The ..2012.... Political thread
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The ..2010.... Political thread love is a politic...law is a politic...and self concerned survivalism is a politic things in life exist in shades and blends and chords of politic ...thank god to people like those silly beatles
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keithmestl:
Bruce M.:
The Washington Post, "not known for any pro-Republican bias"? In what parallel universe??? Their editorial page has been screechingly right-wing for years...
You must be thinking of the Washington Times, not the Washington Post. By the way, Rich N, that was a great story you told! Maybe the fact that your friends aren't speaking to you indicates they know you are right but they're too small to admit it - yet.
What do you say, Bruce M.? Were you mistaken?
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As always, the Republicans who claim the defense of the constitution as their own personal responsibility are the ones who seek to shred it. One more point for the deranged right wingers in the US and on this board! http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/19/odonnell-first-amendment/
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peacetrain:
As always, the Republicans who claim the defense of the constitution as their own personal responsibility are the ones who seek to shred it. One more point for the deranged right wingers in the US and on this board!
Your "point" is a canard in the first place, but after what's happened in the last 21 months, now you're going to pretend to give one whit about the Constitution? How sanctimonious.
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How many years were republicans and conservatives in office just before and during the great depression?..........and, how many years were republicans and conservatives in office just before our current temporary economic slump?
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keithmestl:
peacetrain:
As always, the Republicans who claim the defense of the constitution as their own personal responsibility are the ones who seek to shred it. One more point for the deranged right wingers in the US and on this board!
Your "point" is a canard in the first place, but after what's happened in the last 21 months, now you're going to pretend to give one whit about the Constitution? How sanctimonious.
I can't believe that you find this person's point to be the more-alarming factor. A candidate for political office isn't even aware of one of the key elements of the Constitution. Nothing?
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My analysis of most so-called "conservatives" is based on their unwavering inability to be critical thinkers.
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Here are a few smart ones for you:
?But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy." Nancy Pelosi Here she is on unemployment: *(all these politicians have to do is speak and you will likely get some quotes etc....) -
The_Fool:
...?But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy." Nancy Pelosi Here she is on unemployment:
*(all these politicians have to do is speak and you will likely get some quotes etc....)Not too swift on her feet, ain't she? (Ducking head in embarrassment.) This is one of the worst political spin-jobs I have ever seen. If she were talking about a small-business bill or something, she'd have some merit. But, nope! Score 1 for the Conservatives!
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The_Fool:
Here are a few smart ones for you:
...)To Mr. Conyers: Oh, John.... ...Rallying for the passage of a bill is not the time tio disclose that you are unaware of its contents.
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NY Times Bestseller List Hardcover, non-fiction Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1. OBAMA'S WARS, by Bob Woodward 2. EARTH (THE BOOK), by Jon Stewart and others 3. TRICKLE UP POVERTY, by Michael Savage 4. THE ROOTS OF OBAMA'S RAGE, by Dinesh D'Souza
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I voted now I can go back to just drinking iced tea as a beverage and have a sandwich or something with it instead of gaging on political overdoses love doris
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'But For Me, We?d Be in World-Wide Depression?
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Last March, in a column titled "The Obama Everywhere Gamble," I wrote: "The American people are remarkably savvy media consumers. Over time . . . a critical mass of people may start to suspect that the President and his men are wooing us relentlessly through a permanent campaign through the culture in order to win us over on policy. And nobody likes to be manipulated, not even by a great communicator." http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2010/10/27/2010-10-27_obamas_dumb_daily_show_appearance_and_the_presidents_diminishing_brand.html?page=1
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George Bush's memoirs are being released on November 9. Maybe someone should send a copy to Paul McCartney.
