The 2012 and beyond Political Thread - Part 2
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I wonder what position Trump is going to give his ex-wife Marla Maples?
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HaileyMcComet:
Donald Trump is so anti-establishment that his cabinet will be leading members of the establishment. His chief of staff is one of the chairmen of the establishment. I, for one, will enjoy watching the establishment drain the swamp and fill it with the establishment. Billionaire corporate executives have been kept down long enough. It's about time they took America back from the billionaire corporate executives.
Amen!
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HaileyMcComet:
love2travel:
In my opinion, the whole of American media works on the distraction theory. When something really important happens here or abroad, the focus is always on something ridiculously unimportant, such as Brittney Spears wearing no underwear, or Kanye, what the Kardashians are doing, Beyonce. It's all a distraction to keep the Americans focused on the frivolous actions of other people, totally drawing your attention away from what is happening in the world. You only have to look at the election, to see that is true. Tweeting lies, being so rich that your families struggles are played out on TV every week, like a train wreck at times. Distraction, distraction, distraction. While the real world is looking at you in horror and disbelief. We have become the Kardasian TV show of the world, in full train wreck motion. It's clear why Trump was elected. I need to turn that channel off, I have a headache. Besides with the TV off, the news off, I can think clearly again. No wonder people think someone who had a fake reality show and looked for a fake reason to unceremoniously fire slightly heavy people because he found them unattractive. There was no substance, whatsoever to that show even. Unless you were a bully in training.
Celebrity scandals have always been a great way to distract voters. Remember when Janet Jackson's Super Bowl nipple was the end of the world as we knew it? That happened during an election year when the incumbent was pushing a very unpopular war that a lot of people wanted to end right after Saddam Hussein was captured. "Wardrobe malfunction" did for 2004 what "hanging chad" did for 2000. The best news coverage I saw during this endless election was on Chinese TV. Unlike CNN or BBC, they talked about issues and policy rather than poll numbers. And they never interviewed a single raging idiot. It's kind of ironic and/or sad that I got more news out of a state-run Chinese broadcaster than "the most trusted name in news".
Probably what we should have seen more of here!!! If I recall correctly there was not much of a real plan, on Trump's side of things...other than to build a wall, which is going to be unbelievably expensive, if it ever gets built at all.
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Maybe Tiger Woods will run for President!
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"Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead." ~ Hillary Clinton, Nov. 9, 2016
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Andy_Shofar:
"Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead." ~ Hillary Clinton, Nov. 9, 2016
And, SOME Germans Said The Same Thing About Hitler Remember, That DEMOCRAT President's Roosevelt and Truman Served and Led The United States Of America Throughout The Entire WWII Era.
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These numbers should SHUT UP liberals about the Electoral College once and for all There are 3,141 counties in the United States. Trump won 3,084 of them. Clinton won 57. There are 62 counties in New York State. Trump won 46 of them. Clinton won 16. Clinton won the popular vote by approx. 1.5 million votes. In the 5 counties that encompass NYC, (Bronx, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Richmond & Queens) Clinton received well over 2 million more votes than Trump. (Clinton only won 4 of these counties; Trump won Richmond) Therefore these 5 counties alone, more than accounted for Clinton winning the popular vote of the entire country. These 5 counties comprise 319 square miles. The United States is comprised of 3,797,000 square miles. When you have a country that encompasses almost 4 million square miles of territory, it would be ludicrous to even suggest that the vote of those who inhabit a mere 319 square miles should dictate the outcome of a national election. Large, densely populated Democrat cities (NYC, Chicago, LA, etc) don't and shouldn't speak for the rest of our country. Amen. By Michele Hickford, Editor-in-Chief http://www.allenbwest.com/michele/numbers-shut-liberals-electoral-college Please consult the entire article at the above link for the context _ thanks.
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SurSteven:
Andy_Shofar:
"Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead." ~ Hillary Clinton, Nov. 9, 2016
And, SOME Germans Said The Same Thing About Hitler Remember, That DEMOCRAT President's Roosevelt and Truman Served and Led The United States Of America Throughout The Entire WWII Era.
