The ..2012.... Political thread
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rich n:
Kathryn O:
Audi, I've been saying for weeks that those who are opposed to the anti-bullying laws are bullies themselves. that's why they are opposed.
I will say that the right is in no way against the 'anti bullying' laws..in politics (as is the case with the liberal media) or everyday life.
Yes they are. they claim it violates their religous rights to bully those their religion opposes, like gay kids. Personally, what I'm against is the schools paying the price of bullying and not the breeders who bread the bully. but yeah, we here in Michigan and Detroit have had this problem with the right opposing anti-bullying laws that include groups they want to bully mostly gay kids a lot. transgendered too. I grew up bullied by the right. Used by the left. (God, that sounds like a song)
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audi:
mustangsally10:
I guess this means ted nugent the pedophile will endorse mittens again
The Republican constituency are masters of defending amoral scum.
Nugent is a chicken hawk. Someone who got out of going to "nam and now brags about what a hero he would have been had he gone.
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May 14, 2012 (CBS) As a member of the Hall of Famous Missourians, Limbaugh will have a bronze bust displayed in the Capitol alongside the likes of President Harry Truman, Mark Twain, Walt Disney, George Washington Carver and Stan Musial. http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/05/14/stealth-ceremony-for-rush-his-bust/
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I miss the days of simple Presidential vacations and/or outings: Ronald Reagen wife loved to go to their California ranch (Rancho del Cielo). George W. & wife would go to their Crawford, Texas ranch. H.W. Bush would go to their Maine estate (not so humble) ... Jackie Kennedy & children would go horseback riding in Virginia over a weekend (probably at a Kennedy family estate) ... again not so humble ... John F. would like to hang around the White House & D.C. area ... I think even Jimmy Carter & wife were content to stay at their peanut farm.
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ant5i bullying umm an american citzen spouts SHITE but that is his right is it not!! but no a asmerican president a lawyer by profession decides that the rule of law has no place and orders his MURDER. Don't you dare preach on this site about democracy, the right to free speech.n This site is aBOUT a BRITISH subject and one who is proud to be british, his britishnessish is inclusive. By the way i spent years in northern ireland when the nice americans were giving money to terrorits, they weer as they could have then as they dp now stand for elected office. Never did my government try to kill the leadership of the IRA?SEIN FEIN or apo0logists, someone i wenmt to school with did put two bullets into gerry adams, but that wasa an individual action. OBama ordered the murder with no recourse to a court of an american citzen. A head of state cannot order the murder of a citrzen . Democracy demands a certain standard of behaviour, unless you are just interested in power. I would never vote for the democrats nwevedrmind the rebulicans and in the UK terms i am considered due to law and order and defence right wing. The last 3 democratic presidents have madwe the world a DANGEROUS A PLACE .
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mittens job has been as a job destroyer
that's what he's best at
except of course for flip flopping on EVERYTHING
The story of 2 men trapped in one body
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Democrats trained in how to initiate a fake 'war on race': http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/house-dems-trained-make-race-issue/537146
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Fake 'Gay Marriage' support proves to be a fail: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/15/us/politics/poll-sees-obama-gay-marriage-support-motivated-by-politics.html
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mustangsally10:
mittens job has been as a job destroyer
that's what he's best at
except of course for flip flopping on EVERYTHING
The story of 2 men trapped in one body
And President Obama has been destroying our Nation in less than 4 years he more than doubled the debt of George W's 8 years
Something is wrong with a Wall Street firm that made some bad moves and lost $2 billion ... But nothing is wrong with the Obama Admin whose thrown taxpayers $trillions down the toilet all for 'green energy'
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Obama losing ground in the polls (from a more liberal slanted source) because basically...the United States sucks with that lying, manipulative freakshow at the helm http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/n/newyorktimes-poll-watch/index.html
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Andy_Shofar:
mustangsally10:
mittens job has been as a job destroyer
that's what he's best at
except of course for flip flopping on EVERYTHING
The story of 2 men trapped in one body
And President Obama has been destroying our Nation in less than 4 years he more than doubled the debt of George W's 8 years
