We are ALL stuck in our ways
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yes brilliant posts again david..thank god for the likes of you and your knowledge of the situation on this forum these days....certainly makes the forum worth visiting knowing that there are a selct few likeminded fans who see the whole picture....well done
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Ta very much LD... You too......we are a small but loyal band of reprobates who see the bigger picture.....and it's picture I don't want to end as a disaster movie, but a one with a happy ending instead. I'd like to see a Paul McCartney bank holiday declared over here in recognition of his works when the sad day arrives. Nice on here now that those scally's Joshy and Slackmac have been sent to Coventry.... Tis getting bit too sedate on here though......you can trim the fat too much. This is the best forum on the net and yet it seems to be dissipating dramatically this year.....or perhaps my paranoia is getting the better of me again....
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david mitchelson:
Ta very much LD... You too......we are a small but loyal band of reprobates who see the bigger picture.....and it's picture I don't want to end as a disaster movie, but a one with a happy ending instead. I'd like to see a Paul McCartney bank holiday declared over here in recognition of his works when the sad day arrives. Nice on here now that those scally's Joshy and Slackmac have been sent to Coventry.... Tis getting bit too sedate on here though......you can trim the fat too much. This is the best forum on the net and yet it seems to be dissipating dramatically this year.....or perhaps my paranoia is getting the better of me again....
im not saying im being watched but im sure the 'mods' have a car parked outside my house watching me. never mind once the cleansing has been completed im sure we could all hook up somewhere else where we can air our views without fear or favour!........hang on as long as you can though because this is the official site and at its best it is untouchable.
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It is superb on it's day, other sites bore me rigid. The MODERATORS have employed many tactics used by a certain American organisation. I too have noticed big four wheel drives with blacked out windows parked outside my house.....they followed me over to Yorkshire from Ireland. There are strange clicks when I'm talking on the landline and I'm sure someone has planted spyware on my mobile..... ....Funnily enough I had this same conversation a long time ago with Moggy and he was banned shortly after.... ....never to return apparently. Sinister dark op's forces are at work! As for this site being untouchable.....the way things are going it could easily end up a cobweb-covered, broken down old shack of a site bothered only by tumbleweed at this rate.
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You two guys are part of the reason I enjoy this forum so much!
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david mitchelson:
I wrote a big long post last night but decided not to put it up......the gist of it was that we have come to that time where we find that it's not only we mere wretched mortals who grow older but our Gods too. We have the great memories of Macca and will hopefully, God willing, have many more because his songwriting ability has not deserted him, but to see that gargantuan talent live in the 1970's in all his pomp, to hear that outstanding vocal performance time after time at the peak of it's powers straddling the music scene like some gigantic behemoth backed by Linda and Wings and then to compare it to the last few weeks..... .......well, it's soul destroying! The bad performances in the past were down to strains and colds etc....these current vocals are down to age, lack of warm up and not re-arranging the his classic songs to suit his older voice. I'm no expert but it's easy to see the problems and the solutions. Hopefully Paul or someone trusted close to him can direct him towards protecting his legacy and lengthening his live career by changing things, there will be no loss of face in doing that. Like many I don't wish to watch Paul gradually become a figure of ridicule.....a lot of artists/sportsmen have gone on too long because they refuse to face up to the inevitability of life, have refused to implement changes. We may want to see him, we may feel he can still sing live, but he needs to come up with a different set list to allow those determined detractors no my ammunition to destroy the guy with.
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Nancy R:
You two guys are part of the reason I enjoy this forum so much!
Aren't they a riot?
