Hi,
I really don't want to have any arguments with fellow Paul McCartney and Beatles fans, but I have to correct and debunk the totally ignorant comment that the writer Stephanie Eckhardt said in the article linked on here which I had already read before I saw it linked here and got very upset,because in the first sentance in her article,Remembering Astrid Kirchherr she so wrongly, ignorantly,unjustly and ludicrously said that The Beatles will forever be remembered as the original boy band after they formed in 1960.
The Beatles were *NEVER* a ''boy band''. As a poster Reverend Rock,who is a rock musician,reverend and a big Beatles fan said when someone on a classic rock site years ago, ignorantly called them this,that anyone who knows The Beatles history knows it's ludicrous to even *suggest* such a thing! And what a huge insult to their enormous talent as true singers,song writers and musicians!
The Beatles were a *zillion* times more talented and cool than any stupid,uncool,untalented real boy band! The Monkees are the first true boy band because they didn't even start off as a genuine band, they were all musical but they were originally hired as actors to play members of a TV pop rock band for their TV show, they didn't start off playing together like Paul at age 15,George age 14 and John age 16 playing guitars and singing,then playing a few years later for 8 hours a night in sleazy strip clubs( and The Beatles had sex with many young women groupies,many who were teen girls and strippers) like The Beatles did in Hamburg Germany(or anywhere) for 2 years in a row,taking speed pills to stay awake to do it,and working their a*ses off playing as a real rock n roll band,and then playing successfully in the Cavern club as a real rock n roll band for years by the time they made it big.
And The Beatles wrote and played a lot of great rock n roll and pop rock songs in their early days. John and Paul wrote the rock n roll song I Wanna Be Your Man write in front of Keith Richards and Mick Jagger in 1963 and they were both really impressed that they could just write a song just like that,and it inspired them to start writing their own songs and both bands became good friends from then on.
And this song was one of The Rolling Stones first hits. There is just no comparison to The Monkees etc. A guy so accurately said on a message board many years ago when some idiots called them a ''boy band'' that The Beatles were *never* a boy band,not even during their 1963-1965 period. And another guy said a few years after this on another forum,when some idiot said this,that he too once thought the early Beatles were a boy band like NSYNC,or The Back Street Boys,until he got out of 7th grade.
Every time some ignorant person unjustly calls them a boy band,I'm sure John Lennon's ashes must be turning with outrage.I'm sure he would go on to these sites and say I was *not* the founder and the leader of some f*king,stupid,uncool,untalented, boy band get that through your stupid f*cking heads! And younger people don't know what type of music was out in 1963,even though I wasn't born yet,I know that The Beatles early songs like She Loves You and I Want To Hold Your Hand were hard rock compared to the music out then.There was just Bobby Darin,The Four Seasons,Bobby Vinton and The Beach Boys surfing hits.
In this All Music Guide review of The Beatles 1963 second album,With The Beatles Stephen Thomas Erlewine who wrote The All Music Guide's Rolling Stones biography,and reviews a lot of Beatles and solo Beatles albums, says at the end of the very good review that still the heart of With The Beatles lies not in the covers but the originals where it was clear that even at this early stage The Beatles were rapidly maturing and changing turning into expert craftsman and musical innovators.
http://www.allmusic.com/album/with-the-beatles-mw0000192941
No one would ever say this about One Direction or *any* true boy band who are manufactured,don't play any musical instruments,much less be very good musicians like The Beatles were,and don't write music much less be song craftsman and musical innovators.
I’m posting links to my blogs and links to other important great information debunking this stupid,ludicrous,nonsense.
Great Picture Says,THE BEATLES WEREN'T A BOY BAND DUMBASS
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/339529259382156275/?lp=true
THE BEATLES WEREN'T A BOY BAND
This was re posted on other sites but in the comments to this picture on Pinterest a woman so rightly said,The Beatles weren't a boy band,boy bands are terrible,they have little or no talent like One Direction.
Here is also my great blog with a lot of great information debunking this extremely ignorant,ludicrous myth that The Beatles were ever a boy band, I include a lot of Scott's great information from his great Beatles series too.
