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Every Little Thing

They don't care...

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appletart2:The Coen brothers couldn't write this sh-it. This is some good sh-it!!
It's like the best ever reality TV show.
Just doesn't get better than this. Bonus was the Pie in face. Nice touch UK!!

Seeing Murdoch go down in flames like this...it completes me.

It's amazing isn't it!

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Golden Earth Girl

"counting fish in a sunbeam, in excelsis" [why has he gone into Latin??]

Correct lyric:

"fish in a sunbeam, in eggshell seas"

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audi:

illwobble:When I listen to Taxman, it always slightly bothers me where he sings:

"Don't ask me what I want it for...
If you don't want to pay some more"

Surely it should be:

"Don't ask me what I want it for...
Unless you want to pay some more"
(or indeed Unless you'd like to pay some more")

You're probably right: I might be mistaken, but that may be what they call splitting an infinitive. Good catch!

Thanks audi, but no, the problem here is nothing to do with splitting infinitives, it's about negation and double negatives, which in English is pretty subtle. I mean, "If you don't want to pay any more" is an improvement grammatically but still wrong (and that's only partly because "any more" then means something else).

I wonder whether George Martin or anyone else did give advice on grammatical errors or issues in the Beatles' lyrics. I guess this example reflects the fact that George (Harrison) wasn't as well educated as John or Paul.

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audi:

illwobble:
audi:
illwobble:When I listen to Taxman, it always slightly bothers me where he sings:

"Don't ask me what I want it for...
If you don't want to pay some more"

Surely it should be:

"Don't ask me what I want it for...
Unless you want to pay some more"
(or indeed Unless you'd like to pay some more")

You're probably right: I might be mistaken, but that may be what they call splitting an infinitive. Good catch!

Thanks audi, but no, the problem here is nothing to do with splitting infinitives, it's about negation and double negatives, which in English is pretty subtle. I mean, "If you don't want to pay any more" is an improvement grammatically but still wrong (and that's only partly because "any more" then means something else).

I wonder whether George Martin or anyone else did give advice on grammatical errors or issues in the Beatles' lyrics. I guess this example reflects the fact that George (Harrison) wasn't as well educated as John or Paul.

Did a little digging (although Wiki can be incorrect sometimes):

"In grammar, negation is the process that turns an affirmative statement (I am American) into its opposite denial (I am not American). The linguist D. Biber refers to two types of negation, synthetic ('no', 'neither' or 'nor' negation) and analytic ('not' negation)."

If that theory is correct, then your observation does not apply, since the sentence "Don't ask me what I want..." is not affirmative.

Geez...I'm probably off-base here. My head hurts.

You really want to pursue this one, audi?? The main problem here definitely falls into the "analytic negation" category: Do NOT ask me what I want it for, IF you do NOT want to pay some more. This is REALLY complex and subtle, but the core problem stems from those two NOTs struggling against each other, with that conditional clause IF making things even more dreadful. As a result the SOME is incorrect (should be ANY) unless the IF and [do] NOT are both replaced by negative counterpart UNLESS, which then tidies up the problem nicely. I'm glad you made me analyze this one: I thought at first it was a mainly stylistic problem rather than a grammatical one, but that just shows how deeply naive I was.

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Having made a joke elsewhere on this forum that Paul should write a song called "Penguin" (following the success of Blackbird, Jenny Wren, Single Pigeon and Two Magpies), I'm now working on my own song composition (my first in about 10 years!), entitled "penguin"!

Hope I'll be able to record it some time, with a friend playing acoustic guitar and me singing and whistling.

Last thing I wrote was when I was a student and I was in a comedy blues duo called Vivid Rainbow. Here's us doing an upbeat version of Iron Maiden's "Bring Your Daughter To The Slaughter"!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhKgo17KX-Y

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Instead of trying to suggest to Paul that he write his Penguin song, I've written it myself, in a McCartney-style. Like to think it's not bad either. First proper song I've written in over 10 years! Hopefully I'll be able to upload a demo before too long.

Thread: Penguin News
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21st Century Paul:well, since you are up to grammar, my english is not good enough to understand these lines, can anybody explain?

Always, no sometimes, think it's me, but you know I know when it's a dream.
I think I know I mean a 'Yes' but it's all wrong, that is I think I disagree

Stream-of-consciousness rantings of a man in a feverish bad dream. This is broken English, and makes no real sense as a full sentence like this, but to present it more accurately in a written form you'd have to punctuate it like this:

Always...
No...
Sometimes think it's me, but you know...
I know when it's a dream.
I think...
I know...
I mean... uh, yes.
But it's all wrong.
That is: I think I disagree.

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kapoo:I bow to you both, seriously. I need to actually stop and think about what was just written its intense. thats some good grammer!

Thanks KPU!
But don't let me or anyone else bluff you with jargon: what I said was partly BS! Audi was right that the lyric in question is not in the affirmative mood, but I see no reason the rule shouldn't apply to the prohibitive mood as well.
P.S. Grammar is spelt with an a!

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Official lyrics as listed in sleeve notes and songbooks are very often badly or wrongly punctuated. It annoys me a little, but I guess the people who edit these things have little interest in punctuation. I remember noticing this on the sleeve notes of BOTR, but I've lent the CD to a friend so I can't give examples right now. I doubt you can take any songbook or anything as authoritative when it comes to punctuations in song lyrics. Plus, a lot of the lyrics on BOTR are pretty much meaningless anyway, no matter how you punctuate them!

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