Top 5 Reasons Paul Frustrates/Annoys You

[oobu24]

@njr He could be walking off into the sunset

[John Mackintosh]

@oobu24 it may just be a poster but it is a much better way to say you might be done than announcing it as those who do so oftentimes change their minds and get back out there on the road and it makes the entire “retirement” look like just a false clam to sell tickets. This way the door is always open for a tour or a random concert appearance. Plus, thinking way back to 1969 when I was in my teens years and the “Paul is Dead” yap started, a big part of it was fed by that famous photo of him, barefoot, walking across Abbey Road with his fellow Beatles. Maybe this a subtle linkage, bridging the decades.

[oobu24]

@john-mackintosh said in Top 5 Reasons Paul Frustrates/Annoys You:

@oobu24 it may just be a poster but it is a much better way to say you might be done than announcing it as those who do so oftentimes change their minds and get back out there on the road and it makes the entire “retirement” look like just a false clam to sell tickets. This way the door is always open for a tour or a random concert appearance. Plus, thinking way back to 1969 when I was in my teens years and the “Paul is Dead” yap started, a big part of it was fed by that famous photo of him, barefoot, walking across Abbey Road with his fellow Beatles. Maybe this a subtle linkage, bridging the decades.

Great comparison with the walking barefoot across the road. Too bad he wasn't barefoot in the poster.

[NJR]

@oobu24 said in Top 5 Reasons Paul Frustrates/Annoys You:

@john-mackintosh said in Top 5 Reasons Paul Frustrates/Annoys You:

@oobu24 it may just be a poster but it is a much better way to say you might be done than announcing it as those who do so oftentimes change their minds and get back out there on the road and it makes the entire “retirement” look like just a false clam to sell tickets. This way the door is always open for a tour or a random concert appearance. Plus, thinking way back to 1969 when I was in my teens years and the “Paul is Dead” yap started, a big part of it was fed by that famous photo of him, barefoot, walking across Abbey Road with his fellow Beatles. Maybe this a subtle linkage, bridging the decades.

Great comparison with the walking barefoot across the road. Too bad he wasn't barefoot in the poster.

That’s exactly what I was thinking!

[Bruce M.]

@toris said in Top 5 Reasons Paul Frustrates/Annoys You:

@toris And I love Paul!!! I'm not trying to be provocative.... But come up with Paul's best 14 songs since 2000..... there are some great songs in the mix... but... they don't measure to his best songs with the Beatles or Wings... or even the period from the 80's-90's.... we will agree to disagree.... It doesn't really matter.... cos, either way, we all love Paul.

I 100% disagree there. I would rate Friends to Go, Jenny Wren, Mr. Bellamy, The End of the End, Dominoes, Only Mama Knows, Hand in Hand, I Don't Know and several others not immediately coming to mind as at least as good as nearly anything he did with Wings and better than most, and thoroughly competitive with much of his Beatles stuff -- and better than 90% of what he produced in the '80s and '90s. If you could go back in time and slip a couple of those songs onto Revolver or Abbey Road, they'd universally be acclaimed as masterpieces.

But getting back to the point of the thread, yeah, the set lists and recycled banter are frustrating. But Paul is clearly a bit of a control freak re: performances and does not like to leave things to chance. We hardcore fans end up frustrated, but most of the audience is hearing this stuff for the first time and they eat it up.

As for Paul's voice, yeah, the decline is sad, but I don't think any of us is in a position to diagnose why/how. I actually think it has less to do with weed, cigarettes and lack of drinking water during shows than the fact that he still does 3 hour shows with lots of pretty intense, throat-straining vocals (even though he can't quite do them like when he was young). Someone like Paul Simon, for example, still has a pretty intact voice because he mostly sings pretty gently and never cuts loose like Paul does on songs like Maybe I'm Amazed. But none of us is a doctor or vocal coach and we're probably better off leaving the diagnosis to others.

[Bruce M.]

