The Cynthia, Jane, Pattie and Maureen thread
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Nancy R wrote:
^ George was singing about the girls who hung around outside Apple at 3 Savile Row. I shouldn't have called Paul's groupies at his London home by that name. They did get in (She Came In Through The Bathroom Window) and stole stuff like a pair of his trousers! He confronted them and they admitted to it, but he couldn't believe how they actually did it! So they showed him how they got his ladder and climbed up to the bathroom window!
Have you seen this cartoon?
It's a parody of the type of "young ladies" that used to hang around Paul's house in 1967-1968, especially the ones that flew in from the US. Not all were this extreme of course, but... still interesting... 
I'm definitely not the groupie type at all, but if I had visited London and been outside his home for a moment, and was "invited inside" I would have been content just to scrub his toilets and do any cleaning or laundry, take Martha for walks, and perhaps make him an egg salad sandwich... an "Apple Scrub" not Scruff... and still would have been a great memory! Not judging Paul at all... I mean, he had so much fame to deal with... and I'm sure it would have been difficult for ANY single man to resist all that attention. I think it must have been a confusing time for him, but feel he wouldn't have liked that lifestyle for much longer, and was seeking something more stable. 0nce he met Linda and was totally committed though, things changed 100%.
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June 7, 1968 at brother Mike's wedding
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Leslie, that video was okay, but they had it taking place in Jan. & Feb. 1970 which was odd and at the end the silhouette of Paul is holding his Hofner bass right-handed!
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Nancy R wrote:
Leslie, that video was okay, but they had it taking place in Jan. & Feb. 1970 which was odd and at the end the silhouette of Paul is holding his Hofner bass right-handed!
️Yeah, I noticed those things too! When I see those kind of inaccuracies, it's like nails on a chalkboard!!
I liked the artwork of the cartoon though, and thought it was a good parody of (enlarged numbers here: ) 1968! NOT 1970!
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LadyLeslie wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
Leslie, that video was okay, but they had it taking place in Jan. & Feb. 1970 which was odd and at the end the silhouette of Paul is holding his Hofner bass right-handed!
️Yeah, I noticed those things too! When I see those kind of inaccuracies, it's like nails on a chalkboard!!
I liked the artwork of the cartoon though, and thought it was a good parody of (enlarged numbers here: ) 1968! NOT 1970!
Agree!
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"Ringo Starr with [wife] Barbara Bach, Pattie Boyd and Jane Asher at the Nordoff-Robbins Music Therapy Fashion Show charity gala held at the Savoy Hotel in London, September 12, 1986"
Good to see that in spite of what happened with Paul, that Jane was still on friendly terms with Ringo & Pattie, and willing to pose for a photo.
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^ Jane still looked so young, yet she was 40 there! Barbara was 39 and Pattie was 42. And of course Ringo was 46.
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June 7, 1968 at brother Mike's wedding in Liverpool. Last photos of them together.
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1967
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Jane with her 3 kids by Gerald Scarfe: Rory, Katie & Alex.
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I knew Cynthia was an artist, but didn’t realize how good she was! WOW!
https://www.beatlesbookstore.com/a-cyn-full-portfolio-cynthia-lennon/
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@ladyleslie said in The Cynthia, Jane, Pattie and Maureen thread:
Interesting interview with Jane Asher, from 2004, where she gives her reasons for not wanting to talk about her time with Paul and The Beatles
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/theatre/drama/3622480/The-darkness-behind-the-smile.html
This is an excerpt:
I'm struck by an image that has haunted me since I first encountered it while researching her career. Her father, whom she loved dearly, committed suicide, having become seriously ill, and his body lay undiscovered for a week in the basement of the Ashers' Wimpole Street home.
"Oh well, that's overplayed too," she says, dismissively, when I tentatively raise the subject. "He was ill and it was horrible and . . . that's enough. That's really sensitive stuff, not so much for me, but to my mother. And life's much more complicated than, 'Her father kills herself, so that's why she's got deep, dark wells and she finds parts like that.' That's simplistic psychology."
