery. Sending healing thoughts and prayers your way!! Please let us know how you're healing up! I've seen some very good results after healing from this type of surgery... All the best to you for a quick healing BJ
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Anthony B.:
B J Conlee:
yankeefan7:
B J Conlee:
One think that is good about discussing various albums is that you get a chance to see what other fans (and I consider the regulars here to be "real and fair" McCartney fans) think of Macca's overall music throughout his entire career. There are some people (and critics for that matter) who just dismiss McCartney's Post Beatles' career. I think the people here look at Paul fairly and point out the good and great as well as the mediocre and even poor elements of Paul's discography. Many here are real students of Mr. McCartney as compared to others who just have "fixed" opinions or just go along with popular thought without examining the real facts. I must admit that I was a little surprised about many of the reactions towards Flaming Pie. I tend to rate FP (the complete album) higher than others here. Obviously these are just opinions (there are no right or wrongs here) but I do see better from this thread some of the down sides of FP. Except for Really Love You, I can go through Pie non-stop and like the album a lot. I like even the 3-4 average tracks (with the one exception above) so I put it at a higher level than most ( here or beyond). Perhaps I'm a bigger fan of Steve Miller than most. I see it as a really consistent album but it is clear that I'm not in the majority here and that is fine. I find it fun discussing the merits (both good and bad) of Paul's albums. The "consistency" of an album is another basis of comparison. It does seem that many here feel that "Chaos" is Paul's most consistent SOLO album. In this case, I'm thinking of albums from Tug of War onward. I tend to agree with that opinion also. As Yankeefan mentioned, Chaos was flawless from a track to track basis...no clunkers and all good. It got me thinking however, that as good as Chaos is, I think the best songs on FP are slightly better than the best songs on Chaos. I think that also may be true for Tug of War and MAF. The great songs on all three are really great where the highlights on Chaos (Jenny Wren, Fine Line, Too Much Rain and others) are more "good to very good". Does anybody understand what I'm saying here and what do you think.
I understand your point that while CHAOS may be consistently better than an album like FP but I disagree that the highlights of CHAOS are not as good as the highlights on the other three albums you mentioned. I think "How Kind Of You", "Promise To You Girl", "Riding To Vanity Fair" and "Too Much Rain" are as good or better than anything on "Tug Of War", "MAF" or "Flaming Pie".
____________________________________________________ Yankeefan. This is like trying to say who was better...Mantle or Mays. They were both GREAT! One thing where we definitely agree...In all those years where Paul was touring heavily (from 2002 on) and where his voice was still good to great, he skipped over so many terrific Solo songs in favor of playing the same Beatle songs time and time again. As I said, it was just so easy for him to go that route. Unfortunately so many people who like music (and even liked the Beatles a lot) don't know his Solo stuff to a huge degree. Not playing a song like Promise to You Girl is just criminal. If I was grading Chaos tracks, I would probably have Jenny Wren and This Never Happened Before at 10's and the ones you mentioned at 9's or 9.5 They are still all terrific songs. Again, we're back to trying to say who was better...Mantle, Mays, Williams etc. When you look at Paul's Beatle career, I think he was judged fairly because the Beatles were (and rightfully so) put on the highest pedestal. Everyone knows Paul's greatest Beatle songs...Yesterday, Here There & Everywhere, Let It Be, Long & Winding Road, Get Back, For No One. I Will etc. etc. There are certain Paul Solo songs that I put on that level. Besides Maybe I'm Amazed and Band on the Run, I would include Wanderlust, Tug of War, Take It Away, Little Willow, Calico Skies, Beautiful Night, Put It There, Jenny Wren, End of the End and surely a few others that I'm missing. I just think that Tug of War and Flaming Pie had a few more of those special songs than his other albums. Then again, we're trying to compare Mantle, Mays, DiMaggio, Williams etc. They are all great!