Something is wrong with a Wall Street firm that made some bad moves and lost $2 billion ... But nothing is wrong with the Obama Admin whose thrown taxpayers $trillions down the toilet all for 'green energy'
And don't forget, that if he were to be reelected, 'his hands would no longer be tied'...so if you think he's already trashed this county, you've seen nothing yet
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Andy_Shofar:
mustangsally10:
mittens job has been as a job destroyer
that's what he's best at
except of course for flip flopping on EVERYTHING
The story of 2 men trapped in one body
And President Obama has been destroying our Nation in less than 4 years he more than doubled the debt of George W's 8 years
Something is wrong with a Wall Street firm that made some bad moves and lost $2 billion ... But nothing is wrong with the Obama Admin whose thrown taxpayers $trillions down the toilet all for 'green energy'
mutt & jeff here are having another episode Live from Outer Space
Nothing about facts here as they sprout off their lies
andy source what you just said about doubling the debt...where did that come from
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: new green energy jobs here http://www.e2.org/ext/doc/E2%20Clean%20Energy%20Jobs%20April%202012_FINAL.pdf wall street should be put on tighter rein but of course the repubs
have been fighting that all the way wall st reform was not as strong as it could have been but even so mittens says that he will repeal reform if elected
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/05/wh-says-jp-morgan-fiasco-reinforces-need-for-wall-123368.html what lemmings you guys are
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: for going against your own and your countries interests...total disconnect to reality
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rich n:
Obama losing ground in the polls (from a more liberal slanted source) because basically...the United States sucks with that lying, manipulative freakshow at the helm http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/n/newyorktimes-poll-watch/index.html
The scales will shift the other way soon enough, but it's a shame that Romney is polling well nationally. I share Bill Maher's opinion of the intelligence level of the average American. The fact that a significant amount of Americans STILL think that there was a connection between Iraq and 9/11 speaks volumes.
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About that Wall Street thing - seems Obama is talking out of both sides of his mouth here as well. Turns out he basically funded his 2008 campaign from Wall Street (and is still accepting campaign donations from them), then bailed them out...and now employs 2/3 of his staff with these same people he supposedly despises...LOL http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/279-82/11386-wall-streets-immunity Gooble gooble said the turkey - everywhere he turns, he steps in it
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audi:
rich n:
Obama losing ground in the polls (from a more liberal slanted source) because basically...the United States sucks with that lying, manipulative freakshow at the helm http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/n/newyorktimes-poll-watch/index.html
The scales will shift the other way soon enough, but it's a shame that Romney is polling well nationally. I share Bill Maher's opinion of the intelligence level of the average American. The fact that a significant amount of Americans STILL think that there was a connection between Iraq and 9/11 speaks volumes.
Doesn't this resonate much in the same vein as 'its not me, it's everyone else'?
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audi:
rich n:
Obama losing ground in the polls (from a more liberal slanted source) because basically...the United States sucks with that lying, manipulative freakshow at the helm http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/n/newyorktimes-poll-watch/index.html
The scales will shift the other way soon enough, but it's a shame that Romney is polling well nationally. I share Bill Maher's opinion of the intelligence level of the average American. The fact that a significant amount of Americans STILL think that there was a connection between Iraq and 9/11 speaks volumes.
I mean c'mon - can't any liberal just sit and try to think why this may be happening instead of coming out guns ablazin'? After all, from all the data you posted here, liberals surely have the edge in intellegence and should be able to figure this one out
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rich n:
service_gamer:
rich n:
audi:
Fail.
Of course - it doesn't fit the agenda
No, it just says that they didn't have knowledge of the incident, but they never said it didn't happen. When you couple that with the fact that Romney took the rather unusual step of simultaneously pleading ignorance to said event while also apologizing for high school pranks, it really undermines your link. Also, you should take a close look at mustangsally's comment. Even if the they had more concrete statements, why would the opinions of siblings who weren't there overrule those of the classmate's who were?
