Sam Leach - KEEP
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Hi Samcat I disagree with you on three counts....at least. Firstly Buddy Holly was mixing orchesrtas with Rock well before The Beach Boys...and producing his own stuff. Secondly...The Beatles were doing close harmony vocals in 1961 long before America had even heard of them...or the Beach Boys. Thirdly....When Sergeant Pepper was released Mick Jagger and Roger Daltrey played it endlessly getting drunk as they did so. Mick commented. "We might as well pack in. We can't follow this..no one can." I've been reading all these comments by those trying to lift The Beach Boys and Monkees onto the same plane as The Beatles. Impossible !! If you all want to fully appreciate WHO and WHAT the Beatles were as regards to being trend setters then please read `Revolution In The Head' by the late Ian McDonald. Cheers Sam
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Hi Cesar I sent two books via Airmail two weeks ago. I think you may be right about the Brazilian post office officials. Let's hope they arrive this week. And I can't believe all this stuff...I should say `guff'...trying to say Monkees and even The Beach Boys being the equal to The Beatles. The record books will back me and I don't count some bands bettering the Beatles for a few months. The only barometer worth considering are the record books. Beatles first...the rest a long, long way behind. And slipping further behind day by day. Cheers. Sam.
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Hi everyone. There's been many posts in the last few days and I'll answer those that need a reply tomorrow. Keep the cauldron bubbling. Cheers. Sam.
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Hi Sam I back your point on the Beatles -- I agree that no group came close to touching them. Although Sam C, I promise to take a listen to some of the Beach Boys later work. Cheers! Mike
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Hello again. Someone way back said the first `Boy Band' was The Beatles. I don't think so !! Boy bands rely on sexual charisma, good looks and dance routines. The Beatles didn't go in for any of that..thank goodness. Although reasonably handsome they couldn't dance to save their lives. They merely relied on talent. Those were the days !! Cheers Sam.
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Thanks Mike. I fully appreciate other people's opinions but there has to be a limit. The Beatles will be glorified 100 years from now. The rest will be relegated to mere footnotes. Cheers. Sam.
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Hi Sam Hope your writing is coming along well. I am doing my own version of that -- have 2 more months of writing speeches, mail pieces -- am writing like crazy. Heck, if all that work though brings me back to the UK just a year after my previous trip -- I guess it's all worth it. Too bad Macca won't be touring in the spring hopefully he does tour in the fall, though! Cheers! Mike
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Maybe so Cesar Lil Red Riding Hood may have been cold. Sam I agree that no one can match the Beatles. I've heard that saying about the Beatles being the first boy band,my cousin's husband thinks so. I know that people see Paul as a pretty boy type like David Cassidy or Donny Osmond which is why the Beatles to some are considred the first boy band. I donm't agree witht hat though as they could write,sing and play their own instruments. I did tell you that someone told me that they are overrated and think I Want Ot Hold Your Hand is crap lyrics which makes me laugh. I even read where somebody said of Paul anybody can write a song on three or four chords,but that makes me laugh. I'll ignore people who call the Beatles the first boy band as you said. It cracks me up. I'm glad nobody has compared N'Sync or the Backstreet Boys to the Beatles,that would be hilarious. I agree with you when the Beatles were popular were the days.
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Sam Leach:
Mass post as I'm going out. Samcat: The Beatles were trend setters....never followers. Christina: (Harleyblues). I don't mind which path the thread goes down as it makes for a more interesting thread. It's all in good fun so let's treat it that way. They can't really be serious...right ?! Paulfan: Don't get too bogged down with this `Monkee Biz. Sara (Starr). The above goes for you too, heh, heh. Tashi, Vinny, Lisa, Linda and Kathy (who's gone back into hiding). I've seen all your posts and they're good. Love, Cheers and hugs. Sam xxxx
Hey Sam, hey all! Thanks for the extra post love there.
Anyways, another exam comin' up. I'm trying my best to keep up...it's kinda hard. I don't really go into hiding. Really, why would I wanna hide from this place. Thanks for noticing my last post, that was really nice of you.
I'm gussing I might be on Sunday, depends how my time is. Stupid exams...*grumble grumble*
Samuel Catalino:
Kat, Thanks for the kind remarks. I love the Monkees. I love the Beatles. I love the Beach Boys. Best, Sam C.
No problem.
I love all three, too.
I think that no one can match the Beatles though, but I do love them, don't get me wrong. Paulfan, that was very well said.
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As well as Pet Sound inspired Sgt. Pepper's... Revolver inspired Pet Sounds!
Actually musicians don't compete but learn from each other. Lennon and McCartney are the greatest example. I think that the only band that I can compare with The Beatles is Queen. According to musical talent. But they didn't have the "conceptual" impact of the Beatles. While Beatles set the standard that every band copied, Queen went with the flow.
