Baroness Thatcher passes away after a stroke...
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I can say I feel sorry about her death, she was a "friend" of Pinochet, the dictator who killed so many people in my country. And, I remember how hard she was with Irish people. So when people like her died, I feel the world is a better place
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I was just thinking that in the USA when a President dies, we, (being Americans,) usually all come together as US citizens and put aside all our bad feelings/hatred/ other negative emotions and give respect for our deceased President for a proper funeral. I see there is alot of hatred for Margaret Thatcher, and I guess I am just very surprised so many people hate her, or feel good to voice the news of her death. I understand others in other countries to be happy she is dead. Like people in others countries are happy when the USA has a problem and a death. Maybe I am just surprised by so much hatred towards her in her own country. Just an observation.
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THANK THE LORD! WHAT A B--CH!!
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hey_kittay:
I understand others in other countries to be happy she is dead. Like people in others countries are happy when the USA has a problem and a death. Maybe I am just surprised by so much hatred towards her in her own country. Just an observation.
Why is that? Surely those who have lived their lives for over a decade in subject to her rule are the ones most entitled and most likely to feel resentment. As I said before, us Europeans love Obama and struggle to understand why so many Americans are so vehemently opposed to him. It's actually very divisive what has happened this week in the UK. Before Thatcher died I'd say a large majority of people would have been against her, although again she was very divisive - you loved her or you hated her. Now she's dead the divisions are deeper. People who choose not to suddenly change their mind about her and say she was great are roundly criticised by many, because of this strange taboo we have on speaking ill of the dead. I would balk at being too insulting now, but all these voices telling us we have to now speak well of her sound so sanctimonious and annoying!! Don't we have a right to our opinions? Do we have to hide the truth just because someone died?
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People are entitled to their opinions about her but actively celebrating her death is too far IMO.
Adriana Rojas:
I remember how hard she was with Irish people.
That's a rather controversial statement.
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illwobble:
hey_kittay:
I understand others in other countries to be happy she is dead. Like people in others countries are happy when the USA has a problem and a death. Maybe I am just surprised by so much hatred towards her in her own country. Just an observation.
Why is that? Surely those who have lived their lives for over a decade in subject to her rule are the ones most entitled and most likely to feel resentment. As I said before, us Europeans love Obama and struggle to understand why so many Americans are so vehemently opposed to him. It's actually very divisive what has happened this week in the UK. Before Thatcher died I'd say a large majority of people would have been against her, although again she was very divisive - you loved her or you hated her. Now she's dead the divisions are deeper. People who choose not to suddenly change their mind about her and say she was great are roundly criticised by many, because of this strange taboo we have on speaking ill of the dead. I would balk at being too insulting now, but all these voices telling us we have to now speak well of her sound so sanctimonious and annoying!! Don't we have a right to our opinions? Do we have to hide the truth just because someone died?
I have never heard such hatred voiced about a leader in the Free World before. Say whatever you all want, it just is shocking to hear people rejoicing her death as if she were Adolph Hitler or Joseph Stalin. As horrible as people are saying she was, what would the world have had if you had no had Margaret Thatcher? Do you even know? I don't. Who could have done a better job in the circumstances? I do not rejoice over anyone's death. Even those who have destroyed my life. So I guess I just don't understand. That is okay by me personally. I am glad The Queen is around to hold the country together after being a witness to all this hatred for a politician. Is North Wales in Europe now? Just wondered. We all have to pay the price for what we do or do not do here on the earth. I would not be judging a dead woman so harshly unless I had walked in her shoes. None of us knows the real political circumstanes behind her decisions, we are not privy to that information and for a good reason. (And I voted for Obama two times and am now losing my health insurance.) RIP Barnoness Thatcher and God Save The Queen!
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hey_kittay:
illwobble:
hey_kittay:
I understand others in other countries to be happy she is dead. Like people in others countries are happy when the USA has a problem and a death. Maybe I am just surprised by so much hatred towards her in her own country. Just an observation.
Why is that? Surely those who have lived their lives for over a decade in subject to her rule are the ones most entitled and most likely to feel resentment. As I said before, us Europeans love Obama and struggle to understand why so many Americans are so vehemently opposed to him. It's actually very divisive what has happened this week in the UK. Before Thatcher died I'd say a large majority of people would have been against her, although again she was very divisive - you loved her or you hated her. Now she's dead the divisions are deeper. People who choose not to suddenly change their mind about her and say she was great are roundly criticised by many, because of this strange taboo we have on speaking ill of the dead. I would balk at being too insulting now, but all these voices telling us we have to now speak well of her sound so sanctimonious and annoying!! Don't we have a right to our opinions? Do we have to hide the truth just because someone died?