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Plastic Soul Man:
First of all I am not applying this to everyone - that is my disclaimer. This is just a thought to put out there for some good honest debate. Now my Macca era is the 1980's, by my era, I mean the era I first became really aware of Paul. Therefore, the albums, singles, videos, tv appearance, look, events etc are all part of my upbringing. This is my Paul, I was there when it was happening and it is what I know. Others will have much early experiences and others later. Therefore, my view is we are always stuck in a time warp, with our first era of 'being there'. This is the Paul I relate everything to, the man, the music, the marriage, the family, the humour and of course the music (some great, some OK and some not so good). However, it is the Paul I still think he is. After LazyD posted those videos from the 89-90 tour the other night, it was a little bit of a shock to me and I ended up watching and listening to a load of video and audio from my past that I remember first hand. Silly things like Paul appearing with Linda on Top of the Pops when E&I hit number one. Paul doing a Buddy Holly special and singing Words of Love in his barn. Paul drinking tea in a disguise on the Noel Edmunds Late Late Breakfast Show, Paul on the Tube and that royal show doing Only Love Remains, The Spies Like Us video, Appearances on Wogan and Saturday Superstore, the 86 and 89 TV specials. McCartney on McCartney on the radio. The All the best promo stuff and Once upon a long ago. His sublime vocal contributions to the otherwise dire Ferry Aid and Hillsborough records. We all Stand Together video and childhood good feeling. Broadstreet and Lonely Nights, Pipes of Peace video. How I thought Press was the best video ever! All of these I have first hand memories of. Paul popping up in Tracy Ulmans video. The incredible My Brave Face and This One singles. The Latest Resort show with Paul signing all JR's Beatle LP's. Paul is stuck in my mind in this time zone. The last few weeks I have been left a little sad that this is not the case. I have been deluded thinking it was. Times, people and everything has changed. I accept that now and things will never be the same again. Time goes so quickly and things are different. You can't reheat a souffle someone once said. Can anyone else admit that they are stuck is a slightly delusional state from the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's even noughties when things were different and that they are trying somehow to hold on to this time. Just an observation. We can't recreate Beatle Paul, Wings Paul etc. and neither can he.
I'm nearly 43, got into The Beatles in 1982 & then started buying all the solo stuff in 1985, Spies Like Us being the first current Macca single I bought on release . Nearly all of what you posted I remember very well, in fact my first Macca memories are the Crossroads theme changing to the Wings version in '75 & of course Mull Of Kintyre . Performance wise & vocally I think we've seen the best of him now, however I hold high hopes that the songwriting dept. remains in good order & look forward to the new album. For me up until Off The Ground he was still pushing forward in every respect, then from Flaming Pie onwards he has had a very backwards view of his career with maybe the exception of Driving Rain.
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walliebaby:
Nancy R:
You two guys are part of the reason I enjoy this forum so much!
Aren't they a riot?
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Time for this me thinks.....I had a major crush on Trace......sat for many nights with her at the side of the stage on a bed in a theatre back in the early 80's, gorgeous woman!
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Good to see some level headed sense on this thread. Lets hope freedom of speech for all is alive and well. And that freedom can be given to all the oppressed on this board, freedom can be given to those who have been denied access to this board. And that freedom will be heard on this board - just NOT the 2001 song by Paul! So, let us not be blind to our differences. But let us also direct attention to our common interests and to the means by which those differences can be resolved. And if we cannot end now our differences, at least we can help make the board safe for diversity. For, in the final analysis, our most basic common link is that we all inhabit this small board. We all breathe the same music. We all cherish our heroes future. And we are all mortal. Remember fun, discussion, agreement and disagreement make life interesting. As we put aside our differences and make a fresh start all should be welcome and hostility should end for evermore.
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Really no offence, but please remember also that this is a message board on the internet. I know we are real people with real thoughts and opinions but after all this is a virtual place and nobody should take anything too serious. At least not serious enough to start a fight. And I'm talking to myself also, so don't attack me now
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Plastic Soul Man:
Good to see some level headed sense on this thread. Lets hope freedom of speech for all is alive and well. And that freedom can be given to all the oppressed on this board, freedom can be given to those who have been denied access to this board. And that freedom will be heard on this board - just NOT the 2001 song by Paul! So, let us not be blind to our differences. But let us also direct attention to our common interests and to the means by which those differences can be resolved. And if we cannot end now our differences, at least we can help make the board safe for diversity. For, in the final analysis, our most basic common link is that we all inhabit this small board. We all breathe the same music. We all cherish our heroes future. And we are all mortal. Remember fun, discussion, agreement and disagreement make life interesting. As we put aside our differences and make a fresh start all should be welcome and hostility should end for evermore.
This is what we need. the smoking of the pipe & as audi said elsewhere...exhale!
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Gawd, that was inspirational PSM.... I feel I could take on the world after a speech like that, or at very least another glas of vino!
