KOTB charting
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left hand man:
Kisses On The Bottom is #1 on the Billboard jazz charts, so why would Whitney Houston knock him off that chart, she didn't do anything close to jazz?
Well, I was talking about Paul's ranking on the main Billboard chart -- the Billboard 200 -- which is the most important chart and the one where Whitney Houston's albums would affect things. Maybe you don't realize it but the Jazz chart isn't some separate thing; it's built out of the same Billboard data base of sales figures that is used to assemble the top Billboard 200 albums chart.
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left hand man:
Kisses On The Bottom is #1 on the Billboard jazz charts, so why would Whitney Houston knock him off that chart, she didn't do anything close to jazz? You can say the Billboard chart isn't relevant all you want, but that's just totally ridiculous, you think all the working jazz artist out there think the top of their chart isn't relevant? They're working their whole lives trying to reach that position and now just because Paul McCartney has reached the top, the entire chart is all of a sudden not relevant? Boy the lengths some people go to!
Michelley never mentioned Whitney doing Jazz.. as for the Jazz charts, they haven't been relevant in decades. no one has said they are not happy with Paul getting to No1 on a lesser chart, its a No1 but nothing to write home about and start having street parties for.. I will concede that every Jazz act would love to be top of there own chart but i would also think they would rather their music sold enough to get them into the mainstream charts where the big bucks are. we do agree on one thing, your going to great lengths to convince yourself topping a Jazz chart is like winning super-bowl.
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Michelley:
left hand man:
Kisses On The Bottom is #1 on the Billboard jazz charts, so why would Whitney Houston knock him off that chart, she didn't do anything close to jazz?
Well, I was talking about Paul's ranking on the main Billboard chart -- the Billboard 200 -- which is the most important chart and the one where Whitney Houston's albums would affect things. Maybe you don't realize it but the Jazz chart isn't some separate thing; it's built out of the same Billboard data base of sales figures that is used to assemble the top Billboard 200 albums chart.
You beat me to it, Michelley.
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The Billboard jazz chart hasn't been relevant in decades, well I bet all the hard working jazz artist don't think so! The man has a #1, some of you guys are the ones nicpicking the thing! The freaking Billboard jazz chart is a major chart, it's freaking Billboard not some underground chart! The Billboard jazz chart is the top jazz chart in the world! It's the most mainstream jazz chart there is, and Paul McCartney is at the very top of it! Some of you are the ones trying to make it seem like I'm holding it up to the holy grail, I'm just acknowlegdging it for what it really is, not trying to downplay it like some of you! Give credit where credit is due!
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I can see where you are coming from left hand man, the Jazz chart compares the album to it's direct rivals in the jazz genre and he has the best selling jazz album BUT for the most commercially successful musician of all time it isn't a huge deal!
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left hand man:
The Billboard jazz chart hasn't been relevant in decades, well I bet all the hard working jazz artist don't think so! The man has a #1, some of you guys are the ones nicpicking the thing! The freaking Billboard jazz chart is a major chart, it's freaking Billboard not some underground chart! The Billboard jazz chart is the top jazz chart in the world! It's the most mainstream jazz chart there is, and Paul McCartney is at the very top of it! Some of you are the ones trying to make it seem like I'm holding it up to the holy grail, I'm just acknowlegdging it for what it really is, not trying to downplay it like some of you! Give credit where credit is due!
No need to yell, we're all friends here. As I've said before, it is a cool thing to be number one on any chart, but we're pointing out that he's not number one on the mainstream chart, that's all. No worries, we all love Paul here.
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No one is yelling, on the internet yelling is indicated by all capital letters, so no one is yelling, so don't take the conversation out of context! What on Earth are you talking about, the Billboard jazz chart is mainstream, it's the most mainstream chart there is for jazz artists? And I beg to differ, ask Paul McCartney if it's a big deal to him that he's got a #1 album on the Billboard jazz chart and I bet the most successful songwriter in the entire history of popular music is totally thrilled!
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I don't think McCartney even made this album for the regular pop charts, he probably already knew that this album didn't fit that area! Of course it would be nice if it went to the top of the pop charts, but it's not an album intended for that!
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left hand man:
No one is yelling, on the internet yelling is indicated by all capital letters, so no one is yelling, so don't take the conversation out of context! What on Earth are you talking about, the Billboard jazz chart is mainstream, it's the most mainstream chart there is for jazz artists? And I beg to differ, ask Paul McCartney if it's a big deal to him that he's got a #1 album on the Billboard jazz chart and I bet the most successful songwriter in the entire history of popular music is totally thrilled!
1. In writing, exclamation points indicate yelling, as well. 2. The mainstream chart would be the top 200, the jazz chart is not quite fitting into that category. Perhaps we have a different definition of the word "mainstream". The above is what I mean when I refer to mainstream. 3. Again, I'm not trying to say Paul didn't do something great with this album. I don't, though, want to fly over the moon because of charting positions. I like to judge an album based on its quality, not on record sales or charting. For example, I love Driving Rain, which didn't exactly light up the charts.