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QUESTIONS For Republicans.... Questions: 1. What was the average monthly private sector job growth in 2008, the final year of the Bush presidency, and what has it been so far in 2010? 2. What was the Federal deficit for the last fiscal year of the Bush presidency, and what was it for the first full fiscal year of the Obama presidency? 3. What was the stock market at on the last day of the Bush presidency? What is it at today? 4. Which party's candidate for speaker will campaign this weekend with a Nazi reenactor who dressed up in a SS uniform? Answers: 1. In 2008, we lost an average of 317,250 private sector jobs per month. In 2010, we have gained an average of 95,888 private sector jobs per month. (Source) That's a difference of nearly five million jobs between Bush's last year in office and President Obama's second year. 2. In FY2009, which began on September 1, 2008 and represents the Bush Administration's final budget, the budget deficit was $1.416 trillion. In FY2010, the first budget of the Obama Administration, the budget deficit was $1.291 trillion, a decline of $125 billion. (Source) Yes, that means President Obama has cut the deficit -- there's a long way to go, but we're in better shape now than we were under Bush and the GOP. 3. On Bush's final day in office, the Dow, NASDAQ, and S&P 500 closed at 7,949, 1,440, and 805, respectively. Today, as of 10:15AM Pacific, they are at 11,108, 2,512, and 1,183. That means since President Obama took office, the Dow, NASDAQ, and S&P 500 have increased 40%, 74%, and 47%, respectively. 4. The Republican Party, whose candidate for speaker, John Boehner, will campaign with Nazi re-enactor Rich Iott this weekend. If you need an explanation why this is offensive, you are a lost cause. The moral of the story is this: if you vote Republican, I hope you enjoy Election Day -- because you're not going to like what comes next.
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mustangsally10:
QUESTIONS For Republicans.... Questions: 1. What was the average monthly private sector job growth in 2008, the final year of the Bush presidency, and what has it been so far in 2010? 2. What was the Federal deficit for the last fiscal year of the Bush presidency, and what was it for the first full fiscal year of the Obama presidency? 3. What was the stock market at on the last day of the Bush presidency? What is it at today? 4. Which party's candidate for speaker will campaign this weekend with a Nazi reenactor who dressed up in a SS uniform? Answers: 1. In 2008, we lost an average of 317,250 private sector jobs per month. In 2010, we have gained an average of 95,888 private sector jobs per month. (Source) That's a difference of nearly five million jobs between Bush's last year in office and President Obama's second year. 2. In FY2009, which began on September 1, 2008 and represents the Bush Administration's final budget, the budget deficit was $1.416 trillion. In FY2010, the first budget of the Obama Administration, the budget deficit was $1.291 trillion, a decline of $125 billion. (Source) Yes, that means President Obama has cut the deficit -- there's a long way to go, but we're in better shape now than we were under Bush and the GOP. 3. On Bush's final day in office, the Dow, NASDAQ, and S&P 500 closed at 7,949, 1,440, and 805, respectively. Today, as of 10:15AM Pacific, they are at 11,108, 2,512, and 1,183. That means since President Obama took office, the Dow, NASDAQ, and S&P 500 have increased 40%, 74%, and 47%, respectively. 4. The Republican Party, whose candidate for speaker, John Boehner, will campaign with Nazi re-enactor Rich Iott this weekend. If you need an explanation why this is offensive, you are a lost cause. The moral of the story is this: if you vote Republican, I hope you enjoy Election Day -- because you're not going to like what comes next.
- Here's a graph of the complete employment statistics for the Bush administration and the Obama administration so far, rather than just quoting a single year's (or partial year's) statistics for each. You can decide whether this proves anything about how a Republican congress is likely to effect economic growth. http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=CES0000000001&output_view=net_1mth 2. I'm not an expert on the federal government, but i think that FY 2009 included spending decisions that both the Bush and the Obama adminstrations made -- many of them in response to the recession. And it was probably an unrealistically/unsustainably high level for that reason. As with most political issues, it's subject to debate but i think you can make a case that deficit spending in a weak economy is acceptable. 3. The buyers and sellers of stocks that make the decisions that result in the levels of market indexes take many, many factors into account in their buying and selling decisions. (Sometimes they act irrationally, in hindsight, as we've all seen in the past.) I can't recall seeing any commentary that indicates that the rallies in the markets over the past two years have been because of investor sentiment that President Obama is doing a great job with the economy. 4.I don't understand the whole hisotical military re-enactment thing, but some people do it as a hobby. Go dig up the details on this one yourself. i won't bother because you are trying to make something out of nothing.