The Beatles Were NEVER A Boy Band They were Always A Great Rock n Roll,Pop Rock And Rock Band From The Start!
https://thebeatleswereneveraboybandtheywerealwaysagreatrockpoprockrockn.wordpress.com/
https://thebeatleswereneveraboybandtheywerealwaysagreatrocknrollpoprock.wordpress.com/
Very good blog post by Barefoot Justine debunking this too.
OK, let’s stop this Beatles “boyband” comparison sh*t. I know that when a band (person, actor, leader, artist) is the biggest thing ever, people just can’t stand it and they have to go on the attack and disassemble them, but this is utter rubbish
https://barefootjustine.com/2013/10/06/ok-lets-stop-the-beatle-boyband-shit-already/
OK Let’s Stop the Beatle Boyband Shit Already! | Barefoot Justine
OK, let's stop this Beatles "boyband" comparison shit. I know that when a band (person, actor, leader, artist) is the biggest thing ever, people just can't stand it and they have to go on the attack and disassemble them, but this is utter rubbish. I don't know who started it or where this idea that…
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OK, let’s stop this Beatles “boyband” comparison shit. I know that when a band (person, actor, leader, artist) is the biggest thing ever, people just can’t stand it and they have to go on the attack and disassemble them, but this is utter rubbish.
OK Let’s Stop the Beatle Boyband Shit Already! | Barefoot ...
Great youtube video by Mean Mr Mayo,
The Beatles were NOT a ''boy band''
Typical Modern Day Nonsense
The Beatles didn't influence the modern boy bands,how by getting them to form as a genuine rock band,playing their instruments for years and years working their as*es offf to make it big? By writing their own very good to great songs including for other artists including The Rolling Stones as John and Paul were already doing in 1963 as their own song writing success was just getting off the ground?
Out of over 400 great almost all 5 star amazon.com reviews from September 2016 for the remastered The Beatles Live At The Hollywood Bowl album, not one person called them a boy band which is a miracle I knew wouldn't last,some reviewers said they were the greatest band of all time,the greatest rock band ever,or greatest rock and roll band ever,or others just didn't say that and just said they liked the album or out of over 400 mostly great reviews of Ron Howard's film Eight Days A Week. But sure enough in February a guy gave The Live At THe Hollywood Bowl album a 4 star review but ludicrously called The Beatles the number 1 boy band of all time.
So a reviewer who is a big Beatles fan James L.Dickinson said to him Boy Band? I take it that Led Zeppelin,(who I could never stand) The Doors, The Rolling Stones,Pink Floyd,or Black Sabbath AC/DC are all boy bands? They are a Rock n Roll band,you may of heard of the term.The rest of us know what a so-called boy band is,other than that strange comment you nailed the rest.
I can totally understand his shock and how mind boggling it is whenever he sees them called this,but I can't believe he never saw or heard this before because just about anywhere The Beatles are written about and discussed online, idiots are constantly calling The Beatles an overrated,talentless 60's boy band and comparing them to stupid,uncool,untalented genuine boy bands like One Direction,NSYNC,THe Back Street Boys,and New Kids On The Block etc and whatever next boy band comes out.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R5ICT3EE9HQ5R/ref=cm_cr_getr_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B01IO7OHTU
Many years ago some ignorant member of the site Classic Rock called The Beatles a boy band and member Reverend Rock who is a reverend,rock musician and a big Beatles fan so rightfully said,that anyone who knows The Beatles history knows it’s ludicrous to even *suggest* such a thing!
Ringo Starr rightfully said on March 25,2003,on MTV's TRL show The Beatles Were Not A Boy Band Like Today's male Pop Groups NYSNC, and The Backstreet Boys etc Ringo really needs to be debunking this now too because so many people ignorantly compare The Beatles to the genuine boy band One Direction.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/879548/replies?c=5
Boy Band - Music Genres - Rate Your Music
A boy band is a type of male vocal group often put together by talent managers or record producers. The members are generally expected to perform highly choreographed dance sequences during their shows and music videos, and to have an attractive appearance.
A typical boy band features three or four members who sing R&B influenced music but do not play instruments or write their own music.This style began in the 1980's with groups such as New Kids on The Block and New Edition achieving commercial success in the United States and it has gone through periods of popularity in various countries ever since.
https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/Boy+Band/
Boy Band - Music Genres - Rate Your Music
A boy band is a type of male vocal group often put together by talent managers or record producers. The members are generally expected to perform highly choreographed dance sequences during their shows and music videos, and to have an attractive appearance.