@john-mackintosh said in Top 5 Reasons Paul Frustrates/Annoys You:

@oobu24 it may just be a poster but it is a much better way to say you might be done than announcing it as those who do so oftentimes change their minds and get back out there on the road and it makes the entire “retirement” look like just a false clam to sell tickets. This way the door is always open for a tour or a random concert appearance. Plus, thinking way back to 1969 when I was in my teens years and the “Paul is Dead” yap started, a big part of it was fed by that famous photo of him, barefoot, walking across Abbey Road with his fellow Beatles. Maybe this a subtle linkage, bridging the decades.

I thought it had been established that this was not an official poster from the tour. Am I misremembering?

[toris]

@bruce-m said in Top 5 Reasons Paul Frustrates/Annoys You:

@toris said in Top 5 Reasons Paul Frustrates/Annoys You:

@toris And I love Paul!!! I'm not trying to be provocative.... But come up with Paul's best 14 songs since 2000..... there are some great songs in the mix... but... they don't measure to his best songs with the Beatles or Wings... or even the period from the 80's-90's.... we will agree to disagree.... It doesn't really matter.... cos, either way, we all love Paul.

I 100% disagree there. I would rate Friends to Go, Jenny Wren, Mr. Bellamy, The End of the End, Dominoes, Only Mama Knows, Hand in Hand, I Don't Know and several others not immediately coming to mind as at least as good as nearly anything he did with Wings and better than most, and thoroughly competitive with much of his Beatles stuff -- and better than 90% of what he produced in the '80s and '90s. If you could go back in time and slip a couple of those songs onto Revolver or Abbey Road, they'd universally be acclaimed as masterpieces.

But getting back to the point of the thread, yeah, the set lists and recycled banter are frustrating. But Paul is clearly a bit of a control freak re: performances and does not like to leave things to chance. We hardcore fans end up frustrated, but most of the audience is hearing this stuff for the first time and they eat it up.

As for Paul's voice, yeah, the decline is sad, but I don't think any of us is in a position to diagnose why/how. I actually think it has less to do with weed, cigarettes and lack of drinking water during shows than the fact that he still does 3 hour shows with lots of pretty intense, throat-straining vocals (even though he can't quite do them like when he was young). Someone like Paul Simon, for example, still has a pretty intact voice because he mostly sings pretty gently and never cuts loose like Paul does on songs like Maybe I'm Amazed. But none of us is a doctor or vocal coach and we're probably better off leaving the diagnosis to others.

I think his voice is "shot" just because of one reason.... He set such high standards. Brilliant standards..... Dylan, Paul Simon (Graceland is an epic), Bruce and Willy and so many others never had great voices to begin with.... I am guilty of holding Paul to his epic voice of Wings Over America (and I will throw in Back to the Egg).... So, comparatively, his voice has diminished more than the others.

ps. I'm not saying those songs you mentioned were not great. I love them all, maybe not so much "I Don't Know"'... And I could also name another 20-30.... more... But, it's only because there is a lot of inference about how he has "overvalued" his Beatles' time....

Dominoes is wonderful...

I love the Beatles. An interesting exercise, for another time..... what Paul Beatles' tracks would you knock off for something he did post-Beatles?... I just cannot name a lot of Paul Beatles' tracks that could be completely usurped..... that being said, there were four Beatles... a lot easier contributing 4-5 songs on an album than the whole fill.... But there isn't a lot of Paul songs with the Beatles' that I don't like.... and, yes, I do LOVE Why Don't We Do it in the Road.... in fact, I'm struggling to think of a Paul song I never liked from the Beatles....

That being said, I still think the two albums that never were.... from 70-73.... would've been epic.

[Bruce M.]

@toris said in Top 5 Reasons Paul Frustrates/Annoys You:

@bruce-m said in Top 5 Reasons Paul Frustrates/Annoys You:

@toris said in Top 5 Reasons Paul Frustrates/Annoys You:

@toris And I love Paul!!! I'm not trying to be provocative.... But come up with Paul's best 14 songs since 2000..... there are some great songs in the mix... but... they don't measure to his best songs with the Beatles or Wings... or even the period from the 80's-90's.... we will agree to disagree.... It doesn't really matter.... cos, either way, we all love Paul.