I have never heard such hatred voiced about a leader in the Free World before. Say whatever you all want, it just is shocking to hear people rejoicing her death as if she were Adolph Hitler or Joseph Stalin. As horrible as people are saying she was, what would the world have had if you had no had Margaret Thatcher? Do you even know? I don't. Who could have done a better job in the circumstances? I do not rejoice over anyone's death. Even those who have destroyed my life. So I guess I just don't understand. That is okay by me personally. I am glad The Queen is around to hold the country together after being a witness to all this hatred for a politician. Is North Wales in Europe now? Just wondered. We all have to pay the price for what we do or do not do here on the earth. I would not be judging a dead woman so harshly unless I had walked in her shoes. None of us knows the real political circumstanes behind her decisions, we are not privy to that information and for a good reason. (And I voted for Obama two times and am now losing my health insurance.) RIP Barnoness Thatcher and God Save The Queen!
You're right, now is a very tasteless time to be celebrating. The time to celebrate was in 1990 when Thatcher was removed from power, not following her death when she was already suffering from advanced dementia. I understand that that is shocking. The other point I'd make is that in the UK we have a very different political culture from the US, in that we have a tradition of scepticism towards our politicians which seems to be absent in the US - or at least it seems to be different here. We tend not to revere our elected leaders, and are frequently rude about them without this meaning much. This may seem shocking to Americans. Btw, I hear Austalians are far more disrespectful of their politicians that us Brits are. In the UK it goes against the grain to hear these gushing calls to respect and speak well of a leader as divisive as Thatcher was. These patronising and sanctimonious statements that we should now be waving the flag for her and marking minutes' silence for her - they really go against the grain for us Brits, I think. And whoever tries to force through public minutes' silences should not be surprised when some people boo through them. I would never do that myself. I would not download "Ding dong the witch is dead" myself, but I think it's important we live in a country where we're free to do that. It's these patronising calls to rally round her memory that - to me - are provoking people and opening up the wounds.
cfergoid:
People are entitled to their opinions about her but actively celebrating her death is too far IMO.
Adriana Rojas:
I remember how hard she was with Irish people.
That's a rather controversial statement.
Try and make an uncontroversial statement about Thatcher! Not easy! Even though our esteemed politicians have been doing their best all week, they've tended to fail.
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Did you guys like the song I've posted? Isn't it catchy? If there is a hell, I hope the B*tch burns in it
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"To be, or not to be, aye there's the point, To Die, to sleep, is that all? Aye all: No, to sleep, to dream, aye marry there it goes, For in that dream of death, when we awake, And borne before an everlasting Judge, From whence no passenger ever returned, The undiscovered country, at whose sight The happy smile, and the accursed damned. But for this, the joyful hope of this, Who'd bear the scorns and flattery of the world, Scorned by the right rich, the rich cursed of the poor? The widow being oppressed, the orphan wronged, The taste of hunger, or a tyrant's reign, And thousand more calamities besides, To grunt and sweat under this wealthy life, When that he may his full Quietus make, With a bare bodkin, who would this endure, But for a hope of something after death? Which puzzles the brain, and doth confound the sense, Which makes us rather bear those evils we have, Than fly to others that we know not of. Aye that, O this conscience makes cowards of us all, Lady in thy orisons, be all my sins remembered."
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javilu:
Did you guys like the song I've posted? Isn't it catchy?
It is a very good song, yes. Classic Elvis Costello lyrics.
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Some good points made here: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/mark-steel-you-cant-just-shut-us-up-now-that-margaret-thatchers-dead-8568785.html Also this quote on FB by a friend of mine: "Just watched Return Of The Jedi. Disgusted by the distasteful scenes at the end where everyone is celebrating the death of Emperor Palpatine. He may have been divisive but he was strong, he made decisions and stuck to them. I think he should get a bit of respect. He was, after all, a little old man who died, when you remove any other context whatsoever."
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illwobble:
javilu:
Did you guys like the song I've posted? Isn't it catchy?
It is a very good song, yes. Classic Elvis Costello lyrics.