So you are saying that Hillary was quoting those same Germans about the person of Hitler - when she congratulated Donald Trump as the winner of the election?!
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Sobering thoughts on Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, by Noel Chomsky. It's so difficult to get valid information from mainstream media and all the disinformation on FB and Twitter.
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Andy_Shofar:
SurSteven:
Andy_Shofar:
"Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead." ~ Hillary Clinton, Nov. 9, 2016
And, SOME Germans Said The Same Thing About Hitler Remember, That DEMOCRAT President's Roosevelt and Truman Served and Led The United States Of America Throughout The Entire WWII Era.
So you are saying that Hillary was quoting those same Germans about the person of Hitler - when she congratulated Donald Trump as the winner of the election?!
Why Are Neo-Nazis Now Raising Their Stiff Straight Arms And Saying, "Heil Trump"? People Who I Love Very Much, Fought In WWII With Our Allies, To Help Stop Hitler From Becoming A Biased, Prejudice Nazi Tyrant Dictator. Have You Studied These Subjects Broadly And Deeply?
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I am a veteran, & a number of family members also served in the Armed Forces during WWII & Vietnam. I deeply respect anyone brave enough to have served during any of the wars & loved America and our freedoms enough to do so. I don't take our country's freedom lightly, people fought and even died in battles so that we can enjoy freedom.
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Clinton won 2.4 million votes, over Donald Trump! That is actual votes from people in the United States. That is not even a close vote, that's millions more people who wanted Hillary Clinton to win.
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Insanely Funny Trump Christmas Parody
Donald Trump Was Ignored, Laughed At And Ridiculed By Many... And Then... -
Andy_Shofar:
"Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead." ~ Hillary Clinton, Nov. 9, 2016
That only makes me respect her more. After all of the reprehensible things he said about her over the last 2 years, after praising her before that, it took real class for her to put his bullshit aside for the sake of the country. Would he have done the same thing if he lost? We all know the answer to that because he repeatedly said he wouldn't.
Andy_Shofar:
<size=extra large, super important> These numbers should SHUT UP liberals about the Electoral College once and for all
Why would it? I understand why the Republican Party wants its minions to twist themselves into knots trying to defend the electoral college. That's pretty obvious. But why would anyone else think presidents should be chosen by acreage over votes? Why would anyone else think that people who live in larger cities should have less voice than people who live in rural areas? Outside of the Republican Party, shouldn't my vote count as much as yours even if there isn't as much distance between my neighbors?
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love2travel:
Clinton won 2.4 million votes, over Donald Trump! That is actual votes from people in the United States. That is not even a close vote, that's millions more people who wanted Hillary Clinton to win.
That doesn't matter. The United States is not a democracy. The 2 corporate political parties spend billions of dollars to make sure the people don't get rid of the electoral college. They need it to stay in business. Here's a poorly written, childish and logically impotent article that tries to rationalize why all votes should not be equal:
These numbers should SHUT UP liberals about the Electoral College once and for all Share this with as many whiners as you can. When you have a country that encompasses almost 4 million square miles of territory, it would be ludicrous to even suggest that the vote of those who inhabit a mere 319 square miles should dictate the outcome of a national election. Large, densely populated Democrat cities (NYC, Chicago, LA, etc) don't and shouldn't speak for the rest of our country. Amen. http://www.allenbwest.com/michele/numbers-shut-liberals-electoral-college
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On an equally silly note, maybe they should adopt a system like that for sports games...giving extra points to small states and to rural states also states with less counties. It would makes the games so much fairer! Or they could have weight in's like in some sports, to really even things out.
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However One Voted In The Election, I Am Sure That EVERYONE Should Agree That ALL AMERICANS DESERVE COMPLETELY FAIR ELECTIONS!!!. Based On This...Did Anyone Notice That The Trump Campaign Ads Declaring That Hillary Was Under Investigation Were Still Running On Television For 3 Days After And Through The Election? AFTER, FBI Director Comey exonerated Hillary??? Totally And Completely UnAmerican. Once Again...There Was NO Conservative Rightwing Candidate To Take Votes Away From Trump. In The Interest Of COMPLETE ELECTION FAIRNESS...Leftwing Gary Johnson's & Jill Stein's Votes Should Go To Hillary And The Electoral Votes Should Be Re-examined as well. IF, We Want To Have...AN ABSOLUTELY FAIR AMERICAN ELECTION. We Shall See How Fair The American People Want The Election To Be.