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EADG:
mustangsally10:
QUESTIONS For Republicans.... Questions: 1. What was the average monthly private sector job growth in 2008, the final year of the Bush presidency, and what has it been so far in 2010? 2. What was the Federal deficit for the last fiscal year of the Bush presidency, and what was it for the first full fiscal year of the Obama presidency? 3. What was the stock market at on the last day of the Bush presidency? What is it at today? 4. Which party's candidate for speaker will campaign this weekend with a Nazi reenactor who dressed up in a SS uniform? Answers: 1. In 2008, we lost an average of 317,250 private sector jobs per month. In 2010, we have gained an average of 95,888 private sector jobs per month. (Source) That's a difference of nearly five million jobs between Bush's last year in office and President Obama's second year. 2. In FY2009, which began on September 1, 2008 and represents the Bush Administration's final budget, the budget deficit was $1.416 trillion. In FY2010, the first budget of the Obama Administration, the budget deficit was $1.291 trillion, a decline of $125 billion. (Source) Yes, that means President Obama has cut the deficit -- there's a long way to go, but we're in better shape now than we were under Bush and the GOP. 3. On Bush's final day in office, the Dow, NASDAQ, and S&P 500 closed at 7,949, 1,440, and 805, respectively. Today, as of 10:15AM Pacific, they are at 11,108, 2,512, and 1,183. That means since President Obama took office, the Dow, NASDAQ, and S&P 500 have increased 40%, 74%, and 47%, respectively. 4. The Republican Party, whose candidate for speaker, John Boehner, will campaign with Nazi re-enactor Rich Iott this weekend. If you need an explanation why this is offensive, you are a lost cause. The moral of the story is this: if you vote Republican, I hope you enjoy Election Day -- because you're not going to like what comes next.
- Here's a graph of the complete employment statistics for the Bush administration and the Obama administration so far, rather than just quoting a single year's (or partial year's) statistics for each. You can decide whether this proves anything about how a Republican congress is likely to effect economic growth. http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=CES0000000001&output_view=net_1mth 2. I'm not an expert on the federal government, but i think that FY 2009 included spending decisions that both the Bush and the Obama adminstrations made -- many of them in response to the recession. And it was probably an unrealistically/unsustainably high level for that reason. As with most political issues, it's subject to debate but i think you can make a case that deficit spending in a weak economy is acceptable. 3. The buyers and sellers of stocks that make the decisions that result in the levels of market indexes take many, many factors into account in their buying and selling decisions. (Sometimes they act irrationally, in hindsight, as we've all seen in the past.) I can't recall seeing any commentary that indicates that the rallies in the markets over the past two years have been because of investor sentiment that President Obama is doing a great job with the economy. 4.I don't understand the whole hisotical military re-enactment thing, but some people do it as a hobby. Go dig up the details on this one yourself. i won't bother because you are trying to make something out of nothing.