Haven't posted in a while, but thought I'd chime in here, as I just listened to both "Flaming Pie" and "Chaos and Creation in the Backyard" earlier today on my drive back to NYC from Baltimore (with some Tom Jones sprinkled in there for good measure, lol). I'm not exactly sure why, because both of these albums have a very distinct vibe, but I've always felt that "Chaos" was an extension of the "Flaming Pie" sound. It's probably due to the simple, beautifully organic production on both of these records; none of the songs sound "over-produced", and I think it's no coincidence that most of the arrangements feature acoustic instruments (with Paul playing the majority of them, at that). The albums also mirror each other in the way that they feature similar themes that run throughout the lyrics - the tone's are somber and more reflective, which, as was previously mentioned, was surely to do with Linda's illness, death, and also the infamous divorce from H.M. that followed years later. BJ, I agree with you on pretty much all of your points about "Flaming Pie". On the whole, I don't think the three songs previously mentioned ("If You Wanna", "Used to Be Bad", & "Really Love You"), although they are generally considered the weakest of the bunch, detract from how great this album is. Personally, the only song I would have cut is "Really Love You", as I really do enjoy the other two. "If You Wanna" might go on a little too long, but I was definitely grooving to it on the drive, and I also love how loose Paul and Steve Miller sound on "Used to Be Bad" (really dig the snare sound on that song). I also agree that it was a missed opportunity for him to play some of these incredible songs live, I would have loved to have seen him do "Young Boy", "The World Tonight", "Promise to You Girl", "Anyway", etc. Your Willie Mays & Mickey Mantle analogy is spot on! I find both records to be great (they were both nominated for the coveted "Album of the Year" Grammy, after all), and I've always considered both to be in his top 5 greatest albums.
_________________________________________________________ Anthony Welcome back and great post. Yankeefan, Bruce, myself and quite a few others here have often expressed our frustration over the terrific Solo songs that Paul has ignored going back to 2002 when he resumed touring after Linda's illness. So many great songs (like the ones you listed) that needed the exposure since Paul's new music was never played on the radio. So often, Paul's live versions are as good and sometimes better. He has toured incessantly since 2002 so there were many opportunities. Instead he continued to play songs like Lady Madonna at every show that he can play in his sleep. Never could understand the logic yet I still love the guy. I would be interested in your comments about Memory Almost Full...the songs and the sound. There is a post a little bit back with many discussions about this really good album as well. I and others raised some questions about the inferior sound on a few of the songs and would be interested in your opinion. Thanks
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B J Conlee:
Nancy R:
B J Conlee:
Bruce M.:
So glad to hear your surgery went well, BJ! Hope things continue to go smoothly.
Thanks Bruce. I have to go back today where the Doctor has to close the wound permanently. The fact that he didn't have to go too deep is a big plus I hope. Got me thinking about the old expression...those were the good old days! When it comes to medicine, those weren't the good old days. Can you imagine a 100 years ago when they didn't have the local anesthesia that they have today. Nancy knows more about that than the rest of us. Anyway, I'm a woos (whatever the word is) so thank God I was born in the modern era. No wonder people became addicted to alcohol. That's all they had in those days. Once I got that shot, I ddn't feel a thing thank God. It's certainly more fun talking "all things Beatles".
I believe the term is "wuss!" http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wuss Some info on local anesthesia you might find interesting: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19488537
_______________________________________________ Nancy, As usual, you are a fountain of knowledge. After my 2nd day of this MOHS surgery, I feel like I need some cocaine (see 2nd short article) I am definitely a "wuss" today but for good reason. After yesterday going so well, I thought today would be a breeze....NOT The "restoration and repair" phase was a whole lot worse. My first sign of the type of day I was going to have is when the nurse was taking off the bandage that was around my ear. Never knew that the ear was so sensitive to tape removal. Then the nurse gave me some more shots around the ear. It was probably good that I did;t think I would get shots today since I did sleep fairly well last night. Anyway, I toughened up and absorb my punishment like a man (In reality I am a wuss). Next the Doctor came in. He was nice and extremely thorough (Maybe too thorough!). Anyway to my extreme chagrin, he gave me a couple of more shots. To restore my ear area from the surgery, he took some of my skin from my face (where sideburns would grow) which I guess is why he needed to expand the local anesthesia. While that wasn't pleasant, at least I didn't have any pain while he was inserting the stitches. The only problem right now is when the anesthesia wore off. The pain is similar to the last time I had root canal when the novacaine wore off. Not good at all. Sorry to complain to my friends on this site, but I just felt the need to blow off some steam. But as I said yesterday, I really shouldn't complain. While I am in some pain now, the bigger picture is that they got the cancer out that could potentially cause a lot more problems down the road. I should be very thankful for that. The Nurses and Doctor could not have been nicer. If I was better with technology, I would send you a picture that one of the nurses took. That would be funny...I look like a nun. The only thing you see is my interior face. Everything else (head and ears) is covered by bandages. And no one would mistake me for a cute nun...that's for sure. I'm just hoping that I feel better by Monday.