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No, exclamation points indicate passion, excitement, sincerity, at least that's what my english teacher and creative writing instructor taught us! yelling is indicated by Capital letters or bold lettering. I repeat, I don't think McCartney even made this album for the regular pop charts, he probably already knew that this album didn't fit that area! Of course it would be nice if it went to the top of the pop charts, but it's not an album intended for that!
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left hand man:
No one is yelling, on the internet yelling is indicated by all capital letters, so no one is yelling, so don't take the conversation out of context! What on Earth are you talking about, the Billboard jazz chart is mainstream, it's the most mainstream chart there is for jazz artists? And I beg to differ, ask Paul McCartney if it's a big deal to him that he's got a #1 album on the Billboard jazz chart and I bet the most successful songwriter in the entire history of popular music is totally thrilled!
Sorry its took so long to get back to ya, I was put on hold for bloomin ages, ok here goes, Paul is happy (not ecstatic) to be No 1 on a minor chart, he would rather be No1 on mainstream charts where it would at least be acknowledged he got to No1, I don't see any of the rags mentioning he's took the Jazz charts by storm. there you go, i've asked him
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left hand man:
No, exclamation points indicate passion, excitement, sincerity, at least that's what my english teacher and creative writing instructor taught us! yelling is indicated by Capital letters or bold lettering. I repeat, I don't think McCartney even made this album for the regular pop charts, he probably already knew that this album didn't fit that area! Of course it would be nice if it went to the top of the pop charts, but it's not an album intended for that!
1. I'm an English teacher. Capitalized words are indeed for yelling, but bold is for making one or two words, perhaps an entire phrase, stand out from the rest of the sentence to draw attention to the bolded word(s). 2. For someone who didn't make this album for the pop charts, he did a lot of promotion in pop music magazines and on TV (Grammys).
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walliebaby:
left hand man:
No, exclamation points indicate passion, excitement, sincerity, at least that's what my english teacher and creative writing instructor taught us! yelling is indicated by Capital letters or bold lettering. I repeat, I don't think McCartney even made this album for the regular pop charts, he probably already knew that this album didn't fit that area! Of course it would be nice if it went to the top of the pop charts, but it's not an album intended for that!
1. I'm an English teacher. Capitalized words are indeed for yelling, but bold is for making one or two words, perhaps an entire phrase, stand out from the rest of the sentence to draw attention to the bolded word(s). 2. For someone who didn't make this album for the pop charts, he did a lot of promotion in pop music magazines and on TV (Grammys).
thats my walliebaby
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walliebaby:
left hand man:
No, exclamation points indicate passion, excitement, sincerity, at least that's what my english teacher and creative writing instructor taught us! yelling is indicated by Capital letters or bold lettering. I repeat, I don't think McCartney even made this album for the regular pop charts, he probably already knew that this album didn't fit that area! Of course it would be nice if it went to the top of the pop charts, but it's not an album intended for that!
1. I'm an English teacher. Capitalized words are indeed for yelling, but bold is for making one or two words, perhaps an entire phrase, stand out from the rest of the sentence to draw attention to the bolded word(s). 2. For someone who didn't make this album for the pop charts, he did a lot of promotion in pop music magazines and on TV (Grammys).
Well said Jen!
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Macsback:
left hand man:
No one is yelling, on the internet yelling is indicated by all capital letters, so no one is yelling, so don't take the conversation out of context! What on Earth are you talking about, the Billboard jazz chart is mainstream, it's the most mainstream chart there is for jazz artists? And I beg to differ, ask Paul McCartney if it's a big deal to him that he's got a #1 album on the Billboard jazz chart and I bet the most successful songwriter in the entire history of popular music is totally thrilled!
Sorry its took so long to get back to ya, I was put on hold for bloomin ages, ok here goes, Paul is happy (not ecstatic) to be No 1 on a minor chart, he would rather be No1 on mainstream charts where it would at least be acknowledged he got to No1, I don't see any of the rags mentioning he's took the Jazz charts by storm. there you go, i've asked him
Very good point, Macs, and done with your usual humor, my dear.
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walliebaby:
Macsback:
left hand man:
No one is yelling, on the internet yelling is indicated by all capital letters, so no one is yelling, so don't take the conversation out of context! What on Earth are you talking about, the Billboard jazz chart is mainstream, it's the most mainstream chart there is for jazz artists? And I beg to differ, ask Paul McCartney if it's a big deal to him that he's got a #1 album on the Billboard jazz chart and I bet the most successful songwriter in the entire history of popular music is totally thrilled!
Sorry its took so long to get back to ya, I was put on hold for bloomin ages, ok here goes, Paul is happy (not ecstatic) to be No 1 on a minor chart, he would rather be No1 on mainstream charts where it would at least be acknowledged he got to No1, I don't see any of the rags mentioning he's took the Jazz charts by storm. there you go, i've asked him
Very good point, Macs, and done with your usual humor, my dear.
thank you hunni bwunni
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milcon1998:
walliebaby:
left hand man:
No, exclamation points indicate passion, excitement, sincerity, at least that's what my english teacher and creative writing instructor taught us! yelling is indicated by Capital letters or bold lettering. I repeat, I don't think McCartney even made this album for the regular pop charts, he probably already knew that this album didn't fit that area! Of course it would be nice if it went to the top of the pop charts, but it's not an album intended for that!