Thankfully The Beatles aren't in here and The Beatles genres are described as Pop Rock,Mersey Beat,Psychedelic Pop,Rock & Roll,Rock & Folk Pop
The list of The Beatles genres is even longer in their list of Top 1000 greatest Rock Artists where The Beatles are # 1 And The Beatles are one only a few music artists that wrote and played that many different kinds of music,and the only ones that did it in just an amazing 8 year recording career.
https://rateyourmusic.com/list/noname219/top_1000_rock_artists/10/
This June 2000 NY Daily News Article Is About The Monkees as the first true boy band.
https://www.nydailynews.com/archives/nydn-features/monkee-ing-boy-band-article-1.861998
MONKEE-ING AROUND WITH THE FIRST BOY BAND
George Stanchev remembers vividly his first brushes with the classic TV series "The Monkees" and, frankly, he wasn't much interested. "I watched to the extent that when I heard the song, 'Hey, hey, we're the Monkees' and turned the channel as quick as I could," Stanchev says. Little did he know that many years later he would get his big acting break in a film about the TV-originated band. Stanchev portrays "Monkees' Story " star Davy
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Great January 2002 Toronto Star article that unfortunately isn't online anymore and it quotes from Micky Dolenz of The Monkees,The Monkees:The Original Boy Band?
It compares them to The Back Street Boys, and New Kids On The Block and Micky Dolenz says The origin of the term boy band came from those only male vocal groups who wrote no music & played no instruments and were manufactured, and The Monkees were hired as actors to play a fictional genuine rock and roll band like The Beatles,The Monkees didn't even play any instruments on their first several albums,and even though Mike Nesmith wrote some good songs,all of their big best known hit songs were written by professional song writers.
Thankfully there is no ludicrous mention of The Beatles in this article.
https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/2002/01/03/the_monkees_the_original_boy_band.html
George Martin Says In This book his biography,All You Need is Ears,There's No Doubt Lennon & McCartney Were good Musicians,They Had Good Musical Brains & The Brain Is Where Music Originates,It Has Nothing To Do With Your Fingers,As It Happened They Could All Play Their Own Instruments Very Well,And that Paul is an excellent music all- arounder, probably the best bass guitar-player there is, a brilliant guitarist,a first class drummer and a competent piano player.
George Martin said in The Beatles early days he tried to learn to play the guitar in order to have a better musical communication between him and The Beatles,but he couldn't learn it and gave it up,but he says that John and Paul learned to play the piano far more quickly than he was able to master their instrument.
https://books.google.com/books?id=4Yoio9MewhcC&pg=PA138&lpg=PA138&dq=george+martin+said+there%27s+no+doubt+that+lennon+and+mccartney+were+good+musicians+they+had+good+musical+brains&source=bl&ots=nYLJfbKBYz&sig=ACfU3U0ciQyDY9ddLPBm9p2MHaz0yFZaZw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwitotzd5ffkAhXumOAKHelPBjkQ6AEwAXoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false
All You Need Is Ears
This is a great London Times review of the remastered The Beatles Live at The Hollywood Bowl album says it’s remarkable that The Beatles played as well as they did given that they couldn’t hear a thing beyond the screaming of 17,500 teenage girls.
They should have also mentioned the poor very primitive and limited sound systems of the time and no feedback monitors so they also couldn’t hear themselves singing and playing but the amazingly sang and played great and in sync with each other anyway.
It says that they were a lean and vibrant rock n roll band honed to perfection after toughing it out with five sets a night in rough Hamburg nightclubs.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pop-the-beatles-live-at-the-hollywood-bowl-f9pxrkmzg
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Giles Martin,George Martin's son who recently remastered The Beatles 1964 and 1965 Live At The Hollywood Bowl concerts rightfully says on All Songs Considered when people ask him if The Beatles were a good live band,he says they were a great live band and he mention the very limited,primitive sound systems they had back then,and says how great The Beatles played live in the studio on their first 3 or 4 albums,and that they all played their instruments very good.
He obviously means they played these first several albums live because they didn't even have any overdubbing until 1965 so they had to play and record those albums live.
