Flowers In The Dirt a real masterpiece
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I don't think is a masterpiece but is an excellent album. I like all the tracks, really. 'Put It There', 'Distractions' and 'We Got Married' are excellent, and they come all in a row. Gilmour makes an incredible job. 'Figure of eight' fills me with hope and happiness and 'Rough ride' shows the great confidence he had in that time. Curiously, I don't feel big things for 'My brave face'. Is a great song but... I don't know, I never found an explanation.
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It's a pretty good album, and a significant artistic rebound after his mid-'80s slump, but not a great album and not even within shouting distance of being a masterpiece.
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Bruce M.:
It's a pretty good album, and a significant artistic rebound after his mid-'80s slump, but not a great album and not even within shouting distance of being a masterpiece.
I tend to agree. "Masterpiece" is a pretty strong word, not sure any Paul solo LP is a masterpiece. Nor any Lennon or Harrison solo LP either. "Really good album?" Sure.
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"John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band" I would say is a masterpiece. But in a different way than a Beatles album or Sgt Pepper. This is more singer/songwriter than pop. It's so naked and personal and succeeds with it. You know he was sincere when he wrote these songs. You can hear it. It remains unique in its genre I think, it's so sharp, choice of words... it makes it a masterpiece. It's 'all meat and no fat', as Lennon said about it.
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And hey, "Tug of War" is a pop masterpiece.
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Hendrix, they are masterpieces to YOU. But not in the grand scheme of things. Sgt. Pepper's and Abbey Road rank as masterpieces. Maybe Revolver and Rubber Soul. But that's MY opinion!
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"John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band" is a recognized masterpiece, like "Abbey Road", and not just a personal favorite. "Press to Play" is a personal favorite.... but it can turn around, just look at "Ram". Opinions and taste is the most important of course, what you like to listen to, but there are also a canon, music history, and so there must be. Take it or leave it.
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Hendrix Ibsen:
"John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band" is a recognized masterpiece, like "Abbey Road", and not just a personal favorite. "Press to Play" is a personal favorite.... but it can turn around, just look at "Ram". Opinions and taste is the most important of course, what you like to listen to, but there are also a canon, music history, and so there must be. Take it or leave it.
Well, you can take it or leave it as well. A masterpiece, by any definition, is a work that has world wide influence and stands the test of time. Tug of War may very well be a masterpiece within the context of Paul McCartney's solo career (though I don't think it is, and plenty would agree with me), but there is nothing to support it being a masterpiece within the context of pop music in the late 20th century. Did it change the course of music? Influence other musicians to a great extent? The artist himself doesn't even acknowledge the work!
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Influences is not always so easy to identify, Sgt. Pepper is obvious, it came out like a revolution and an instant smash hit, as a counterpoint you have The Velvet Underground & Nico in the long run. It didn't sell many copies when it came out. With pop music I don't think it have to be influential to be a masterpiece - POPULAR music, like Abba, "Dancing Queen", it's a masterpiece of a song and recording but it didn't necessarily change anything. It's such quality craftsmanship. "Tug of War" also, this is mighty pop music, at the highest level of craft. Nor is it so many who have made Beethoven music after Beethoven. It is perhaps no one who manages ... They are magnificent masterpiece that not just anyone can walk in the footsteps of. Being influential is too easy, I think, to explain a masterpiece, lots of crap have been influential, and "ahead of its time".
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Hendrix Ibsen:
Influences is not always so easy to identify, Sgt. Pepper is obvious, it came out like a revolution and an instant smash hit, as a counterpoint you have The Velvet Underground & Nico in the long run. It didn't sell many copies when it came out. With pop music I don't think it have to be influential to be a masterpiece - POPULAR music, like Abba, "Dancing Queen", it's a masterpiece of a song and recording but it didn't necessarily change anything. It's such quality craftsmanship. "Tug of War" also, this is mighty pop music, at the highest level of craft. Nor is it so many who have made Beethoven music after Beethoven. It is perhaps no one who manages ... They are magnificent masterpiece that not just anyone can walk in the footsteps of. Being influential is too easy, I think, to explain a masterpiece, lots of crap have been influential, and "ahead of its time".
By your definition, everything might be a masterpiece, or nothing might be a masterpiece. Got it!
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Possibly, it's not so easy to arrive at something somewehere, you just open new doors... to the world of thoughts. And possibilites. Much will probably fall into place. what is being classics. It's not up to me to decide, it 'just happens'.
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Hendrix Ibsen:
Possibly, it's not so easy to arrive at something somewehere, you just open new doors... to the world of thoughts. And possibilites. Much will probably fall into place. what is being classics.
Yes, and sometimes being there is not the same as getting there. Arriving can be a trial, but should new doors open to thought and time and place, you just need to go through that door. Whatever will be, will be. As far as classics go.
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Yeah, I find it interesting to discuss and think/talk about, I'm interested in music history, past, present and future, I have lots of music books and have read much besides listening to / collecting records. I can't play but I'm still genuinely interested in music, oddly enough maybe, it's just an expense... I will never be nominated for a Grammy... I'm struggling a bit to think in English, but okay...
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Hendrix Ibsen:
Yeah, I find it interesting to discuss and think/talk about, I'm interested in music history, past, present and future, I have lots of music books and have read much besides listening to / collecting records. I can't play but I'm still genuinely interested in music, oddly enough maybe, it's just an expense... I will never be nominated for a Grammy... I'm struggling a bit to think in English, but okay...
You do quite well in English, I think so!