: getting dizzy with the spin here you're making my point for me 1)I'll show the source for my info above: http://www.bls.gov/data/#employment or explained so that MAYBE most can understand . Job losses under bush were so extreme that they continued into the beginning of Obama's administration but did have immediate improvement http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/10/19/white-house-white-board-cea-chair-austan-goolsbee-explains-jobs-trends 2) of course...deficit spending in this circumstance is necessary...stimulus anyone 3) yep, looks like somebody up there in the investment community likes Obamas/Dem policies.... 4) surprise one of those goners...whatever I've got better things to do today
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mustangsally10:
EADG:
mustangsally10:
QUESTIONS For Republicans.... Questions: 1. What was the average monthly private sector job growth in 2008, the final year of the Bush presidency, and what has it been so far in 2010? 2. What was the Federal deficit for the last fiscal year of the Bush presidency, and what was it for the first full fiscal year of the Obama presidency? 3. What was the stock market at on the last day of the Bush presidency? What is it at today? 4. Which party's candidate for speaker will campaign this weekend with a Nazi reenactor who dressed up in a SS uniform? Answers: 1. In 2008, we lost an average of 317,250 private sector jobs per month. In 2010, we have gained an average of 95,888 private sector jobs per month. (Source) That's a difference of nearly five million jobs between Bush's last year in office and President Obama's second year. 2. In FY2009, which began on September 1, 2008 and represents the Bush Administration's final budget, the budget deficit was $1.416 trillion. In FY2010, the first budget of the Obama Administration, the budget deficit was $1.291 trillion, a decline of $125 billion. (Source) Yes, that means President Obama has cut the deficit -- there's a long way to go, but we're in better shape now than we were under Bush and the GOP. 3. On Bush's final day in office, the Dow, NASDAQ, and S&P 500 closed at 7,949, 1,440, and 805, respectively. Today, as of 10:15AM Pacific, they are at 11,108, 2,512, and 1,183. That means since President Obama took office, the Dow, NASDAQ, and S&P 500 have increased 40%, 74%, and 47%, respectively. 4. The Republican Party, whose candidate for speaker, John Boehner, will campaign with Nazi re-enactor Rich Iott this weekend. If you need an explanation why this is offensive, you are a lost cause. The moral of the story is this: if you vote Republican, I hope you enjoy Election Day -- because you're not going to like what comes next.
- Here's a graph of the complete employment statistics for the Bush administration and the Obama administration so far, rather than just quoting a single year's (or partial year's) statistics for each. You can decide whether this proves anything about how a Republican congress is likely to effect economic growth. http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=CES0000000001&output_view=net_1mth 2. I'm not an expert on the federal government, but i think that FY 2009 included spending decisions that both the Bush and the Obama adminstrations made -- many of them in response to the recession. And it was probably an unrealistically/unsustainably high level for that reason. As with most political issues, it's subject to debate but i think you can make a case that deficit spending in a weak economy is acceptable. 3. The buyers and sellers of stocks that make the decisions that result in the levels of market indexes take many, many factors into account in their buying and selling decisions. (Sometimes they act irrationally, in hindsight, as we've all seen in the past.) I can't recall seeing any commentary that indicates that the rallies in the markets over the past two years have been because of investor sentiment that President Obama is doing a great job with the economy. 4.I don't understand the whole hisotical military re-enactment thing, but some people do it as a hobby. Go dig up the details on this one yourself. i won't bother because you are trying to make something out of nothing.
: getting dizzy with the spin here you're making my point for me 1)I'll show the source for my info above: http://www.bls.gov/data/#employment or explained so that MAYBE most can understand . Job losses under bush were so extreme that they continued into the beginning of Obama's administration but did have immediate improvement http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/10/19/white-house-white-board-cea-chair-austan-goolsbee-explains-jobs-trends 2) of course...deficit spending in this circumstance is necessary...stimulus anyone 3) yep, looks like somebody up there in the investment community likes Obamas/Dem policies.... 4) surprise one of those goners...whatever I've got better things to do today
Honestly, i don't understand how you think that any or your responses to my points are in any way responsive. Go do whatever those better things are and have a good day.
