Set List critique
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Ha, imagine McCartney posting this...
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nobodytoldme:
Ha, imagine McCartney posting this...
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nobodytoldme:
Ha, imagine McCartney posting this...
The Stones ALWAYS run through about 100 songs in some way shape or form during rehearsals. However they always end up with pretty much the same 22 songs in concert albeit in different order. Their sets are as static and predictable as Pauls, in most cases less so. For a band that started circa 1962, they are really interested in playing the warhorses in concert. Yes, there are occasions when they surprise, but they are conservative in the extreme with the songs they play.
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nobodytoldme:
Ha, imagine McCartney posting this...
That's either bulltish or if it's true chances are they'd have run through the songs nominated ANYWAY regardless of what the fans nominated. Springsteen really mixes it up! Prince...Dylan.
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moptops:
nobodytoldme:
Ha, imagine McCartney posting this...
The Stones ALWAYS run through about 100 songs in some way shape or form during rehearsals. However they always end up with pretty much the same 22 songs in concert albeit in different order. Their sets are as static and predictable as Pauls, in most cases less so. For a band that started circa 1962, they are really interested in playing the warhorses in concert. Yes, there are occasions when they surprise, but they are conservative in the extreme with the songs they play.
About a year ago, Mick Jagger was quoted that fans don't want to hear new songs. Anyway, it still seems that the only act from their era who reliably puts together a fresh show is Eric Clapton. However, just like Macca, the last quarter of the show is the same-ol'-same-ol' ("Wonderful Tonight," "Cocaine," a Cream classic). But the preceding 75% could be anything, and that's what I love about his concerts. Clapton's Journeyman came out in 1989 -- the same year as McCartney's Flowers In The Dirt. "Pretending" wasn't as big of a hit as "My Brave Face," yet Clapton felt it was time to perform it again in the recent past. I don't think any Flowers songs have been performed since 1990.
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audi:
moptops:
nobodytoldme:
Ha, imagine McCartney posting this...
The Stones ALWAYS run through about 100 songs in some way shape or form during rehearsals. However they always end up with pretty much the same 22 songs in concert albeit in different order. Their sets are as static and predictable as Pauls, in most cases less so. For a band that started circa 1962, they are really interested in playing the warhorses in concert. Yes, there are occasions when they surprise, but they are conservative in the extreme with the songs they play.
About a year ago, Mick Jagger was quoted that fans don't want to hear new songs. Anyway, it still seems that the only act from their era who reliably puts together a fresh show is Eric Clapton. However, just like Macca, the last quarter of the show is the same-ol'-same-ol' ("Wonderful Tonight," "Cocaine," a Cream classic). But the preceding 75% could be anything, and that's what I love about his concerts. Clapton's Journeyman came out in 1989 -- the same year as McCartney's Flowers In The Dirt. "Pretending" wasn't as big of a hit as "My Brave Face," yet Clapton felt it was time to perform it again in the recent past. I don't think any Flowers songs have been performed since 1990.
That's been the consistent pattern for 25 years: He plays a handful of songs from whatever new album he's promoting, then files them away and forgets they ever existed. It would be great to get one song from each album from FITD forward. And no, I don't expect that before Hell freezes over.
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moptops:
nobodytoldme:
Ha, imagine McCartney posting this...
The Stones ALWAYS run through about 100 songs in some way shape or form during rehearsals. However they always end up with pretty much the same 22 songs in concert albeit in different order. Their sets are as static and predictable as Pauls, in most cases less so. For a band that started circa 1962, they are really interested in playing the warhorses in concert. Yes, there are occasions when they surprise, but they are conservative in the extreme with the songs they play.
I realise this, but the big difference is that they rotate the sets slightly from evening to evening and still put a few true deep cuts among the warhorses. That surprise factor, even how little with The Stones, is so important to the excitement of live music to me. Something which lacked completely to me when Europe finally got the reheated left-overs during that Out There-leg. When McCartney changes something, you know it's there to stay for a long time. And if it isn't, it was probably a fan favourite, haha... The Stones' sets since the 'comeback' in 2012 had an average of about 22 songs, but each year about 50 unique songs are being played. Indeed, which on average still 30 songs more than twice, so many one-off covers and songs which never came back afterwards, but it does happen and the surprise factor is there. And many of those are by request. While during for example the 'Out There'-tour McCartney had an average of 39 songs (the end medley counted separately) over 93 shows over 2,5 years, and 24 of those songs were played 90 times or more... At least he had a sudden final spurt in 2015 when he added the most offbeat song he ever played, and he completely overhauled the encore. And that gives me hope!
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audi:
moptops:
nobodytoldme:
Ha, imagine McCartney posting this...