. All the times you've 'lectured' me over not reading the entire article? LOL - Only sister#1 said she does not know what happened...Sister#2 said the story was factually inaccurate...meaning however, Obama's team is trying to use it lacks integrity...and for her to say that means she was either there, or was told a version of the story from someone she finds credible (maybe her own brother before he passed away)....either way, I'll take her word over a report from some flakey liberal news source. And your attempt at trying to read into Romney's words - Talk about trying to find the 200 lb elephant in the room...LOL
I'm tired of holding back, so here comes a long overdue rant. I try and play nice because I think, 'Oh, maybe he's a nice guy, maybe I'm being too hard on him,' but screw that. So one sister said it was inaccurate, but another sister WHO WASN'T EVEN THERE - Oh noes this changes everything!! Except it doesn't - didn't. You again avoid logic, which is: Classmates present at event > sister with recollection, especially when coupled with Romney's weird apology/lack of recollection. Oh, and the Washington Post is a flaky liberal news source? You buy into the myth that the big ol' liberal media is trying to smear Romney here because you're an idiot and Republicans love appealing to the least common denominator - after all, how else are you going to convince the have-nots that it makes more sense for them to foot more of the bill than the wealthy? You know why I "lecture" you? Because I realize you are so blinded by your partisanship that I basically feel the need to think ahead and try and avoid every ignorant rebuttal that a poorly phrased comment might open itself up to (for instance, THIS post). Do you realize how much of a joke you are? That's a serious question. Any time someone brings up something credible you either change the subject or just avoid responding. In our last exchange about Obama's secret-muslim-Kenyan-independent-luring-gay-marriage-agenda, I asked you what? Two, three times to tell me when Bush or Cheney - whom you held up as pillars of brave gay marriage supporters on the right - supported gay marriage with the specter of an impending election? What did you say? Nothing. You go back to pretty much every "debate" we've had, and if I bring something credible to the table or it's a tricky question to answer, rather than admit being wrong or engage in intellectual jousting, you either fling misinformed vitriol or go away and let the topic change. Let's not overlook your predilection towards using your right-wing sources as paragons of truth and virtue (again, THIS story). You make your jokes about the Daily KOS or Media Matters, which I don't care about, because I don't go to them, but you can't see how hypocritical it is to post to similarly biased sources on the right. That either means you're disingenuous, biased and with an agenda or you're an idiot. Even if you'd preface it JUST ONCE with 'I know this is from a conservative source, so take it with a grain of salt...' it would at least be refreshing, but no. Anything that's negative about a conservative or positive about a liberal is automatically 'liberal media trash,' but anything to the antithesis of this is legitimate journalism. And I love how you've taken to use NBC as a verb to imply some sort of liberal agenda (it speaks volumes about your sense of humor, as does your use of ...LOL - are the ellipses supposed to create suspense?). I'm not a fan of MSNBC, because I think they're a bit too liberal, but you do realize that FOX News has a history of purposely distorting the truth to elevate conservatives and put down liberals, right? Whether it's manipulating quotes or "accidentally" putting a (D) instead of an (R) behind Republican politicians under fire for a scandal (remember Mark Sanford?). Oh, but I'm sure it's just another liberal conspiracy. And I'm sure it's just a coincidence that another of Rupert Murdoch's conservative media power-houses was recently found to be wholly and completely devoid of morals and ethically corrupt, right? And here's a free tip, if you want to be taken seriously, just say President Obama or even simply Obama. Don't give me some sort of playground BS about 'They call him mittens or they called him dubya.' Who cares? Act like a grown up and give the office some respect. Can you find an example of me tossing out Bush insults? Nope. I'm not offended or anything, I'm just embarrassed that someone trying to engage in an intellectual debate would refer to their subject as a "lying, manipulative freakshow." Pro tip: If the supposed dirt you have on your target (i.e. falling poll numbers) is good enough, you don't need to include an insult. You only distract from the real story and make yourself look childish. Truthfully, you're just clever enough to actually infuriate us liberals on here, when we probably should just ignore the conservative lemmings that troll. It doesn't bother me when someone is an absolutely moronic, intellectual