You should watch the (George Harrison) Hand Made film Nuns On The Run starring Eric Idle. Laughter is the best medicine!
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BJ, check your PMs!
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"Young Boy" kinda annoyed me as the chosen first single. At the time. I now like it more, but I thought there were better songs to "introduce" the album. But it is a fine melodious song that I enjoy more through the years. In fact, I really like it. "Beautiful Night" was my standout at the time. Never understood why it wasn't the chosen first single. Love it. Love "Souvenir". One of my favorites from the album. Like "The Song We Were Singing" "The World Tonight" OK. "If You Wanna"... pass mark. Nothing remarkable "Somedays"... great. "Calico Skies".... very, very nice. . "Flaming Pie"... enjoyable. ELO. "Heaven on a Sunday.... Nice. "Used to be Bad".... a B-side. Should've been left off the album. "Little Willow".... lovely, poignant. "Really Love You".... I might be in the minority.... but I'm happy with it. It's bare and primitive.... but I kinda like it. It might meander, but I still like it. Reminds me of something that could've been on McCartney 2. "Great Day".... like it. I think I'm recalling Judd Apatow used it in one of his films. A great closer. Although it could also have been a good opener. A great album.
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toris:
"Young Boy" kinda annoyed me as the chosen first single. At the time. I now like it more, but I thought there were better songs to "introduce" the album. But it is a fine melodious song that I enjoy more through the years. In fact, I really like it. "Beautiful Night" was my standout at the time. Never understood why it wasn't the chosen first single. Love it. Love "Souvenir". One of my favorites from the album. Like "The Song We Were Singing" "The World Tonight" OK. "If You Wanna"... pass mark. Nothing remarkable "Somedays"... great. "Calico Skies".... very, very nice. . "Flaming Pie"... enjoyable. ELO. "Heaven on a Sunday.... Nice. "Used to be Bad".... a B-side. Should've been left off the album. "Little Willow".... lovely, poignant. "Really Love You".... I might be in the minority.... but I'm happy with it. It's bare and primitive.... but I kinda like it. It might meander, but I still like it. Reminds me of something that could've been on McCartney 2. "Great Day".... like it. I think I'm recalling Judd Apatow used it in one of his films. A great closer. Although it could also have been a good opener. A great album.
_________________________________________________ Thanks for the good comments Toris. The great thing about being a Paul fan is that some songs that you think are weak, are actually liked by other fans. He has so much diversity in his music and you can change your opinion to a degree over time. I hated Gratitude when I first heard MAF. Still don't like it much but I see some redeeming value in it 10 years later. Most people don't like "Really Love You" but you see the good sides of it. Paul does do a lot with his voice on it. Those are 2 Macca songs however that I would never play to someone if I was trying to convince them that Paul is a great artist.
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It makes me sad seeing some of the pix of Paul in the little booklet inside of "Flaming"--the expression on his face, knowing Linda suffered from cancer while he made the album. You can tell he was thinking about that when the picture was taken.