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EADG:
mustangsally10:
EADG:
mustangsally10:
QUESTIONS For Republicans.... Questions: 1. What was the average monthly private sector job growth in 2008, the final year of the Bush presidency, and what has it been so far in 2010? 2. What was the Federal deficit for the last fiscal year of the Bush presidency, and what was it for the first full fiscal year of the Obama presidency? 3. What was the stock market at on the last day of the Bush presidency? What is it at today? 4. Which party's candidate for speaker will campaign this weekend with a Nazi reenactor who dressed up in a SS uniform? Answers: 1. In 2008, we lost an average of 317,250 private sector jobs per month. In 2010, we have gained an average of 95,888 private sector jobs per month. (Source) That's a difference of nearly five million jobs between Bush's last year in office and President Obama's second year. 2. In FY2009, which began on September 1, 2008 and represents the Bush Administration's final budget, the budget deficit was $1.416 trillion. In FY2010, the first budget of the Obama Administration, the budget deficit was $1.291 trillion, a decline of $125 billion. (Source) Yes, that means President Obama has cut the deficit -- there's a long way to go, but we're in better shape now than we were under Bush and the GOP. 3. On Bush's final day in office, the Dow, NASDAQ, and S&P 500 closed at 7,949, 1,440, and 805, respectively. Today, as of 10:15AM Pacific, they are at 11,108, 2,512, and 1,183. That means since President Obama took office, the Dow, NASDAQ, and S&P 500 have increased 40%, 74%, and 47%, respectively. 4. The Republican Party, whose candidate for speaker, John Boehner, will campaign with Nazi re-enactor Rich Iott this weekend. If you need an explanation why this is offensive, you are a lost cause. The moral of the story is this: if you vote Republican, I hope you enjoy Election Day -- because you're not going to like what comes next.
- Here's a graph of the complete employment statistics for the Bush administration and the Obama administration so far, rather than just quoting a single year's (or partial year's) statistics for each. You can decide whether this proves anything about how a Republican congress is likely to effect economic growth. http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=CES0000000001&output_view=net_1mth 2. I'm not an expert on the federal government, but i think that FY 2009 included spending decisions that both the Bush and the Obama adminstrations made -- many of them in response to the recession. And it was probably an unrealistically/unsustainably high level for that reason. As with most political issues, it's subject to debate but i think you can make a case that deficit spending in a weak economy is acceptable. 3. The buyers and sellers of stocks that make the decisions that result in the levels of market indexes take many, many factors into account in their buying and selling decisions. (Sometimes they act irrationally, in hindsight, as we've all seen in the past.) I can't recall seeing any commentary that indicates that the rallies in the markets over the past two years have been because of investor sentiment that President Obama is doing a great job with the economy. 4.I don't understand the whole hisotical military re-enactment thing, but some people do it as a hobby. Go dig up the details on this one yourself. i won't bother because you are trying to make something out of nothing.
: getting dizzy with the spin here you're making my point for me 1)I'll show the source for my info above: http://www.bls.gov/data/#employment or explained so that MAYBE most can understand . Job losses under bush were so extreme that they continued into the beginning of Obama's administration but did have immediate improvement http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/10/19/white-house-white-board-cea-chair-austan-goolsbee-explains-jobs-trends 2) of course...deficit spending in this circumstance is necessary...stimulus anyone 3) yep, looks like somebody up there in the investment community likes Obamas/Dem policies.... 4) surprise one of those goners...whatever I've got better things to do today
Honestly, i don't understand how you think that any or your responses to my points are in any way responsive. Go do whatever those better things are and have a good day.
I know you don't understand sorry about your mental block for facts don't want to give you a headache but here's more 2000-2009 Lost Decade for American Workers, Economy http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/01/AR2010010101196.html?hpid=topnews from the article: The past decade was the worst for the U.S. economy in modern times, a sharp reversal from a long period of prosperity that is leading economists and policymakers to fundamentally rethink the underpinnings of the nation's growth. and yet more: There has been zero net job creation since December 1999. No previous decade going back to the 1940s had job growth of less than 20 percent. Economic output rose at its slowest rate of any decade since the 1930s as well. have a nice day