lightweight when it comes to politics, but it enrages me when they think they are somehow enlightened and actually know what the hell they are talking about. I want to keep going, but I'll cut it short here. I just want you to know where I stand. Clearly we were never going to agree on politics, but any time I've tried to offer a place to call a truce or compromise, you've roundly ignored it, and you're such a rabid, pissy wingnut all the time, so why bother anymore? Oh, and I can't wait for you to claim victory because you've somehow riled me up. Truth is, I'm pissed that my Lakers looked so lifeless and I'm just tired of you and your ilk's idiotic spew. Like Andy "URL shorteners are secret, liberal PC destroyers" Shofar - disconnected, naive conservative shill. Hey Andy, while recapping presidential vacations, you left out something. The second bullet point should read "George W. & wife would go to their Crawford, Texas ranch where the president would clear brush and ignore memos that could spare thousands of American lives, then his party would point to the fact that he never repeated his colossal eff-up and somehow make it seem like he and his party were more attuned to matters of national security." I'm just going to try and view you conservatives on here as you are: Hilariously naive and misinformed. After all, when a toddler spouts off nonsense, do you engage him and explain in detail why he's wrong or just shake your head, smile and tussle his hair?
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I've come to expect that part of the liberal's agenda is to use insults and degrading messages instead of actually debating a point...and perhaps your right with your own jaded message that I've too become a bit jaded in the process...but so what? it's the 'stones/glass houses thing...and yeah, you do earn another 'LOL'
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Haha, kind of funny to see an attempt at a debate. There can not be a debate with one who is delusional. All the republican followers who vote against their own interests are delusional lemmings. I've actually been doing some reading on this because it's stunning to see somewhat close up and the clinical term best used seems to be delusional They can't absorb facts and see things through a filter such as the wreck the that republican policies made of the economy. It's kind of interesting but on the other hand it's dangerous beyond belief
like the way they can't absorb the facts on science and the climate. They actually subvert common sense and reason to follow 'their leader'
We have seen other groups in history who have subverted their individuality to follow a radical path against their own interests and it isn't pretty many suffer as we have seen with this radical delusional group of mentally disconnected republican followers.
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service_gamer:
rich n:
service_gamer:
rich n:
audi:
Fail.
Of course - it doesn't fit the agenda
No, it just says that they didn't have knowledge of the incident, but they never said it didn't happen. When you couple that with the fact that Romney took the rather unusual step of simultaneously pleading ignorance to said event while also apologizing for high school pranks, it really undermines your link. Also, you should take a close look at mustangsally's comment. Even if the they had more concrete statements, why would the opinions of siblings who weren't there overrule those of the classmate's who were?
. All the times you've 'lectured' me over not reading the entire article? LOL - Only sister#1 said she does not know what happened...Sister#2 said the story was factually inaccurate...meaning however, Obama's team is trying to use it lacks integrity...and for her to say that means she was either there, or was told a version of the story from someone she finds credible (maybe her own brother before he passed away)....either way, I'll take her word over a report from some flakey liberal news source. And your attempt at trying to read into Romney's words - Talk about trying to find the 200 lb elephant in the room...LOL
I'm tired of holding back, so here comes a long overdue rant. I try and play nice because I think, 'Oh, maybe he's a nice guy, maybe I'm being too hard on him,' but screw that. So one sister said it was inaccurate, but another sister WHO WASN'T EVEN THERE - Oh noes this changes everything!! Except it doesn't - didn't. You again avoid logic, which is: Classmates present at event > sister with recollection, especially when coupled with Romney's weird apology/lack of recollection. Oh, and the Washington Post is a flaky liberal news source? You buy into the myth that the big ol' liberal media is trying to smear Romney here because you're an idiot and Republicans love appealing to the least common denominator - after all, how else are you going to convince the have-nots that it makes more sense for them to foot more of the bill than the wealthy? You know why I "lecture" you? Because I realize