Off the Ground
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Thanks people. Some interesting points. I'm already a fan of Flowers in the Dirt and Press to Play, so next stop for me is Pipes of Peace. As usual I've read some opinions on this, and they seem completely polarised. I know the title track and Say Say Say, but the others I have never heard. Ordering CD today.
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It's a very good, but not great, album. C'Mon People is a masterpiece, though...what a way to close the album!
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DrBeatle:
It's a very good, but not great, album. C'Mon People is a masterpiece, though...what a way to close the album!
Agreed. Has 'massive hit' written all over it too. He should still be performing that live.
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Wyrdskein:
Thanks people. Some interesting points. I'm already a fan of Flowers in the Dirt and Press to Play, so next stop for me is Pipes of Peace. As usual I've read some opinions on this, and they seem completely polarised. I know the title track and Say Say Say, but the others I have never heard. Ordering CD today.
Pipes of Peace is not my favorite - but I think 'Through Our Love' is a hidden gem and Average Person isn't quite the bomb people make it out to be...and despite the fact that I'm on the side of believing the alledged stories of Michael Jackson and what he did with kids, I don't let that cloud the fact that I find Say Say Say to be a fine song. But this album does have 'Hey Hey', which to me, may be the worst thing he ever actually taped (ok, maybe in private he taped himself farting or something...but of all things that ever hit the street on official or bootleg release, this is it - the worst) And this album also contains the one lyric that has always been used by critics to show (unfairly I may add since there's no doubt Paul's a great writer), how 'bad' of a writer he is..I defend the man from the general criticism because it's not fair...but I can't really defend the line (but hey, it's just one line - what's the big whip about???)
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rich n:
Wyrdskein:
Thanks people. Some interesting points. I'm already a fan of Flowers in the Dirt and Press to Play, so next stop for me is Pipes of Peace. As usual I've read some opinions on this, and they seem completely polarised. I know the title track and Say Say Say, but the others I have never heard. Ordering CD today.
... Average Person isn't quite the bomb people make it out to be...
Sounds like a Randy Newman song to me.
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audi:
rich n:
Wyrdskein:
Thanks people. Some interesting points. I'm already a fan of Flowers in the Dirt and Press to Play, so next stop for me is Pipes of Peace. As usual I've read some opinions on this, and they seem completely polarised. I know the title track and Say Say Say, but the others I have never heard. Ordering CD today.
... Average Person isn't quite the bomb people make it out to be...
Sounds like a Randy Newman song to me.
Average Person is an extremely enjoyable track.
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ewanme:
DrBeatle:
It's a very good, but not great, album. C'Mon People is a masterpiece, though...what a way to close the album!
Agreed. Has 'massive hit' written all over it too. He should still be performing that live.
I totally agree that Paul should still be performing C'mon People live still. I know here threw in Hope Of Deliverance since recently, but C'mon People is such a strong song! I think it's equally, if not more important, in the world today to send the message to the world that "we've got a future and it's charging in, we'll make the best of all we have and more, we'll do what never has been done before." I think he should replace this with Hope of Deliverance if he is going to bring back any song from Off the Ground. I am so not picky though when it comes to Paul playing anything from 1980-present lol. I also think "Looking For Changes" would be a great addition to the show now. It's a great rocker tune like Save Us!
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ewanme:
DrBeatle:
It's a very good, but not great, album. C'Mon People is a masterpiece, though...what a way to close the album!
Agreed. Has 'massive hit' written all over it too. He should still be performing that live.
He did it, in 1993 at the end of the World Tour, I listened and watched here in Santiago, and certainly it would be great if he does again this April!
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ewanme:
DrBeatle:
It's a very good, but not great, album. C'Mon People is a masterpiece, though...what a way to close the album!
Agreed. Has 'massive hit' written all over it too. He should still be performing that live.
He did and it wasn't.
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The more I listen to this album, the more I love it. Flaming Pie has also grown on me a lot, but not as much as Off the Ground.
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Wyrdskein:
...Flaming Pie has also grown on me a lot, but not as much as Off the Ground.
You don't hear that everyday.
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Off the Ground was a bigger seller than Flowers in many countrys, the difference is mainly UK,in UK Flowers was number one and platinum disc,can tell you my country Portugal as an example here almost nobody likes Paul maybe only me!!!we have a top 30 sales chart and here Flaming Pie was a no show in the chart,Run devil Run the same,Wingspan the same, Driving Rain the same,Chaos the same,Memory the same and New the same!not a single week in the top 30 even if in the number 30!but Off the ground was number 2 several weeks! only with the Bodyguard soundtrack at number one (with the monster hit I will always love you!)and what about Japan? is the best selling Paul album in that country!and another bigger country Germany Off the ground was number 2 several weeks with the bodyguard soundtrack at number one(like Portugal)in fact Off the ground i think is the best selling Paul album in Germany platinum disc there,and Rolling Stone gave the album 4 stars...again the problem was UK the critics in UK well like always or most of the times give Paul a bad time i have the Q magazine and they kill literally the album!to this day i don´t understand UK they should kiss Paul hand!!!!
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i really like Off the ground a lot and Pipes of peace too in fact was Pipes of peace that made me a Super Paul fan
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audi:
Wyrdskein:
...Flaming Pie has also grown on me a lot, but not as much as Off the Ground.
You don't hear that everyday.
That's for sure!
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I really like Off The Ground its good a real band sound and feel very underated
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Kicked around no more is a great song, this is one of my fav macca lps it seems to get slated a lot esp on a podcast I was listening to just after Christmas I've got a beatles podcast it was a very funny episode but they did not rate off the ground at all. Unfairly IMO
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I like the actual OTG album fine but it seems to me (and often times the case) that some of the best tracks are left OFF the official album. All the extra tracks that show up on OTG: The Complete Works are terrific! Some are BETTER than cuts that made the official album IMO. So if during Tug Of War, Paul turned the extra tracks into Pipes Of Peace, I am surprised that the extra cuts from the OTG sessions didn't form the basis of another album like Tug/Pipes. Or if you are going to do a 'Complete Works' set like for Off The Ground, why not for the other albums too? Well, I guess he IS now with the remasters but back then it was clearly unique. Odd side note: In my local Walmart, in the New Arrivals rack, Off The Ground has turned up in there. The original pressings from 1993. It's there are $9. As far as I can tell, it is supposed to be out of print.
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Wyrdskein:
... I don't really understand the criticism.
I don't mind the criticism. My favorite song in the album is "Peace In The Neighbourhood." I prefer the live version of "Cmon People." I'm not saying I don't like the studio recording, though.
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carlos guerreiro:
i really like Off the ground a lot and Pipes of peace too in fact was Pipes of peace that made me a Super Paul fan
YOU DON'T HEAR THAT EVERY DAY!
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I would probably rank it as my third favourite McCartney album.