B J Conlee wrote:Arturoman wrote:
Is anyone else listening to this podcast? It's great!
They are reviewing every single Paul McCartney release from 1970 to present day. Every song on every album. Singles, B-sides, bootlegs, etc. You will most likely hear songs you've never heard before, and hear old favourites from new perspectives, all lovingly placed in the context of McCartney’s career and the musical sounds of their era.
And there is an amazing interview with Denny Laine.
Sounds good BJ, I will check it out. I was gone for awhile, there were issues with my old account and I basically had to get a new one. You might notice my screen name is slightly different.
Love it !!!
Nancy R wrote:Yankeefan2 wrote:
I like it! Welcome back Yankeefan! Sorry you had problems getting on here with your old account.
Thanks. Trying to catch up on some threads now - lol.
B J Conlee wrote:
Just some final thoughts on Back to the Egg...no doubt the album was very disjointed and certainly not a top tier album for Paul.But like the guys on these great podcasts, you always see genius in Paul's mid and even lower tier efforts. Conversely you get a writer/critic from Rolling Stone Magazine who called it "the sorriest grab bag of dreck in recent memory". Obviously this writer has an extreme bias with anything to deal with Macca.
I really liked a good number of the songs on the proper album. My favorites included Getting Closer, Spin It On, Old Siam Sir, Arrow Through Me, After the Ball/Million Miles, and Winter Rose/Love Awake I also liked Denny Laine's song...Again, Again, and Again as well as Baby's Request. As usual with Paul, the nucleus for a great album was there. But there were other tracks that didn't make sense to me especially when he leaves Goodnight Tonight and Daytime Nightime Suffering totally off the album. In my opinion, a track like Reception was unnecessary when he already had We're Open Tonight as a melodic and clever opener. I just never cared for Rochestra Theme which to me was just a jam session with many famous rock artists. I agree with the Ryan and Chris that this song should have been put out as a single only with something like To You as a B-side.
Back to the Egg, in my opinion, was another case where Paul needed someone very strong (e.g. George Martin) to rein him in and give him honest opinion. Again the material was there but you have to wonder if Paul's heart was really in it. He never went out on a full, world wide tour with the new Wings' lineup. Between London Town, Back to the Egg, the added singles from this era....he really had plenty of new material to follow up his 1976 Wings Over America. No doubt as the decade ended and with the drug bust in Japan, its not surprising in hindsight that Paul went to George Martin (with Tug of War) and the beginning of his Solo career. The idea of continuing Wings (with the constant lineup changes) had run its course.
Another thing that these great Podcasts have shown me (and I still have many to hear) is that Paul really needs a "true" compilation of his Post Beatles' Career for the "real" fans. Not a "new" Greatest Hits compilation like Pure McCartney but a compilation by each decade that contains unreleased material, B-sides, rare tracks and hidden gems. Paul has so much material as these Podcasts show. An example from Back to the Egg is the song "Love Awake". Paul had actually written Love Awake a few years earlier and Chris and Ryan played the original demo. It was stunning and I as a huge Macca fan had never heard it. That is the kind of stuff needed for a true deep compilation and doing it by "Decade" makes so much sense. Each disc would have great material that fans like us would absolutely love.
Good post BJ. Like you and I have said before, McCartney needs a strong producer (like Nigel Godrich) to tell him when some song is really awful and needs work or should not be on the album. McCartney albums usually have some wonderful moments and the only thing that keeps them from really being top notch is the 2-3 clunkers. FITD is the classic example of album that with some cutting and adding B side (Summer of 59) would have made it a great album. CHAOS is such a great album because every song is really good and there is no filler. As for "Back To The Egg", I agree pretty much with your likes and dislikes on the album".
B J Conlee wrote:
As you know, I am a real Macca "Music" Nerd/Geek and especially like discussions about his criminally underrated Solo Catalog. I love these Podcasts. I like the 2 commentators a lot. I like the fact that they are not total Paul "fanboys" and I find most of their opinions to be very "fair and balanced". Because they are younger than me they got into Paul "first" before the Beatles and I think that makes a big difference because they don't dismiss "Solo" Paul like some older critics do. While they don't love everything Solo/Post Beatle Macca does , they recognize how much of a genius Paul is as a songwriter, performer and vocalist.
Right now I'm pressed for time but I will be replying in the future. So far, I have heard 3 individual Podcasts...Tug of War, Londontown and Press to Play and I find them all fascinating. Love that they are reviewing the proper albums track by track but additionally the B-sides, outtakes, unreleased material from the same time frame. Like me, they scratch their heads with some of Paul's choices over the years.
Very cool that these two commentators are not fan boys and value his solo career. I think this puts a totally different light on how people look at Mccartney's music when they are not in awe of "Beatle Paul". Perfect example is the difference in how RAM is perceived now by critics than it was when it was released.
B J Conlee wrote:
The first individual Podcast I decided to hear was Tug of War. As I said, I really like the commentators...Ryan and Chris. They work really well together and they don't step over each other as their discussions go along. I love that they are honest and most of all they don't dismiss Paul's Post Beatles' work like some music critics (obsessed with the Beatles and especially John Lennon) do. They are younger than a real "boomer" like me (69 years old) and actually got into Paul's Solo first and then that led them into the Beatles. They are open minded and very fair in my opinion.