The Stones ALWAYS run through about 100 songs in some way shape or form during rehearsals. However they always end up with pretty much the same 22 songs in concert albeit in different order. Their sets are as static and predictable as Pauls, in most cases less so. For a band that started circa 1962, they are really interested in playing the warhorses in concert. Yes, there are occasions when they surprise, but they are conservative in the extreme with the songs they play.
About a year ago, Mick Jagger was quoted that fans don't want to hear new songs. Anyway, it still seems that the only act from their era who reliably puts together a fresh show is Eric Clapton. However, just like Macca, the last quarter of the show is the same-ol'-same-ol' ("Wonderful Tonight," "Cocaine," a Cream classic). But the preceding 75% could be anything, and that's what I love about his concerts. Clapton's Journeyman came out in 1989 -- the same year as McCartney's Flowers In The Dirt. "Pretending" wasn't as big of a hit as "My Brave Face," yet Clapton felt it was time to perform it again in the recent past. I don't think any Flowers songs have been performed since 1990.
New songs? Hell the Stones disregard most of the 60's and 70's work@
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nobodytoldme:
moptops:
nobodytoldme:
Ha, imagine McCartney posting this...
The Stones ALWAYS run through about 100 songs in some way shape or form during rehearsals. However they always end up with pretty much the same 22 songs in concert albeit in different order. Their sets are as static and predictable as Pauls, in most cases less so. For a band that started circa 1962, they are really interested in playing the warhorses in concert. Yes, there are occasions when they surprise, but they are conservative in the extreme with the songs they play.
I realise this, but the big difference is that they rotate the sets slightly from evening to evening and still put a few true deep cuts among the warhorses. That surprise factor, even how little with The Stones, is so important to the excitement of live music to me. Something which lacked completely to me when Europe finally got the reheated left-overs during that Out There-leg. When McCartney changes something, you know it's there to stay for a long time. And if it isn't, it was probably a fan favourite, haha... The Stones' sets since the 'comeback' in 2012 had an average of about 22 songs, but each year about 50 unique songs are being played. Indeed, which on average still 30 songs more than twice, so many one-off covers and songs which never came back afterwards, but it does happen and the surprise factor is there. And many of those are by request. While during for example the 'Out There'-tour McCartney had an average of 39 songs (the end medley counted separately) over 93 shows over 2,5 years, and 24 of those songs were played 90 times or more... At least he had a sudden final spurt in 2015 when he added the most offbeat song he ever played, and he completely overhauled the encore. And that gives me hope!
There are no songs by request. That is a gimmick. The songs are chosen well in advance and then everyone cheers thinking "we got our request". That is real and that is fact. The Stones play what THEY want to play.
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Remember that b.s. American tv-series on the A&E network called Live By Request? Great performances, but the premise was false, as every song was pre-selected and rehearsed.
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audi:
moptops:
nobodytoldme:
Ha, imagine McCartney posting this...
The Stones ALWAYS run through about 100 songs in some way shape or form during rehearsals. However they always end up with pretty much the same 22 songs in concert albeit in different order. Their sets are as static and predictable as Pauls, in most cases less so. For a band that started circa 1962, they are really interested in playing the warhorses in concert. Yes, there are occasions when they surprise, but they are conservative in the extreme with the songs they play.
About a year ago, Mick Jagger was quoted that fans don't want to hear new songs. Anyway, it still seems that the only act from their era who reliably puts together a fresh show is Eric Clapton. However, just like Macca, the last quarter of the show is the same-ol'-same-ol' ("Wonderful Tonight," "Cocaine," a Cream classic). But the preceding 75% could be anything, and that's what I love about his concerts. Clapton's Journeyman came out in 1989 -- the same year as McCartney's Flowers In The Dirt. "Pretending" wasn't as big of a hit as "My Brave Face," yet Clapton felt it was time to perform it again in the recent past. I don't think any Flowers songs have been performed since 1990.
They're all different cats. Macca, Stones, Who, Clapton, etc...I've seen EC countless times but never again. His last concert here was abysmal. He treated the audience with indifference...big mistake. Eric you don't like touring? Get off the fucking stage. And his playing has been lacklustre for years. Stones are a parody of themselves. Paul rolls his way. I'm pretty much ok with that at his time of life, and my time of life.
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I am genuinely bored with Paul McCartney concerts. And the suckiest part about it is that his shows don't have to be boring.
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audi:
I am genuinely bored with Paul McCartney concerts. And the suckiest part about it is that his shows don't have to be boring.
Well to your credit you vote with your feet. I think you skipped a couple of shows nearby you? That's fair enough.
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audi:
I am genuinely bored with Paul McCartney concerts. And the suckiest part about it is that his shows don't have to be boring.
Oh the irony...I'd crawl over broken glass to see a "boring" McCartney concert here.