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Someone has to say the truth and this one will have to be myself. The only reason Paul McCartney once said Sgt Peppers album was inspired by Pet Sounds is to be nice to american people/ media. I have Pet Sounds CD and to be honest there´s nothing special even if you compare with a Rolling Stones album> I think the only american band that influenced the Beatles - and I mean Lennon - was the Byrds whose music was innovative
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Songs that deserve to be considered at a Beatle level ( in my humble opinion ) 1- Mr Tambourine Man [ Dylan ] , by The Byrds 2- Lady Jane , Rolling Stones 3- paint it black, Rolling Stones 4- ferry cross the Mersey, Gerry and the Pacemakers ..................
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Hi, Oliver my best wishes of succes to your CD and rock career
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hi, Guitar Kat why don´t you listen Alice Cooper " School´s out " lol
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Cesar I remind one Paul's words about one that she drove from Liverpool to London. On the first way he played Pet Sounds on the car-cd and on the way back he played Sgt. Peppers. He thinks that those were the album of the '60s. Paul introduced Brian Wilson to Hall Of Fame and his speech is very clear bout him. He has said the "God Only Knows" thing a lot of times. Even more. In that interview Paul says that he have bought a copy of Pet Sounds to every of his children. Just for learning about life. As an education tool. He commented every song. And he was very admiring to "Wouldn't It Be Nice" and "You Still Believe Me" and the whole album itself. If we forget the Beatles it's Paul fav album.
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Hi Cesar You're absolutely right. The Byrds and the Beatle often compared notes BEFORE they finished albums looking for each other's opinions. Read `Revolution In The Head' for confirmation of that. But I also thought The Beach Boys were fabulous too...especially Brian. ....but not up to The Beatles. No one was !! Goodnight. Sam.
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Sam Leach:
Hi Samcat: I disagree with you on three counts....at least. Firstly Buddy Holly was mixing orchesrtas with Rock well before The Beach Boys...and producing his own stuff. Secondly...The Beatles were doing close harmony vocals in 1961 long before America had even heard of them...or the Beach Boys. Thirdly....When Sergeant Pepper was released Mick Jagger and Roger Daltrey played it endlessly getting drunk as they did so. Mick commented. "We might as well pack in. We can't follow this..no one can." I've been reading all these comments by those trying to lift The Beach Boys and Monkees onto the same plane as The Beatles. Impossible !! If you all want to fully appreciate WHO and WHAT the Beatles were as regards to being trend setters then please read `Revolution In The Head' by the late Ian McDonald. Cheers Sam
Sam, True about Buddy Holly, but not to the extent that was used in the albums discussed. And it was Brian Wilson who did the producing for the Beach Boys. There was no George Martin to consult with, and in many ways he aided the development of the Beatles. I never said that the harmony of the Beatles were like the Beach Boys, they were more like the Everly Brothers, so it was nothing new as they followed that trend. It was Pet Sounds and Good Vibrations that elicited all the meetings between the Brian Epstein and the Beatles about the music and pretty much inspired them to do Pepper. Most of your Rock Historians put Pet Sounds as one of the greatest albums of all time. Many also look at Good Vibrations as one of the key songs in the 1960s. While I can not put the Monkees on the same plane with the Beatles, I certainly can put the Beach Boys on the same plane. We will have to agree to disagree. Cheers! Sam C.
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Sam Leach:
Hi Cesar You're absolutely right. The Byrds and the Beatle often compared notes BEFORE they finished albums looking for each other's opinions. Read `Revolution In The Head' for confirmation of that. But I also thought The Beach Boys were fabulous too...especially Brian. ....but not up to The Beatles. No one was !! Goodnight. Sam.
Hi Sam, And there is nothing wrong with you having that opinion. Just please realize that some of us who love the Beatles' music are going to disagree with that view. I feel in many ways that Brian Wilson was a match for anything the Beatles could do and he did his own producing. The only thing he needed work on was his lyrics. After Holland, the Beach Boys went downhill creatively IMHO. Goodnight to you, Sam C.
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Hi, Sam and Oliver the Byrds are really great I once saw them playing I wanna hold your hand in a folk style ... fantastic !!!
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cbimbi:
Hi, Oliver my best wishes of succes to your CD and rock career
Thank you. Well, not every single great song is by The Beatles... There's a lot of artist who has sometimes doing so great things but not a entire career. Beach Boys had a great 1966. With Good Vibrations and Pet Sounds. But mostly nothing after that. There's only a few artist that really have been "eternal". Always doing great stuff. The Beatles, The Stones, Queen, Elton John, Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen and of course John Lennon and Paul McCartney.