I wanted to hear their opinions on Tug of War which I consider one of Paul's best Post Beatle albums. I always have it in my top 5. But interesting, I always thought that one song in particular marred Tug of War (and as a hint, it wasn't Ebony and Ivory). As Ryan and Chris started the track by track portion, lo and behold, they actually felt the same way as me. I always thought that the first 3 tracks was the finest opening to any Paul album including some of his best. Like me, they loved Tug of War (the song and opening track), Take It Away and Somebody Who Cares. One of the guys said that Somebody Who Cares was one of his favorite tracks on the whole album and I agree 100%. Just love the lyrics, melody and especially Paul's vocal. It is one of Paul's absolute great Solo songs that gets totally overlooked today like Footprints (from Press to Play) and Too Much Rain (from Chaos and Creation).
It is the 4th song on Tug that really, in my opinion, keeps Tug of War from being a masterpiece as Rollingstone called it at the time. Surprising to me, both Ryan and Chris felt the same way. As one of them said, it is a Stevie Wonder song on a Macca album. Even more for me is that the song just doesn't fit on the album...musically and lyrically on top of the fact that it is entirely too long. While I don't dislike Paul's vocal on the track as much as they do, it starts for me with the song itself. Like one of them said, it would have been perfect as a b-side to the Ebony and Ivory single but not on the album. To me it totally stops the fabulous momentum of the beginning of the album that were "classic McCartneyesque type" songs. The real frustrating thing of Paul's Post Beatles' Albums and Career, it that there are several Macca albums (like Tug of War) that really could have been masterpieces with better song "selection". As always, Paul always has an abundance of choices and just too often in many cases makes the wrong choice in my opinion. In Tug of War, songs like Rainclouds (relegated to a B-Side) or Seems Like Old Times (unreleased) would have been so much better choice than What's That Your Doing. They would have fit the album much better. I love a lot of Stevie Wonder songs but not on a great album like Tug of War that has a totaly different theme and concept. Having never met Ryan or Chris, I found it very interesting that they felt exactly the same way.
After hearing this first Podcast, it has just wet my appetite even more to get into this series. I love that fact that they discuss the great and underappreciated B-sides and even unreleased songs that were passed over. I'm sure they will bring up other examples on future podcasts.
Very interesting post. Looking back, it might have been smart musically to leave both the Stevie Wonder songs off TOW and just have realeased them as single as you stated. That being said, would not including these songs on the album have hurt the sales of the TOW album? I truly doubt without the "Ebony and IVory" single on TOW that it would have reached #1 and sold millions.
B J Conlee wrote:
Just a few more notes about the Pipes of Peace Podcast. As usual, I was rushing out the door yesterday and didn't have time to edit my previous post so please forgive some of my typos and poor sentence structure.
I agree with Chris and Ryan's summary on the 1st half (Side 1) of Pipes of Peace. For me it was pretty solid. After the nice opening title track (great George Martin production), the rest of Side 1 in my opinion was good. On top of the 2 guilty pleasure Pop styled songs (Say Say Say and So Bad), I think "The Other Me" and "Keep Under Cover" are both hidden gems and really underrated in retrospect.
But for an album to be considered very good or great (top tier or strong mid tier McCartney) the 2nd half (or Side B for the traditional album listeners) has to be just as strong. As I said previously, this is where Pipes of Peace fails in my opinion. After a few plays I really got tired of "The Man" (the other Paul and Michael Duet) and later on Side 2, I thought Average Person, Hey Hey and Tug of Peace (both individually and as a collection) were really inferiior Paul. On Tug of Peace, it sounded like Paul was trying too hard to connect this album with Tug of War but it sounded so forced. I think one of the reasons that the final track, Through Our Love, is such a "lost classic" is that it is difficult (especially for traditional album listeners) to weed through such inferior "Paul" tracks to even get to Through Our Love. I personally feel that this track is one of the best songs on the album and definitely a hidden gem. I like "Through Our Love" from beginning to end with Paul's georgeous vocal and George Martin great production. One of Paul's best Solo ballads in my opinion.
Similar to Red Rose Speedway, Pipes of Peace doesn't come close to a top tier McCartney album because of the bad 2nd half. Contrast that with top tier Mccartney albums (e.g. Band on the Run, Venus and Mars, Chaos and Creation etc.) where the 2nd half is just as good as the 1st half. If Paul does ever come out with an Anthology Type "By Decade"Compilation filled with unreleased material, B-sides, lost and hidden album tracks, rare recordings etc., the Pipes of Peace era would certainly have its share of potential 80's tracks. Songs that are definitely "lost gems" in my opinion are Through Our Love, The Other Me and Sweetest Little Show. Some of the outtakes that would be great on a compilation for the "true" fans from the era would be Ode to a Koala Bear, Simple As That (the original song), It's Not On, Unbelievable Experience, Same Time Next Year and a few others. Really hope that McCartney's team will someday dig into his vast vaults and get us some tasty rare recordings. As a great example on the Back to the Egg Podcast, Chris and Ryan dug out a version of "Love Awake" written a few years before the finished album version and it was fantastic.
Can't wait to hear the upcoming Flowers in the Dirt Podcast!!!
This is one of the few McCartney albums I did not buy. I was so disappointed hearing it at a friends house when it came out especially after the wonderful "Tug Of War". In my mind, this is at the the bottom of McCartney albums with "Wild Life" and "McCartney II".
An extensive never published 1994 interview with Paul by Tony Bacon.
Loved that interview, thanks for sharing.
Bob Gannon wrote:I would assume more touring as it looks like we will see the new studio album in 2018 as well. I'm sure if he tours, there will be Beatles songs in the set.....sadly!! I'd like to see one tour all solo and wings material. Stop being apologetic for a great solo catalog!! He seems to be the only one not convinced that his solo catalog is great!
If he tours and I truly think he will, there will be minor changes at best. I am so over him touring and really can't wait for the new album.