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Here is my in-depth critical analysis of Flaming Pie. Maybe I should submit it to Rolling Stone. The Song We Were Singing - I like it. This is a very well written song. The World Tonight - I like it. If You Wanna - I like it. Inspired by Minneapolis, so you know it's good. Somedays - I like it, especially the oboe/English horn duet. Young Boy - I like it, even more with the coda. Calico Skies - I like it. It was written that I would love you from the moment I opened my eyes. Damn. Flaming Pie - I like it. Heaven on a Sunday - I like it. Peaceful. Used to Be Bad - I like it. Paul & Steve sound good together. Souvenir - I like it. I'm a sucker for 6/8 songs. No idea why. Little Willow - I like it. Simply beautiful in every way. Really Love You - I like it. Should Ringo get songwriting credit? That's not up to me. Beautiful Night - I like it. Seems to me the perfect way to spend an afternoon. Great Day - I like it. It's a nice way to end a simple album.
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HaileyMcComet:
Here is my in-depth critical analysis of Flaming Pie. Maybe I should submit it to Rolling Stone. The Song We Were Singing - I like it. This is a very well written song. The World Tonight - I like it. If You Wanna - I like it. Inspired by Minneapolis, so you know it's good. Somedays - I like it, especially the oboe/English horn duet. Young Boy - I like it, even more with the coda. Calico Skies - I like it. It was written that I would love you from the moment I opened my eyes. Damn. Flaming Pie - I like it. Heaven on a Sunday - I like it. Peaceful. Used to Be Bad - I like it. Paul & Steve sound good together. Souvenir - I like it. I'm a sucker for 6/8 songs. No idea why. Little Willow - I like it. Simply beautiful in every way. Really Love You - I like it. Should Ringo get songwriting credit? That's not up to me. Beautiful Night - I like it. Seems to me the perfect way to spend an afternoon. Great Day - I like it. It's a nice way to end a simple album.
__________________________________________________ Hailey, From your review, can I unequivocally say that you "like" the Flaming Pie album. Just kidding. Can you explain your Souvenir comment. What do you mean by being a "sucker for 6/8 songs". Not trying to be smart...just don't know what it means. I know what I like/love about the song...Paul's great "soulful" vocal and the guitars. If I'm not mistaken, Ringo does get a songwriting credit. I believe it is credited as a "McCartney/Starkey song. Hailey, have you always lived in Hong Kong. My son-in-law's family (his Mother, Uncles, Aunts, Grandmother, Grandfather were all born in Hong Kong. They are a very warm and friendly family.
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BJ, could Hailey be talking about the timing of the song? (Time signature) That's what I thought she meant. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_signature
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And yes, "Richard Starkey" got a credit! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Really_Love_You
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B J Conlee:
Hailey, From your review, can I unequivocally say that you "like" the Flaming Pie album. Just kidding. Can you explain your Souvenir comment. What do you mean by being a "sucker for 6/8 songs". Not trying to be smart...just don't know what it means. I know what I like/love about the song...Paul's great "soulful" vocal and the guitars. If I'm not mistaken, Ringo does get a songwriting credit. I believe it is credited as a "McCartney/Starkey song. Hailey, have you always lived in Hong Kong. My son-in-law's family (his Mother, Uncles, Aunts, Grandmother, Grandfather were all born in Hong Kong. They are a very warm and friendly family.
When it comes to music, I either like it or don't. I don't care what critics, snobs and hipsters tell me what to hate. Flaming Pie works for me. "Souvenir" is in 6/8 with a very basic drum part that just lures me in for some reason. Any drummer can play it. It's a basic quarter note hi-hat, snare on 4 and bass on 1 and 3. I think that's why I like traditional folk songs. Or vice versa. I'm from Minnesota, which is a slightly different atmosphere from Hong Kong.
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HaileyMcComet:
B J Conlee:
Hailey, From your review, can I unequivocally say that you "like" the Flaming Pie album. Just kidding. Can you explain your Souvenir comment. What do you mean by being a "sucker for 6/8 songs". Not trying to be smart...just don't know what it means. I know what I like/love about the song...Paul's great "soulful" vocal and the guitars. If I'm not mistaken, Ringo does get a songwriting credit. I believe it is credited as a "McCartney/Starkey song. Hailey, have you always lived in Hong Kong. My son-in-law's family (his Mother, Uncles, Aunts, Grandmother, Grandfather were all born in Hong Kong. They are a very warm and friendly family.