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A though provoking article, that may be of interest to some Trump voters. It is starting to play out now and will become even more obvious as time passes. Thinking this article makes it pretty clear to people how things are unfolding. http://wpo.st/bS9J2
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SurSteven:
However One Voted In The Election, I Am Sure That EVERYONE Should Agree That ALL AMERICANS DESERVE COMPLETELY FAIR ELECTIONS!!!. Based On This...Did Anyone Notice That The Trump Campaign Ads Declaring That Hillary Was Under Investigation Were Still Running On Television For 3 Days After And Through The Election? AFTER, FBI Director Comey exonerated Hillary??? Totally And Completely UnAmerican. Once Again...There Was NO Conservative Rightwing Candidate To Take Votes Away From Trump. In The Interest Of COMPLETE ELECTION FAIRNESS...Leftwing Gary Johnson's & Jill Stein's Votes Should Go To Hillary And The Electoral Votes Should Be Re-examined as well. IF, We Want To Have...AN ABSOLUTELY FAIR AMERICAN ELECTION. We Shall See How Fair The American People Want The Election To Be.
Well, that's not the system we have, so a little thing called the Constitution would get in the way. Personally, I favor instant-runoff (aka ranked-choice) voting, so people could vote for a third party candidate without being a "spoiler," and could still pick a lesser-of-evils second choice if they want. We have that in San Francisco, and it works. As for Gary Johnson being "left-wing," he proposed cutting the federal budget by 43% (i.e. more than ALL discretionary spending), completely eliminating the corporate income tax, using taxpayer money via vouchers to support religious schools, and opposes any federal efforts to combat climate change or promote clean energy. If anyone thinks that's left-wing, I have a bridge to sell you.
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Bruce M.:
SurSteven:
However One Voted In The Election, I Am Sure That EVERYONE Should Agree That ALL AMERICANS DESERVE COMPLETELY FAIR ELECTIONS!!!. Based On This...Did Anyone Notice That The Trump Campaign Ads Declaring That Hillary Was Under Investigation Were Still Running On Television For 3 Days After And Through The Election? AFTER, FBI Director Comey exonerated Hillary??? Totally And Completely UnAmerican. Once Again...There Was NO Conservative Rightwing Candidate To Take Votes Away From Trump. In The Interest Of COMPLETE ELECTION FAIRNESS...Leftwing Gary Johnson's & Jill Stein's Votes Should Go To Hillary And The Electoral Votes Should Be Re-examined as well. IF, We Want To Have...AN ABSOLUTELY FAIR AMERICAN ELECTION. We Shall See How Fair The American People Want The Election To Be.
Well, that's not the system we have, so a little thing called the Constitution would get in the way. Personally, I favor instant-runoff (aka ranked-choice) voting, so people could vote for a third party candidate without being a "spoiler," and could still pick a lesser-of-evils second choice if they want. We have that in San Francisco, and it works. As for Gary Johnson being "left-wing," he proposed cutting the federal budget by 43% (i.e. more than ALL discretionary spending), completely eliminating the corporate income tax, using taxpayer money via vouchers to support religious schools, and opposes any federal efforts to combat climate change or promote clean energy. If anyone thinks that's left-wing, I have a bridge to sell you.
"Lib?er?al. 1.open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values: "they have more liberal views toward marriage and divorce than some people" 2.(of education) concerned mainly with broadening a person's general knowledge" So, Johnson has a more Conservative agenda? Or, is he just confused? His Liberal views are what got him his votes. No, the Constitution does not get in the way concerning anyone pursuing an election recount. It is a 1st Amendment Right... The Right To Petition For A Redress Of Grievances "The right to petition government for redress of grievances is the right to make a complaint to, or seek the assistance of, one's government, without fear of punishment or reprisals." ~ Bill Of Rights As for the bridge you're trying to sell. You wouldn't have it, if you hadn't bought it yourself. Correct?