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moptops:
audi:
I am genuinely bored with Paul McCartney concerts. And the suckiest part about it is that his shows don't have to be boring.
Well to your credit you vote with your feet. I think you skipped a couple of shows nearby you? That's fair enough. Oh the irony...I'd crawl over broken glass to see a "boring" McCartney concert here.
I skipped the Nashville 2014 show. I basically saw the same show at Bonnaroo the year before -- the only difference were the four songs from NEW. Zzzzzzzz.....
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audi has a point - I would still see a show if Paul came here to Massachusetts....but gone are the days I'd take a day trip to NY, etc to see him live
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moptops:
nobodytoldme:
moptops:
nobodytoldme:
Ha, imagine McCartney posting this...
The Stones ALWAYS run through about 100 songs in some way shape or form during rehearsals. However they always end up with pretty much the same 22 songs in concert albeit in different order. Their sets are as static and predictable as Pauls, in most cases less so. For a band that started circa 1962, they are really interested in playing the warhorses in concert. Yes, there are occasions when they surprise, but they are conservative in the extreme with the songs they play.
I realise this, but the big difference is that they rotate the sets slightly from evening to evening and still put a few true deep cuts among the warhorses. That surprise factor, even how little with The Stones, is so important to the excitement of live music to me. Something which lacked completely to me when Europe finally got the reheated left-overs during that Out There-leg. When McCartney changes something, you know it's there to stay for a long time. And if it isn't, it was probably a fan favourite, haha... The Stones' sets since the 'comeback' in 2012 had an average of about 22 songs, but each year about 50 unique songs are being played. Indeed, which on average still 30 songs more than twice, so many one-off covers and songs which never came back afterwards, but it does happen and the surprise factor is there. And many of those are by request. While during for example the 'Out There'-tour McCartney had an average of 39 songs (the end medley counted separately) over 93 shows over 2,5 years, and 24 of those songs were played 90 times or more... At least he had a sudden final spurt in 2015 when he added the most offbeat song he ever played, and he completely overhauled the encore. And that gives me hope!
There are no songs by request. That is a gimmick. The songs are chosen well in advance and then everyone cheers thinking "we got our request". That is real and that is fact. The Stones play what THEY want to play.
Well, of course, name it how you want it to name, but they do often play rare songs in that block. I don't believe the "we listen to the fans"-talk either, but fact is still that they throw in fan favourites and rotate them, how little even. McCartney-fans get one 'Letting Go', one 'Junior's Farm', one 'Temporary Secretary' a TOUR, haha.
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audi:
I am genuinely bored with Paul McCartney concerts. And the suckiest part about it is that his shows don't have to be boring.
Exactly. I went to the Citifield concert years ago and had great time. I enjoyed the Fireman songs and things like "Only Mama Knows". In addition, my family had already planned a trip to NYC at that time months before the concert was announced. He came to Charlotte NC where I live the next year and I was not going to go. I did go only because my daughters wanted to see him (first time) and thought it would be cool to share the experience with them. IMO it is not worth over $100 a ticket now to see him play songs I have heard many times before in a better voice. The few new songs from his most current record/CD is not enough for me. Mr. McCartney would have to mix up his setlist with at least 6-8 solo songs never done live for me to pay the money. Since that will not happen, I will never see him again.
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Bruce M.:
audi:
moptops:
nobodytoldme:
Ha, imagine McCartney posting this...
The Stones ALWAYS run through about 100 songs in some way shape or form during rehearsals. However they always end up with pretty much the same 22 songs in concert albeit in different order. Their sets are as static and predictable as Pauls, in most cases less so. For a band that started circa 1962, they are really interested in playing the warhorses in concert. Yes, there are occasions when they surprise, but they are conservative in the extreme with the songs they play.
About a year ago, Mick Jagger was quoted that fans don't want to hear new songs. Anyway, it still seems that the only act from their era who reliably puts together a fresh show is Eric Clapton. However, just like Macca, the last quarter of the show is the same-ol'-same-ol' ("Wonderful Tonight," "Cocaine," a Cream classic). But the preceding 75% could be anything, and that's what I love about his concerts. Clapton's Journeyman came out in 1989 -- the same year as McCartney's Flowers In The Dirt. "Pretending" wasn't as big of a hit as "My Brave Face," yet Clapton felt it was time to perform it again in the recent past. I don't think any Flowers songs have been performed since 1990.
That's been the consistent pattern for 25 years: He plays a handful of songs from whatever new album he's promoting, then files them away and forgets they ever existed. It would be great to get one song from each album from FITD forward. And no, I don't expect that before Hell freezes over.
Sad but very true.
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...and yet, AND YET he tours there all the time. So frustrating for regions he never visits.