1. I'm an English teacher. Capitalized words are indeed for yelling, but bold is for making one or two words, perhaps an entire phrase, stand out from the rest of the sentence to draw attention to the bolded word(s). 2. For someone who didn't make this album for the pop charts, he did a lot of promotion in pop music magazines and on TV (Grammys).
Well said Jen!
well approved Jo
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Getting back to the point, if HitsDailyDouble is right (see http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi for details) and Paul is at #6 this week, that's interesting. Even the main burst of publicity has subsided and the album is getting only very modest radio play, it's having decent staying power, with only a modest drop in sales from the first week. No, it isn't selling in the wild volumes that Adele's album is (which recalls the good old days of record sales), but quite respectably for an album that makes no attempt at a commercial sound. One caution: The HitsDailyDouble rankings track closely with Billboard, but they don't always match exactly. The 199 unit margin by which Paul exceeds Van Halen is very much within the margin of error, so it wouldn't be a shock if KOTB shows up at #7 on Billboard's chart.
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Bruce M.:
Getting back to the point, if HitsDailyDouble is right (see http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi for details) and Paul is at #6 this week, that's interesting. Even the main burst of publicity has subsided and the album is getting only very modest radio play, it's having decent staying power, with only a modest drop in sales from the first week. No, it isn't selling in the wild volumes that Adele's album is (which recalls the good old days of record sales), but quite respectably for an album that makes no attempt at a commercial sound. One caution: The HitsDailyDouble rankings track closely with Billboard, but they don't always match exactly. The 199 unit margin by which Paul exceeds Van Halen is very much within the margin of error, so it wouldn't be a shock if KOTB shows up at #7 on Billboard's chart.
You're right! Billboard has Paul at No. 7. Apparently he was neck and neck with that Van Halen record (they both sold around 58,000 in their second week). The Van Halen record is of course a traditional rock album and it still barely sold more than Paul's. I'm totally surprised that KOTB stayed in the top 10. But good for Paul. Now, when he comes out with a new album of original material, we won't have to listen to all the "McCartney, who hasn't had a hit record in years ..." garbage. And hopefully, the fans who didn't show up to buy Electric Arguments WILL show up to buy his new pop album. Edited to add: Paul's staying in the top 10 is even more unusual when you consider what usually happens to the old timers. Leonard Cohen's new album (his first in 8 years, and it got great reviews) debuted at No. 3, dropped to No. 23 in its second week, and is now at no. 44 in its 3rd week. That's typical; same thing happened to the new albums of Paul Simon and Elton John. But maybe KOTB got a Grammy bump and sold well because it was in Starbucks. And the iTunes thing. Was Paul the first to stream a live concert on iTunes? If so, I bet a lot of other artists start doing it. It obviously helped his sales.
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Michelley:
Bruce M.:
Getting back to the point, if HitsDailyDouble is right (see http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi for details) and Paul is at #6 this week, that's interesting. Even the main burst of publicity has subsided and the album is getting only very modest radio play, it's having decent staying power, with only a modest drop in sales from the first week. No, it isn't selling in the wild volumes that Adele's album is (which recalls the good old days of record sales), but quite respectably for an album that makes no attempt at a commercial sound. One caution: The HitsDailyDouble rankings track closely with Billboard, but they don't always match exactly. The 199 unit margin by which Paul exceeds Van Halen is very much within the margin of error, so it wouldn't be a shock if KOTB shows up at #7 on Billboard's chart.
You're right! Billboard has Paul at No. 7. Apparently he was neck and neck with that Van Halen record (they both sold around 58,000 in their second week). The Van Halen record is of course a traditional rock album and it still barely sold more than Paul's. I'm totally surprised that KOTB stayed in the top 10. But good for Paul. Now, when he comes out with a new album of original material, we won't have to listen to all the "McCartney, who hasn't had a hit record in years ..." garbage. And hopefully, the fans who didn't show up to buy Electric Arguments WILL show up to buy his new pop album. Edited to add: Paul's staying in the top 10 is even more unusual when you consider what usually happens to the old timers. Leonard Cohen's new album (his first in 8 years, and it got great reviews) debuted at No. 3, dropped to No. 23 in its second week, and is now at no. 44 in its 3rd week. That's typical; same thing happened to the new albums of Paul Simon and Elton John. But maybe KOTB got a Grammy bump and sold well because it was in Starbucks. And the iTunes thing. Was Paul the first to stream a live concert on iTunes? If so, I bet a lot of other artists start doing it. It obviously helped his sales.
It is interesting that Paul has managed to stay in the top 10. Is this similar to other artists who released standards album, like Rod Stewart? Given that KOTB has had mixed reviews, it's even stranger...Good on Paul, though.