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vincejohn:
Sam Catalino, there is no comparison about Beach Boys, Monkeys,..yes they had catchy songs but thats about it...The Beatles ushered in a new sound ,style, and thought wave. And the truth is that both these bands took heavily from The Beatles............
Hello Vince, Well I could say the same about the Beatles. The new sound comes from various areas. I would agree that the Monkees took directly from the Beatles...Last Train to Clarksville was inspired by Paperback Writer. I do disagree with you about the Beach Boys taken anything heavily from the Beatles. The earliest rock and roll albums with orchestration come in with both Beggar's Banquet and Pet Sounds, both which predate Sgt. Pepper, so although some may consider the Beatles album at that time better, they certainly weren't setting any trends. Nor did they have anything that set the trend like Good Vibrations. Actually, the Beatles vocals borrowed heavily (initially) from the Everly Brothers, and I seldom heard the Beach Boys cover anything the Beatles originally did; however, I do see some (little, mind you) influence of the Beach Boys on the Beatles. There is no wrong answer here, but I must disagree with you about Brian Wilson borrowing anything from the Beatles.... Best, Sam C.
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Sam Leach:
Mass post as I'm going out. Samcat: The Beatles were trend setters....never followers. Christina: (Harleyblues). I don't mind which path the thread goes down as it makes for a more interesting thread. It's all in good fun so let's treat it that way. They can't really be serious...right ?! Paulfan: Don't get too bogged down with this `Monkee Biz. Sara (Starr). The above goes for you too, heh, heh. Tashi, Vinny, Lisa, Linda and Kathy (who's gone back into hiding). I've seen all your posts and they're good. Love, Cheers and hugs. Sam xxxx
Sam, Sir Paul might disagree with you being that Pet Sounds inspired Pepper.... There is no doubt that the Beatles were at the lead of the British invasion of the USA in music, but trend setters...well that is very debatable. There were many times they followed the trends, they just made them popular. I can understand your views, being that you looked upon all of them as good friends and one thing I do respect about you Sam, is that you are very supportive of your friends. Were I in your position, I would feel the same. Best, Sam C.
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I will say it again, while I like the Beach Boys, The Beatles were and are the best ever and they are the best there ever will be. They are still number one in the RIAA charts here in the US.
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21st Century Paul:
The Beach Boys had nothing to do with Monkees either. Pet Sounds is a tremendous album. It inspired the Beatles to do Sgt. Pepper's to top it. God Only Knows was claimed for Paul as "the best love song of all time". If I was in 1966 and (I forget The Beatles' songs) I will agree with that.
Hi, I think the opinion stll holds true. The thing is that Pet Sounds was very well received in England, in fact, I believe someone took a full page ad out in the newspapers praising this album over in England. Capitol did not support this change of the Beach Boys sound, and you have to wonder how Pet Sounds did as well as it did back in the USA. The Beach Boys were changing their sound in many ways in late 1965 and early in 1966. Good Vibrations sealed that change. Unfortunately, many people still look at the Beach Boys as just a surfing band.... Best, Sam C.
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maccascruff:
I will say it again, while I like the Beach Boys, The Beatles were and are the best ever and they are the best there ever will be. They are still number one in the RIAA charts here in the US.
I understand that, but you can say (in an objective opinion) that they sold the most in the Band category, but to say they are the best ever is a subjective opinion and can be challenged and I just hope that many of you who love the Beatles (I love them too) are tolerant of many of us who feel that other bands were better. Like I said, no wrong answer to that one. Best, Sam C.
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Hello everyone! Our favourite Sam is only up by three votes! Please vote for our favourite Sam! Vote early and often. Go to www.samleach.com then click past the intros and put your pointer on Vote for my site and press enter! Take a look at the pictures there! Great history lesson about the Beatles. Cheers! Sam C.
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Okay Sam I won't get too bogged dwon with this Monkey Biz.
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Hi Sam hehe ok i'll try and not gete all caught up in the Monkee talk!!
Hello to everyone else!!
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Hello Sam.....your far above the rest!!~..in rankin gs....
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Hi, all...It´s a hot saturday afternoon here... my wife and daughters have just gone to shopping I´ve walked the dog already, all my friends are on the beaches, I´ve enough of playing my Eagle acoustic, no football on TV... there´s absolutely nothing to do... but ´there´s an exciting competition between " Monkees x Beatles " here on this thread and I can´t wait to see who´s winning re Monkees they were " created by american media " really, but the other side is that their songs - listen to " Last train " for example, are quite good so let´s watch the fight !!!!
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Hi Starr. Yeas I´ve been visiting Tommy james site and it´´s great...I did the same on www.garylewisandtheplayboys.com and peternoone. It´s a pity The Pacemakers don´t have a site yet re old bands let´s not forget Sam the Sham and The Pharaos www.samthesham.com
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Hi Sara how are you tdoay? Hello Christina,Sam the other Macca book you were mentioned in is called yesterday by Chet Flippo. Cesar speaking of Sam The Sham I love Lil Red Riding Hood. Funny thing is I thought it sounded like Mick Jagger singing when I first heard the song.
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hi, Paulfan... maybe the poor " Lil red riding hood " was cold when the record was made lol
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has anybody listened " Big city lights " by the Pharoes " ? It´s a great song but I could never hear it again since any of the compilations I ´ve ever seen included it ...the last time I heard it was .... 1967 [ not that I´m that old ] heh heh ....
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Hi, Sam... no book at all untill now cry Maybe the postman daughter has just started reading it x or maybe they send the book by boat and it´s still in the middle of the ocean lol
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Hi Samcat I disagree with you on three counts....at least. Firstly Buddy Holly was mixing orchesrtas with Rock well before The Beach Boys...and producing his own stuff. Secondly...The Beatles were doing close harmony vocals in 1961 long before America had even heard of them...or the Beach Boys. Thirdly....When Sergeant Pepper was released Mick Jagger and Roger Daltrey played it endlessly getting drunk as they did so. Mick commented. "We might as well pack in. We can't follow this..no one can." I've been reading all these comments by those trying to lift The Beach Boys and Monkees onto the same plane as The Beatles. Impossible !! If you all want to fully appreciate WHO and WHAT the Beatles were as regards to being trend setters then please read `Revolution In The Head' by the late Ian McDonald. Cheers Sam
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Hi Cesar I sent two books via Airmail two weeks ago. I think you may be right about the Brazilian post office officials. Let's hope they arrive this week. And I can't believe all this stuff...I should say `guff'...trying to say Monkees and even The Beach Boys being the equal to The Beatles. The record books will back me and I don't count some bands bettering the Beatles for a few months. The only barometer worth considering are the record books. Beatles first...the rest a long, long way behind. And slipping further behind day by day. Cheers. Sam.
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Hi everyone. There's been many posts in the last few days and I'll answer those that need a reply tomorrow. Keep the cauldron bubbling. Cheers. Sam.
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Hi Sam I back your point on the Beatles -- I agree that no group came close to touching them. Although Sam C, I promise to take a listen to some of the Beach Boys later work. Cheers! Mike
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Hello again. Someone way back said the first `Boy Band' was The Beatles. I don't think so !! Boy bands rely on sexual charisma, good looks and dance routines. The Beatles didn't go in for any of that..thank goodness. Although reasonably handsome they couldn't dance to save their lives. They merely relied on talent. Those were the days !! Cheers Sam.