When it comes to music, I either like it or don't. I don't care what critics, snobs and hipsters tell me what to hate. Flaming Pie works for me. "Souvenir" is in 6/8 with a very basic drum part that just lures me in for some reason. Any drummer can play it. It's a basic quarter note hi-hat, snare on 4 and bass on 1 and 3. I think that's why I like traditional folk songs. Or vice versa. I'm from Minnesota, which is a slightly different atmosphere from Hong Kong.
______________________________________________________ Hailey Thanks for your explanation on Souvenir. I'm well into my 60's, but I've never taken any music courses even during college which I guess is why I had never heard of "6/8" drum part. Like you I instantly loved the song. One thing about Paul is just how many things he can do with his voice. I like it when he goes in a "soul" style. Songs like Souvenir, See Your Sunshine (from MAF) and The Other Me (from Pipes of Peace) are all examples of Paul's soul side and I really like all 3 songs. I think Paul working with Michael Jackson and Stevie Wonder was a good influence on him in some ways. I'm like you. I like what I like and I try to ignore the critics who "especially" seem to have an agenda when it comes to Paul. Many are fair and that is good but I normally can tell the ones that are bias by the 3rd or 4th sentence of the review. Minnesota vs. Hong Kong...what a difference in weather. Did your job/career make this change.
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B J Conlee:
HaileyMcComet:
Here is my in-depth critical analysis of Flaming Pie. Maybe I should submit it to Rolling Stone. The Song We Were Singing - I like it. This is a very well written song. The World Tonight - I like it. If You Wanna - I like it. Inspired by Minneapolis, so you know it's good. Somedays - I like it, especially the oboe/English horn duet. Young Boy - I like it, even more with the coda. Calico Skies - I like it. It was written that I would love you from the moment I opened my eyes. Damn. Flaming Pie - I like it. Heaven on a Sunday - I like it. Peaceful. Used to Be Bad - I like it. Paul & Steve sound good together. Souvenir - I like it. I'm a sucker for 6/8 songs. No idea why. Little Willow - I like it. Simply beautiful in every way. Really Love You - I like it. Should Ringo get songwriting credit? That's not up to me. Beautiful Night - I like it. Seems to me the perfect way to spend an afternoon. Great Day - I like it. It's a nice way to end a simple album.
__________________________________________________ Hailey, From your review, can I unequivocally say that you "like" the Flaming Pie album. Just kidding. Can you explain your Souvenir comment. What do you mean by being a "sucker for 6/8 songs". Not trying to be smart...just don't know what it means. I know what I like/love about the song...Paul's great "soulful" vocal and the guitars. If I'm not mistaken, Ringo does get a songwriting credit. I believe it is credited as a "McCartney/Starkey song. Hailey, have you always lived in Hong Kong. My son-in-law's family (his Mother, Uncles, Aunts, Grandmother, Grandfather were all born in Hong Kong. They are a very warm and friendly family.
