Significance of Title and Artwork for "New"?
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hey_kittay:
Whether or not it has anything to do with the artwork, it has proved very helpful to me.
Please elaborate on how it proved to be so helpful Madamoiselle Kittay
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I really like the water like effect in the reflection of the lights, I see Dan Flavin does that and I have a photographer friend who I also noticed, did that. It gives me an idea
Have also seen this pattern of the three lines criss crossed, covering the speakers in my last rental car, and also on a manhole cover while visiting a friend. They are everywhere!!! Saw a mat at the Beetle dealership, withe the New drive in preview. That mat had 4 lines criss crossed in the same way. -
What's it say in the run out groove on Pepper, sounds to me like 'never do see any other way..' Has that been confirmed? Btw regarding New, one time I was all out of it and playing the record and sort of went cross eyed and the New image sort of doubled up and I was reading it as 'NEVER', if you can imagine it. The last 3 lines creating an R is a stretch, but that's what I thought! That was kind of cool. Going cross eyed is sow times a funky thing to do
not really. I just think it's a cool way to write NEW. -
kapoo:
What's it say in the run out groove on Pepper, sounds to me like 'never do see any other way..' Has that been confirmed?
I thought it was "Never to see any other way." And when you play it backwards it says "We will f*ck you like Superman! No lie.
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Erik in NJ:
hey_kittay:
Whether or not it has anything to do with the artwork, it has proved very helpful to me.
Please elaborate on how it proved to be so helpful Madamoiselle Kittay
Oh, it is just a private, spiritual endeavor. It would be off topic anyway, and boring to everyone. At first I thought the album art was so simplistic and that was fine. But the more I think on it from time to time it gets so much more intricate and interesting. Like the Russian Matryoshka dolls. One mystery inside another.
p.s. > I had a white manx cat named Kittay. That is where the 'Kittay name' came from. Coincidentally, it is also in Rockshow. -
Nancy R:
kapoo:
What's it say in the run out groove on Pepper, sounds to me like 'never do see any other way..' Has that been confirmed?
I thought it was "Never to see any other way." And when you play it backwards it says "We will f*ck you like Superman! No lie.
Yup, I've heard it, and Paul confirmed he heard it too in an interview years ago. Said some fans knocked on his door giggling and asked him about it. So he tried it, turning the record backwards, and heard it. But he denied they did it deliberately. It just came out sounding like that, playing backwards.
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beatlesfanrandy:
Nancy R:
kapoo:
What's it say in the run out groove on Pepper, sounds to me like 'never do see any other way..' Has that been confirmed?
I thought it was "Never to see any other way." And when you play it backwards it says "We will f*ck you like Superman! No lie.
Yup, I've heard it, and Paul confirmed he heard it too in an interview years ago. Said some fans knocked on his door giggling and asked him about it. So he tried it, turning the record backwards, and heard it. But he denied they did it deliberately. It just came out sounding like that, playing backwards.
Oh yeah, I never meant that they did it deliberately!
I have heard the Paul/fans story too. -
I remember hearing a PID special on FM radio (WPLJ in New York) where that snippet was played backward and forward to no avail. It didn't sound like anything either way. Forward people thought it was something like "(laughing) Lucy Abbey all the way," but that didn't make any sense. Later I thought it said "Is there ever any other way?" Has it ever been determined what that jibberish was from and whether it was meant to be played forward or backward? Faster or slower? Who added it to the album John or Paul?
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Erik in NJ:
I remember hearing a PID special on FM radio (WPLJ in New York) where that snippet was played backward and forward to no avail. It didn't sound like anything either way. Forward people thought it was something like "(laughing) Lucy Abbey all the way," but that didn't make any sense. Later I thought it said "Is there ever any other way?" Has it ever been determined what that jibberish was from and whether it was meant to be played forward or backward? Faster or slower? Who added it to the album John or Paul?
Here's what Wikipedia says: "McCartney later told his biographer Barry Miles that in the summer of 1967 a group of kids came up to him complaining about a lewd message hidden in it when played backwards. He told them, "You're wrong, it's actually just 'It really couldn't be any other'". He took them to his house to play the record backwards to them, and it turned out that the passage sounded to him very much like "We'll f**k you like Superman". McCartney recounted to Miles that "we had certainly had not intended to do that but probably when you turn anything backwards it sounds like something ... if you look hard enough you can make something out of anything"." Link here to listen:
To me, it sounds more like "never could be any other way" forward, and (sort of) like "we'll f**k you like you're supermen" backwards. But again, the power of suggestion! -
Erik in NJ:
I remember hearing a PID special on FM radio (WPLJ in New York) where that snippet was played backward and forward to no avail. It didn't sound like anything either way. Forward people thought it was something like "(laughing) Lucy Abbey all the way," but that didn't make any sense. Later I thought it said "Is there ever any other way?" Has it ever been determined what that jibberish was from and whether it was meant to be played forward or backward? Faster or slower? Who added it to the album John or Paul?
It was John saying it and it's either "never to see any other way" or "never could be any other way" (it definitely has 9 syllables) I would totally discount what Paul said it was! He doesn't have a clue!
It was meant to be played forward at 33 1/3, but John definitely altered his voice in some way. -
favoritething:
Link here to listen:
To me, it sounds more like "never could be any other way" forward, and (sort of) like "we'll f**k you like you're supermen" backwards. But again, the power of suggestion!One person (in the comments) says he hears "Will Paul be knighted Superman?"
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Nancy R:
favoritething:
Link here to listen:
To me, it sounds more like "never could be any other way" forward, and (sort of) like "we'll f**k you like you're supermen" backwards. But again, the power of suggestion!One person (in the comments) says he hears "Will Paul be knighted Superman?"
Haha! And I agree with your last post: Paul seems a bit clueless on this.
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Paul admitted to not knowing about this. I remember some funny quote on it, probably Miles' book, where he joked, "There it was . What can you do?" and high pitched voice sounds like John's. It also sounds like John's humor. George once joked about PID saying that he knew nothing about these supposed clues being put in an any album, but then it wouldn't have surprised him if something like that happened and no one bothered to tell him. Source; Here Comes The Sun.
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The backwards Superman thing is a bit of a stretch--it took me a while to hear it. I think you can start to hear a lot of things when you listed to jibberish like that backwards. I imagine that snippet was made by speeding up a piece of tape with some speech on it. It probably needs to be slowed way down. Has anyone here traced its origins and have they ever been revealed by anyone?