And their first albums before the great A Hard Day's Night album were recorded on only 2 track tape,they had 4 track by A Hard Day's Night and only 8 track for The White album,Let It Be and Abbey Road.
By the time they recorded and played live their first album Please please Me recorded in only in one day in February 1963,they had 1000's of hours of live playing experience playing 8 hours a night from 1960-1962 in the sleazy strip clubs in Hamburg Germany and had to take speed pills to stay awake to do it,and John Lennon said every song was 20 minutes long,and had 20 minute solos in it.
Then they played successfully live in the Liverpool Cavern Club for years before they made the Please Please Me album.
http://www.npr.org/sections/allsongs/2016/08/25/491201322/all-songs-1-the-beatles-are-live-and-sounding-better-than-ever
All Songs +1: The Beatles Are Live And Sounding Better Than Ever
The Beatles were a great live band, but only three of their shows were ever professionally recorded. Now new technology takes those shows from The Hollywood Bowl and makes them sound better than ever.
In this 2016 BBc interview Larry Kane who interviewed The Beatles from 1964-1966 and says he was at 46 Beatles concerts and there wasn't a bad one among them.
He also said that he thinks Ron Howard's documentary (Eight Days A Week) is a reminder how good The Beatles were as musicians,that modern musicians will look at the puny sound equipment they had and will be amazed and that some concerts had the music going out on the stadiums public address systems.
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-37355216
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Rockumentary - Paul McCartney
This very good 1990 MTV Paul McCartney rocumentary the narrator rightly says McCartney has been many things over the last three decades, a hardcore rock and roller,a pure pop star,a trailblazing bassist,and the cutest guy in the worlds most popular band,but above all else from the beginning he's been a world class song writer.
The Beatles producer George Martin is also interviewed and he said that soon after he started to work with them in the recording studio,which was late 1962,early 1963,he said they emerged as pretty brilliant and started to really think about song writing in a very serious way.
Rockumentary - Paul McCartney
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Several Members So Correctly Debunk This Ludicrous Stupid Nonsense Calling The Early Beatles A Boy Band
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/6-reasons-a-beatles-like-phenomenon-cant-happen-again.403019/page-4#post-11593639
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/6-reasons-a-beatles-like-phenomenon-cant-happen-again.403019/page-23
This is a great 2011 article about Goldmine Magazine's readers poll voted The Beatles The Best Overall, The Song Writing Team Of Lennon and McCartney
And the author of this article Gillian Gaar says what I have always said and pointed out,that as early as December 1963 music critic of The London Times William Mann called John Lennon and Paul McCartney the outstanding English composers of 1963 and he analysed and praised the clever,unusual complex chords they wrote even in their early songs like She Loves you etc.
And In this article it also says the the music critic of The Sunday London Times ( Hunter Davies says in his great 1968 only authorized Beatles biography called,The Beatles which he updated several times that it was classical music critic Richard Buckle) who called John and Paul the 2 greatest composers since Beethoven after they composed music for a ballet,Mods and Rockers.
Gillian Garr also says what I have always said, that John Lennon and Paul McCartney wrote songs at such a prodigious rate in 1963 and 1964 that they supplied numerous other artists with hit songs as well as looking after the interests of their own group. He doesn't mention the music artists they wrote for in 1963,Billy J.Kramer and The Dakotas, Celia Black,Peter and Gordon and the rock n roll song I Wanna Be Your Man for The Rolling Stones which became one of their first hits.
And John and Paul wrote it right in front of them and Mick Jagger and Keith Richards were really impressed that they could just write a song just like that,and it inspired them to start writing their own songs and both bands became good friends from then on and Mick Jagger was at 4 Beatles recording sessions and Keith Richards was at 2 of them with him.Mick Jagger also went on the train with The Beatles to Bangor Wales in August 1967 to meet the Maharishi to meditate for the first time and he was with them there when they got the call that their manager Brian Epstein was dead.
My Beatles Pinterest Board,
https://www.pinterest.com/topazthecat1000/
http://www.goldminemag.com/features/best-overall-the-beatles
A Definitive List of The Musicians Who Influenced Our Lives The Most.The Beatles are number 1 in 2017. And they are the only music artists in the 1,000's.This is from research data The All Music Guide complied.
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