I genuinely appreciate your comment on "Calico Skies'. We all have our own tastes but I've been surprised by the lack of discussion on that song in this thread. For me, "Calico Skies" is right up there with anything The Beatles put out and is my personal favorite McCartney solo track-- well, possibly tied with "Maybe I'm Amazed". I really have enjoyed this thread though because "Flaming Pie" is my favorite McCartney solo album. It's partly for sentimental reasons... I became a fan as a teenager when "Live at the BBC" was released and on through the Anthology. I started collecting McCartney's solo work because he was the one Beatle whose music drew me in the most... I became a huge fan of Wings and his solo stuff but "Flaming Pie" was a very special album to me because it was the first solo album he released after I had become a fan. I was really delighted to see him play the title track live in 2005 and then once again, along with Calico Skies in 2009-- even if he did butcher the lyrics to the latter the night I saw him at Citi Field! I'll agree with everyone here about the weaker tracks. "Used to Be Bad" and "Really Love You" have always been the weakest for me though I've grown to appreciate the former and I've always loved Steve Miller's voice. "Really Love You" probably should have been left off the record but I still enjoy hearing two Beatles jam enough that I sometimes don't skip it
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joemcook:
B J Conlee:
HaileyMcComet:
Here is my in-depth critical analysis of Flaming Pie. Maybe I should submit it to Rolling Stone. The Song We Were Singing - I like it. This is a very well written song. The World Tonight - I like it. If You Wanna - I like it. Inspired by Minneapolis, so you know it's good. Somedays - I like it, especially the oboe/English horn duet. Young Boy - I like it, even more with the coda. Calico Skies - I like it. It was written that I would love you from the moment I opened my eyes. Damn. Flaming Pie - I like it. Heaven on a Sunday - I like it. Peaceful. Used to Be Bad - I like it. Paul & Steve sound good together. Souvenir - I like it. I'm a sucker for 6/8 songs. No idea why. Little Willow - I like it. Simply beautiful in every way. Really Love You - I like it. Should Ringo get songwriting credit? That's not up to me. Beautiful Night - I like it. Seems to me the perfect way to spend an afternoon. Great Day - I like it. It's a nice way to end a simple album.
__________________________________________________ Hailey, From your review, can I unequivocally say that you "like" the Flaming Pie album. Just kidding. Can you explain your Souvenir comment. What do you mean by being a "sucker for 6/8 songs". Not trying to be smart...just don't know what it means. I know what I like/love about the song...Paul's great "soulful" vocal and the guitars. If I'm not mistaken, Ringo does get a songwriting credit. I believe it is credited as a "McCartney/Starkey song. Hailey, have you always lived in Hong Kong. My son-in-law's family (his Mother, Uncles, Aunts, Grandmother, Grandfather were all born in Hong Kong. They are a very warm and friendly family.
I genuinely appreciate your comment on "Calico Skies'. We all have our own tastes but I've been surprised by the lack of discussion on that song in this thread. For me, "Calico Skies" is right up there with anything The Beatles put out and is my personal favorite McCartney solo track-- well, possibly tied with "Maybe I'm Amazed". I really have enjoyed this thread though because "Flaming Pie" is my favorite McCartney solo album. It's partly for sentimental reasons... I became a fan as a teenager when "Live at the BBC" was released and on through the Anthology. I started collecting McCartney's solo work because he was the one Beatle whose music drew me in the most... I became a huge fan of Wings and his solo stuff but "Flaming Pie" was a very special album to me because it was the first solo album he released after I had become a fan. I was really delighted to see him play the title track live in 2005 and then once again, along with Calico Skies in 2009-- even if he did butcher the lyrics to the latter the night I saw him at Citi Field! I'll agree with everyone here about the weaker tracks. "Used to Be Bad" and "Really Love You" have always been the weakest for me though I've grown to appreciate the former and I've always loved Steve Miller's voice. "Really Love You" probably should have been left off the record but I still enjoy hearing two Beatles jam enough that I sometimes don't skip it
__________________________________________________ Great Post Joemcook As an "old Beatle and Paul guy" it is always great to hear a much younger person and how they got turned onto the "fabs" and Paul. I have Flaming Pie in my Top 5 of Paul Post Beatle albums. It is because there are 5 or 6 songs on "Pie" that would be much more famous if they had been on later Beatles albums. Calico Skies is one of them. In fact, it was one of the "10's" on my Flaming Pie review that started this thread. Not sure if Paul has ever had a better 3 in a row songs...Somedays, Young Boy and Calico Skies...than these 3 on Flaming Pie.
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6/8 is a basic time signature that's used in a lot of folk songs around the world. The drum part on "Souvenir", which I'm guessing Paul played, is pretty typical of American/British rock/pop songs in 6/8. There are too many differences between Minnesota and Hong Kong, but one that I notice every day is how the city of Hong Kong has about 2 million more people than the entire state of Minnesota. I came to Hong Kong for a job that I just quit, which has me thinking about a new topic for this site.