True, but it does suggest why Asher might feel that even the happiest family is just one step away from catastrophe. I wonder, too, whether a similar desire to avoid pain explains the other great denial in her life: her relationship with Paul McCartney.
Asher met him on April 18, 1963, two weeks after her 17th birthday, having been sent by the Radio Times to interview the Beatles. In The Beatles Anthology, McCartney recalls: "We all fancied her - I tried pulling her, succeeded, and we were boyfriend and girlfriend for quite a long time."
Asher's mother invited McCartney to live in the family home. There, he and Lennon wrote I Want to Hold Your Hand and several more of McCartney's greatest songs, including We Can Work It Out, said to be inspired by his relationship with Jane. His fellow Beatles assumed the couple would marry, but Paul ended up with the American photographer Linda Eastman.
Asher has never said a word about the relationship, or the Beatles, since. I have no expectation whatever that she will break her silence for me. But I am curious about why, after all these years, she will not share her experience of one of the great cultural phenomena of the past century.
"I realise I'm hypersensitive and probably slightly paranoid," she says, "but clearly the major connection with all that is personal. And because I've been happily married for 30-something years, it's insulting [to her husband and family]."
I push the point: "If I met the Dark Lady, I'd be bound to ask her about Shakespeare." Asher replies, "Yes, but the Dark Lady might say, 'I'm very sorry, but I'm now married to this playwright who hasn't had a single success, and his sonnets are crap, but I love him.' "
It's not easy to see what this response says about her feelings for her husband. But I press on, objecting that I couldn't care less what her teenage sex-life was like; I'm interested in the cultural history she's witnessed.
"I know what you're interested in," Asher accepts. "It may be musical, but my connection to that is personal, so it opens up a whole thing. You have to make a blanket rule and that's the decision I made, many years ago. And because I made that decision, it's just easier to stick to it."
I draw three possible hypotheses from all this. First, that Asher quite enjoys the game of witholding something she knows people want, then watching them try to crack her resolve. Second, that she's stuck in a position from which she can't now extract herself. And third, that she's telling the truth. She can't separate the historical from the personal. And the personal still hurts...
It seems like, in this interview, that she's thinking of her husband, in not wanting to discuss Paul or The Beatles. Have to respect her for that. But it must also be difficult (as the last sentences of the quote above state) to separate her personal feelings from looking at it from a historical standpoint.
As far as I can see, Paul also has retained "radio silence" about his relationship with Jane. I have never seen any interviews regarding him and Jane. Just have to face it, they are both "old skool". They won't "kiss and tell". Good on them!!
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@wandy Paul only mentions Jane in passing during Wingspan when Mary is interviewing him, he talks about in 1963 he went to a palm reader and she said he was going to marry a blonde woman and have “3 or 4 kids” (interesting since he had 3 biological kids with Linda + Heather who he adopted) and he said to Mary, “But I was going steady with a redhead then.” (“Going steady”
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@love2travel said in The Cynthia, Jane, Pattie and Maureen thread:
LadyLeslie wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
At Mike & Angie's wedding June 7, 1968
Great photo! It's amazing to think that just a few weeks later he'd be with Linda in LA.... then Francie that summer..... If he wasn't a Beatle he'd have been good at flipping houses
But we 
him.He flips houses? I've never heard that before?
Ladyleslie I have left you a private message.
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I know she isn’t listed in the title of this thread, but here’s Paul, circa 1959, with Dot Rhone, his girlfriend from late 1958/early 1959 to the fall of 1962.
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This has to be Cynthia on the left (maybe right too) I see so much of Julian in her face, I found it on Pinterest along with childhood pics of Linda & Yoko, but none were labeled!
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Drawing Cynthia did of her wedding to John. No photos were taken. Aug. 23, 1962