I 100% disagree there. I would rate Friends to Go, Jenny Wren, Mr. Bellamy, The End of the End, Dominoes, Only Mama Knows, Hand in Hand, I Don't Know and several others not immediately coming to mind as at least as good as nearly anything he did with Wings and better than most, and thoroughly competitive with much of his Beatles stuff -- and better than 90% of what he produced in the '80s and '90s. If you could go back in time and slip a couple of those songs onto Revolver or Abbey Road, they'd universally be acclaimed as masterpieces.

But getting back to the point of the thread, yeah, the set lists and recycled banter are frustrating. But Paul is clearly a bit of a control freak re: performances and does not like to leave things to chance. We hardcore fans end up frustrated, but most of the audience is hearing this stuff for the first time and they eat it up.

As for Paul's voice, yeah, the decline is sad, but I don't think any of us is in a position to diagnose why/how. I actually think it has less to do with weed, cigarettes and lack of drinking water during shows than the fact that he still does 3 hour shows with lots of pretty intense, throat-straining vocals (even though he can't quite do them like when he was young). Someone like Paul Simon, for example, still has a pretty intact voice because he mostly sings pretty gently and never cuts loose like Paul does on songs like Maybe I'm Amazed. But none of us is a doctor or vocal coach and we're probably better off leaving the diagnosis to others.

I think his voice is "shot" just because of one reason.... He set such high standards. Brilliant standards..... Dylan, Paul Simon (Graceland is an epic), Bruce and Willy and so many others never had great voices to begin with.... I am guilty of holding Paul to his epic voice of Wings Over America (and I will throw in Back to the Egg).... So, comparatively, his voice has diminished more than the others.

ps. I'm not saying those songs you mentioned were not great. I love them all, maybe not so much "I Don't Know"'... And I could also name another 20-30.... more... But, it's only because there is a lot of inference about how he has "overvalued" his Beatles' time....

Dominoes is wonderful...

I love the Beatles. An interesting exercise, for another time..... what Paul Beatles' tracks would you knock off for something he did post-Beatles?... I just cannot name a lot of Paul Beatles' tracks that could be completely usurped..... that being said, there were four Beatles... a lot easier contributing 4-5 songs on an album than the whole fill.... But there isn't a lot of Paul songs with the Beatles' that I don't like.... and, yes, I do LOVE Why Don't We Do it in the Road.... in fact, I'm struggling to think of a Paul song I never liked from the Beatles....

That being said, I still think the two albums that never were.... from 70-73.... would've been epic.

There are a few Paul Beatles songs I could imagine deleting and replacing with later tunes, but there's no question that the Beatles, overall, had much more consistent quality than any of them as solo acts. When you have 3 strong songwriters in a band, it's easy to weed out the weaker songs. And they were all huge talents in desperate need of an editor, and they never had editors better than the other Beatles. I remember that John once said (and I wish I remembered the source for this) that he and Paul were each other's bulls**t detectors, and I think that about sums it up. Parenthetically, can you imagine what it must have been like to be George Harrison trying to get a few of your songs onto an album when your competition is John Lennon and Paul McCartney? No wonder he got frustrated.

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@toris ps. I don't know why I have these black strips in my responses....

[NJR]

@toris said in Top 5 Reasons Paul Frustrates/Annoys You:

@toris ps. I don't know why I have these black strips in my responses....

I don’t see any black strips in your posts. In the other thread, some of BJ’s posts have black strips on a couple of songs he was listing.
Weird!

[toris]

@njr said in Top 5 Reasons Paul Frustrates/Annoys You:

@toris said in Top 5 Reasons Paul Frustrates/Annoys You:

@toris ps. I don't know why I have these black strips in my responses....

I don’t see any black strips in your posts. In the other thread, some of BJ’s posts have black strips on a couple of songs he was listing.
Weird!

All good, Nance. I was just replying to Bruce how much I love George. For some reason, the internet went crazy... "blacked out" my comments.... all good!

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