you are so blinded by your partisanship that I basically feel the need to think ahead and try and avoid every ignorant rebuttal that a poorly phrased comment might open itself up to (for instance, THIS post). Do you realize how much of a joke you are? That's a serious question. Any time someone brings up something credible you either change the subject or just avoid responding. In our last exchange about Obama's secret-muslim-Kenyan-independent-luring-gay-marriage-agenda, I asked you what? Two, three times to tell me when Bush or Cheney - whom you held up as pillars of brave gay marriage supporters on the right - supported gay marriage with the specter of an impending election? What did you say? Nothing. You go back to pretty much every "debate" we've had, and if I bring something credible to the table or it's a tricky question to answer, rather than admit being wrong or engage in intellectual jousting, you either fling misinformed vitriol or go away and let the topic change. Let's not overlook your predilection towards using your right-wing sources as paragons of truth and virtue (again, THIS story). You make your jokes about the Daily KOS or Media Matters, which I don't care about, because I don't go to them, but you can't see how hypocritical it is to post to similarly biased sources on the right. That either means you're disingenuous, biased and with an agenda or you're an idiot. Even if you'd preface it JUST ONCE with 'I know this is from a conservative source, so take it with a grain of salt...' it would at least be refreshing, but no. Anything that's negative about a conservative or positive about a liberal is automatically 'liberal media trash,' but anything to the antithesis of this is legitimate journalism. And I love how you've taken to use NBC as a verb to imply some sort of liberal agenda (it speaks volumes about your sense of humor, as does your use of ...LOL - are the ellipses supposed to create suspense?). I'm not a fan of MSNBC, because I think they're a bit too liberal, but you do realize that FOX News has a history of purposely distorting the truth to elevate conservatives and put down liberals, right? Whether it's manipulating quotes or "accidentally" putting a (D) instead of an (R) behind Republican politicians under fire for a scandal (remember Mark Sanford?). Oh, but I'm sure it's just another liberal conspiracy. And I'm sure it's just a coincidence that another of Rupert Murdoch's conservative media power-houses was recently found to be wholly and completely devoid of morals and ethically corrupt, right? And here's a free tip, if you want to be taken seriously, just say President Obama or even simply Obama. Don't give me some sort of playground BS about 'They call him mittens or they called him dubya.' Who cares? Act like a grown up and give the office some respect. Can you find an example of me tossing out Bush insults? Nope. I'm not offended or anything, I'm just embarrassed that someone trying to engage in an intellectual debate would refer to their subject as a "lying, manipulative freakshow." Pro tip: If the supposed dirt you have on your target (i.e. falling poll numbers) is good enough, you don't need to include an insult. You only distract from the real story and make yourself look childish. Truthfully, you're just clever enough to actually infuriate us liberals on here, when we probably should just ignore the conservative lemmings that troll. It doesn't bother me when someone is an absolutely moronic, intellectual lightweight when it comes to politics, but it enrages me when they think they are somehow enlightened and actually know what the hell they are talking about. I want to keep going, but I'll cut it short here. I just want you to know where I stand. Clearly we were never going to agree on politics, but any time I've tried to offer a place to call a truce or compromise, you've roundly ignored it, and you're such a rabid, pissy wingnut all the time, so why bother anymore? Oh, and I can't wait for you to claim victory because you've somehow riled me up. Truth is, I'm pissed that my Lakers looked so lifeless and I'm just tired of you and your ilk's idiotic spew. Like Andy "URL shorteners are secret, liberal PC destroyers" Shofar - disconnected, naive conservative shill. Hey Andy, while recapping presidential vacations, you left out something. The second bullet point should read "George W. & wife would go to their Crawford, Texas ranch where the president would clear brush and ignore memos that could spare thousands of American lives, then his party would point to the fact that he never repeated his colossal eff-up and somehow make it seem like he and his party were more attuned to matters of national security." I'm just going to try and view you conservatives on here as you are: Hilariously naive and misinformed. After all, when a toddler spouts off nonsense, do you engage him and explain in detail why he's wrong or just shake your head, smile and tussle his hair?
I feel like I've just been taken to church!