Sir, I've posted an Elton John song, not the Costello one:
By the way: Thatcher is remembered as The Iron Lady only because she possessed completely negative traits such as persistent stubbornness and a determined refusal to listen to others. Every move she made was charged by negativity; she destroyed the British manufacturing industry, she hated the miners, she hated the arts, she hated the Irish Freedom Fighters and allowed them to die, she hated the English poor and did nothing at all to help them, she hated Greenpeace and environmental protectionists, she was the only European political leader who opposed a ban on the ivory trade, she had no wit and no warmth and even her own cabinet booted her out. She gave the order to blow up The Belgrano even though it was outside of the Malvinas Exclusion Zone?and was sailing AWAY from the islands! When the young Argentinean boys aboard The Belgrano had suffered a most appalling and unjust death, Thatcher gave the thumbs-up sign for the British press. Iron? No. Barbaric? Yes. She hated feminists even though it was largely due to the progression of the women's movement that the British people allowed themselves to accept that a prime minister could actually be female. But because of Thatcher, there will never again be another woman in power in British politics, and rather than opening that particular door for other women, she closed it. Thatcher will only be fondly remembered by sentimentalists who did not suffer under her leadership, but the majority of British working people have forgotten her already, and the people of Argentina will be celebrating her death. As a matter of recorded fact, Thatcher was a terror without an atom of humanity. MORRISSEY. -
javilu:
illwobble:
javilu:
Did you guys like the song I've posted? Isn't it catchy?
It is a very good song, yes. Classic Elvis Costello lyrics.
Sir, I've posted an Elton John song, not the Costello one:
Oh sorry! Yes, I was wondering whether Elton John would be asked to sing one of his songs at the funeral like at Lady Di's one!
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illwobble:
I know Americans all love her, but not many of us Brits have any fondness for her at all. Even though I was still young I remember the immense relief when she left power. Her policies were disasterous and she's had few fans in Britain in recent years. I just hope that doesn't suddenly change now just because she died.
In the same line of thought, not all Americans are "in love" with their own elected officials. However, if I outlive any of them - I do not plan on dancing on their grave or singing (or purchasing) songs "celebrating" their death.
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illwobble:
javilu:
illwobble:
javilu:
Did you guys like the song I've posted? Isn't it catchy?
It is a very good song, yes. Classic Elvis Costello lyrics.
Sir, I've posted an Elton John song, not the Costello one:
Oh sorry! Yes, I was wondering whether Elton John would be asked to sing one of his songs at the funeral like at Lady Di's one!
Hahaha! Maybe the one I've posted?
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I saw on t v where she was qouted saying "Its a funny old world isn't it?" Yes it is. They may have put that in the recent movie about her. I have not seen it yet. But what I saw of her I liked. I saw on t v yesterday they were singing the "witch was dead" In Hyde Park. I was suprised when they said they were singing it about her.
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I attended a Carcass concert on Saturday. The show ended with "The witch is dead" dedicated to you-know-who
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I have to say javilu, you are showing what an evil vindictive, nasty piece of work you are. Some ones Mum, Grandmother, Friend has died and all you can do is make nasty remarks and you should never celebrate someones death and wish they go to hell, that is very uncalled for and not a nice thing to do. Personally i am surprised this thread hasnt been closed as it is now just a bashing thread instead of a report on her death
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illwobble:
javilu:
illwobble:
javilu:
Did you guys like the song I've posted? Isn't it catchy?
It is a very good song, yes. Classic Elvis Costello lyrics.
Sir, I've posted an Elton John song, not the Costello one:
Oh sorry! Yes, I was wondering whether Elton John would be asked to sing one of his songs at the funeral like at Lady Di's one!
I know the gay people didn't like her because she encouraged a law that taught not to be gay or something in school. But like didn't she have a right to have her own beliefs same as any other? And for whatever reason they" didn't stop her. She didn't feel it was healthy as do others. Here in America there is seperation of church and state and she wouldn't have been able to do that anyway. So a religious opinion would have never gotten by. I don't believe sodomy itself is healthy either.
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Boggle:
I have to say javilu, you are showing what an evil vindictive, nasty piece of work you are. Some ones Mum, Grandmother, Friend has died and all you can do is make nasty remarks and you should never celebrate someones death and wish they go to hell, that is very uncalled for and not a nice thing to do. Personally i am surprised this thread hasnt been closed as it is now just a bashing thread instead of a report on her death
Read about the sinking of the Belgrano and see who the nasty piece of work was. There ya go, looks like most brits disagree with you!