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Then I guess my Paul is the 1966-1969. In those 4 years he wrote on his highest level. Imagine that composing era would have been summed in one album, like happens today, an album every 4 years or so. There's all the Paul songs on Revolver, Sgt Pepper, the White Album, Let It Be, Abbey Road, etc in one album. That's the stuff that truely made the Beatles legendary. Paul's annus miraculis (annus is the latin for year... nothing about his ass...). All the greatest artists have some especially good period and that's Paul's. And I guess I always expect it to happen again and I'm always dissapointed. Again and again, in every record. But the brilliance of that period has made underrate the music he wrote out of it. It's like a big myth for me. It's now that I get that I've always underrated his other music, maybe there's not such another great period but there is everywhere songs as good as those... There are in 1962-1966 and in his solo years. But as they're not from the "golden Paul's era" they don't seem so great to me or so. Kind of same with vocals. I'm gonna be very honest here. Paul started going wrong vocally in 1968 when he obsessed about that thing of the "smoking singer". He just wanted to sound "bad", like if he was hoarse, like if his voice was not so pure, so clean, so technical... and did things like deliberately hurting his voice for hours. Like for the recording of Oh Darling's bridge. I never ever have liked that in Paul, even when he did it at first (Helter Skelter, Oh Darling, I've Got A Feeling, Moonkberry...) but people seems to like it. Some of that vocals are typical favourites here. Some say they're sexy, some say they rock, but it's only Paul self-destroying his voice. I don't agree with rock and roll having to be a self-destructive thing. For me the way to "rock" is doing it effortlessly, so all the effort that usually is done is proven to be absurd. You can be cool while singing. Just like Elvis at first when he sang so easily and effortlessly that he kind of bored himself and did all kind of gestures like raising a shoulder, etc. so, for me, the very special year was 1968, he wrote then Hey Jude, Let It Be, The Long and Winding Road... and then started the "smoking singer" thing kind of wanting not to be himself anymore... Neither as a singer and a songwriter. So the Wings don't sound at all like the Beatles, he wanted to avoid that like if he was copying something. Then lots of years later he wanted to Return to Pepperland and sort of accepted his past again or so... "I go back so far I'm front of me". But Paul escapes that again and again from that. I guess it makes him feel too weird and so too different from anyone and too lonely. The fool on the hill. 1968 was a lonely year for Paul between Jane and Linda. So he gets back to being the most ordinary "smoking singer" with more ordinary songs, but the real Paul is always hidden, He can use the thousand voices but still the real Paul is there in charge of the music. Freddie used to say "Many days I wake up thinking 'I wish I wasn't Freddie Mercury today!', I think Paul very often doesn't want to be himself either. But he know he is, he's got that period all over his subsconscious, he has just has to speak about it He must let that out, but he doesn't really wants to. He can't help it, that's there, no matter if he calls himself as Wings, the Fireman... for me he's that guy form 1968 not accepting to be himself.
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I love being a "younger" fan. I first him when I was in middle school back in 1987, 20 years after Sgt Pepper, which back then, 20 years seemed like an eternity. After I bought up all the Beatles albums, I went right for Paul's solo works, the first one being All the Best then Flowers in the Dirt, which I love. After this I made the mistake of buying Wild Life, which caused me to take a hiatus from his solo work, just to save myself from further disappointment. But listening to FITD, All the Best and Tripping the Live Fantastic so many times during those years makes me immediately go back to that moment in time when I first heard his voice. I'll say this, I loved growing up after the Beatles and really after Wings. It meant I could get all this CDs whenever I saved up enough couch change. I didn't have to wait every 2-4 years for something new. Or every year like his earlier career.
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Martin Luther:
I love being a "younger" fan. I first him when I was in middle school back in 1987, 20 years after Sgt Pepper, which back then, 20 years seemed like an eternity. After I bought up all the Beatles albums, I went right for Paul's solo works, the first one being All the Best then Flowers in the Dirt, which I love. After this I made the mistake of buying Wild Life, which caused me to take a hiatus from his solo work, just to save myself from further disappointment. But listening to FITD, All the Best and Tripping the Live Fantastic so many times during those years makes me immediately go back to that moment in time when I first heard his voice. I'll say this, I loved growing up after the Beatles and really after Wings. It meant I could get all this CDs whenever I saved up enough couch change. I didn't have to wait every 2-4 years for something new. Or every year like his earlier career.
This sounds eerily like my own indoctrination into Paul's music, right down to the first three albums of his I bought. I managed to avoid Wild Life, though, until I was firmly entrenched.
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Wildlife has my most favorite Paul song. Tomorrow.
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DennyC:
Wildlife has my most favorite Paul song. Tomorrow.
That's what's so cool about Paul--even the albums of his I'm not partial to have some gems on them. I've said before, and I think David M. mentioned this too, that Paul should release an album, or a double album, of some of these lesser-known gems, maybe even some B-sides and such.
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DennyC:
Wildlife has my most favorite Paul song. Tomorrow.
I love this song, too