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B J Conlee:
joemcook:
B J Conlee:
HaileyMcComet:
Here is my in-depth critical analysis of Flaming Pie. Maybe I should submit it to Rolling Stone. The Song We Were Singing - I like it. This is a very well written song. The World Tonight - I like it. If You Wanna - I like it. Inspired by Minneapolis, so you know it's good. Somedays - I like it, especially the oboe/English horn duet. Young Boy - I like it, even more with the coda. Calico Skies - I like it. It was written that I would love you from the moment I opened my eyes. Damn. Flaming Pie - I like it. Heaven on a Sunday - I like it. Peaceful. Used to Be Bad - I like it. Paul & Steve sound good together. Souvenir - I like it. I'm a sucker for 6/8 songs. No idea why. Little Willow - I like it. Simply beautiful in every way. Really Love You - I like it. Should Ringo get songwriting credit? That's not up to me. Beautiful Night - I like it. Seems to me the perfect way to spend an afternoon. Great Day - I like it. It's a nice way to end a simple album.
__________________________________________________ Hailey, From your review, can I unequivocally say that you "like" the Flaming Pie album. Just kidding. Can you explain your Souvenir comment. What do you mean by being a "sucker for 6/8 songs". Not trying to be smart...just don't know what it means. I know what I like/love about the song...Paul's great "soulful" vocal and the guitars. If I'm not mistaken, Ringo does get a songwriting credit. I believe it is credited as a "McCartney/Starkey song. Hailey, have you always lived in Hong Kong. My son-in-law's family (his Mother, Uncles, Aunts, Grandmother, Grandfather were all born in Hong Kong. They are a very warm and friendly family.
I genuinely appreciate your comment on "Calico Skies'. We all have our own tastes but I've been surprised by the lack of discussion on that song in this thread. For me, "Calico Skies" is right up there with anything The Beatles put out and is my personal favorite McCartney solo track-- well, possibly tied with "Maybe I'm Amazed". I really have enjoyed this thread though because "Flaming Pie" is my favorite McCartney solo album. It's partly for sentimental reasons... I became a fan as a teenager when "Live at the BBC" was released and on through the Anthology. I started collecting McCartney's solo work because he was the one Beatle whose music drew me in the most... I became a huge fan of Wings and his solo stuff but "Flaming Pie" was a very special album to me because it was the first solo album he released after I had become a fan. I was really delighted to see him play the title track live in 2005 and then once again, along with Calico Skies in 2009-- even if he did butcher the lyrics to the latter the night I saw him at Citi Field! I'll agree with everyone here about the weaker tracks. "Used to Be Bad" and "Really Love You" have always been the weakest for me though I've grown to appreciate the former and I've always loved Steve Miller's voice. "Really Love You" probably should have been left off the record but I still enjoy hearing two Beatles jam enough that I sometimes don't skip it
__________________________________________________ Great Post Joemcook As an "old Beatle and Paul guy" it is always great to hear a much younger person and how they got turned onto the "fabs" and Paul. I have Flaming Pie in my Top 5 of Paul Post Beatle albums. It is because there are 5 or 6 songs on "Pie" that would be much more famous if they had been on later Beatles albums. Calico Skies is one of them. In fact, it was one of the "10's" on my Flaming Pie review that started this thread. Not sure if Paul has ever had a better 3 in a row songs...Somedays, Young Boy and Calico Skies...than these 3 on Flaming Pie.
"Not sure if Paul has ever had a better 3 in a row songs...Somedays, Young Boy and Calico Skies...than these 3 on Flaming Pie." I think "Tug Of War", "Take It Away" and "Somebody Who Cares" that begin the album "Tug of War" is just as good or pretty close to the songs you mentioned - lol.
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yankeefan7:
I think "Tug Of War", "Take It Away" and "Somebody Who Cares" that begin the album "Tug of War" is just as good or pretty close to the songs you mentioned - lol.
That's about as good an album opening as it gets.