Paul McCartney has officially become an oldies act.
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Hmm. Personally, I've only been a Beatles/Paul fan for five years or so. There's speculation he will tour Australia this year or the next, for the first time in nearly fifteen years. So potentially going to his concert for the first time, I would be absolutely shattered and feel more than a little cheated if he omitted the old warhorses. A fifteen year gap between touring this country means a whole new generation of fans have never been exposed to a live McCartney concert, so they should be catered for. That's my 2 cents.
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enyeh:
Hmm. Personally, I've only been a Beatles/Paul fan for five years or so. There's speculation he will tour Australia this year or the next, for the first time in nearly fifteen years. So potentially going to his concert for the first time, I would be absolutely shattered and feel more than a little cheated if he omitted the old warhorses. A fifteen year gap between touring this country means a whole new generation of fans have never been exposed to a live McCartney concert, so they should be catered for. That's my 2 cents.
That would be understandble for you country if he has not performed there in 15 years. Those of us wanting a substantial change in the setlist are from US where he has toured fairly regularly the last few years. I hope you do get to see him.
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Everything that mikeskapla said...ditto for me.
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Well when left hand man gets taken on as Paul's personal music & set advisor we will all listen to him. Until then .......
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Best post of this thread. This also applies to the other posts that suggest they know more what Paul fans want, than Paul, himself...... Don't like the set list? Don't go.
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See how some people love to twist things out of context, absolutely no one is saying that they know more than McCartney, that's a ridiculous thing to even say!! All we're saying is it's time for McCartney to change his setlist! The man has been performing basically the same setlist for the last two freaking DECADES!! Now I want to address yet again the first time concert goer. It's always going to be someones first time seeing McCartney! Does that mean that we permanently put him in a box, does that mean that this man has to sing the same exact songs year after year, tour after tour, for the rest of his freaking life!! It's not McCartney's fault if some people didn't make it in the last twenty years!! What kind of honest fan would penalize him like that, is that all you expect from someone as brilliant as Paul McCartney? If it is, I find that totally totally sad! Personally I want the greatest entertainer in the world to perform as much of his fantastic music as is humanly possible for him to do!! It's absolutely amazing to me that some people only want to hear from 8 years of his career??
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Well said left hand man. Besides all the newcomers can watch all his live videos.
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left hand man:
See how some people love to twist things out of context, absolutely no one is saying that they know more than McCartney, that's a ridiculous thing to even say!! All we're saying is it's time for McCartney to change his setlist! The man has been performing basically the same setlist for the last two freaking DECADES!! Now I want to address yet again the first time concert goer. It's always going to be someones first time seeing McCartney! Does that mean that we permanently put him in a box, does that mean that this man has to sing the same exact songs year after year, tour after tour, for the rest of his freaking life!! I agree with you totally but I have come to the conclusion that McCartney has just become very complacent. He knows he can tour North America and make millions with 3/4 of the setlist being the same and he will be adored. I don't think he wants to make the effort into rehearsing different songs when he can just trot out the same old stuff. It just surprises me that his band does not nudge him more to change things up so they can play some different music. In the end, it is going to stay the same and I will stay home and save the $100-250 for a ticket. It's not McCartney's fault if some people didn't make it in the last twenty years!! What kind of honest fan would penalize him like that, is that all you expect from someone as brilliant as Paul McCartney? If it is, I find that totally totally sad! Personally I want the greatest entertainer in the world to perform as much of his fantastic music as is humanly possible for him to do!! It's absolutely amazing to me that some people only want to hear from 8 years of his career??
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left hand man:
...does that mean that this man has to sing the same exact songs year after year, tour after tour, for the rest of his freaking life!!
FACT: The setlist for Paul's last major tour (2005) contained 16 songs (44% of the show) that had never been performed on a US tour. That's not "the same exact songs".
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Replacing one Beatles heavy setlist for another, is not really change at all! His core songs are always the same! once again, what about Wings and solo??
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left hand man:
Replacing one Beatles heavy setlist for another, is not really change at all! once again, what about Wings and solo??
Bulletin: "Please Please Me" is not the same song as "Hello Goodbye". "She Came In Through The Bathroom Window" is not the same song as "I Saw Her Standing There". "See how some people love to twist things out of context", indeed...
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No one is twisting anything out of context, I never said those songs were the same, read my post, I said replacing one Beatles heavy setlist for another isn't really change at all. That's the exact samething McCartney has been doing for the last twenty years! How about he really change and balance it all out! Equal on every phase of his career, now that would be change and not just another Beatle heavy setlist!
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left hand man:
No one is twisting anything out of context, I never said those songs were the same, read my post...
No. You said "...does that mean that this man has to sing the same exact songs year after year, tour after tour, for the rest of his freaking life!! " That's just the most recent example. I could go back and look at your other posts and see where you say that he hasn't changed his setlist (he has) on this board and the Hoffman board. You just don't approve of his changes - there's a big difference. You are the MASTER of "twisting out of context". It's a FACT that 44% of the songs on his last US tour hadn't EVER been played on a previous US tour. You don't like that fact, so you try and say that they're the same songs - they aren't. Yes, they're (mostly) Beatle songs, but they're different songs, and it's a different playlist. State your facts accurately, and I won't feel the need to correct you so often...
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I'm guessing anyone that took the effort to sign up on the official Pau McCartney site is a fan to some degree. Each is a fan in their own way with their preferences of certain stages of Paul's prolific career. Preferring one time frame over another doesn't make someone any less of a 'real' or 'true' fan. I agree with the original premise of this thread that adding more variety to the set list would keep things fresh and not relegate so many songs to the 'oldies' bin. I furthermore don't agree with the premise that this would automatically warrant Paul choosing obscure material; one only needs to be aware of all the GREAT songs that have not yet been played live or have not been in many years. I don't have a list in front of me but maybe someone can enlighten everyone how many McCartney number ONE songs have yet to be heard! Or other top hits.
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I'll probably go to any show within reach; it would be more enjoyable for me and many others to hear even more variety though. In case the set list doesntn't get changed much, I wish all new Paul live viewers the same excitement I experienced almost 20 years ago.
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I sort of come in between Eric in Boise & left hand man I agree with Eric in that he does mix up the Beatle part of his set. Actually I said that in one of my previous posts. That's why its strange to me that he doesn't mix up that much his solo set. Doing for example Let Me Roll It over and over again -- and looks like C-Moon and Flaming Pie is headed for round two. That would be like him making In Spite of All the Danger a staple from tour to tour. He doesn't do that with his Beatles material so why is he doing it with the solo? I agree with left handed man in that he does give short shrift to Wings and his solo career and no I don't think concert goers are more inclined to know In Spite of All the Danger over #1 blockbuster songs that Paul eschews in concert like Silly Love Songs, Listen to what the Man Said, With A Little Luck, etc. He's ignoring #1 hits and top tens over his solo career, many of which he has NEVER done in a major tour. Can you imagine him skipping over #1 Beatle songs? He's almost hit every Beatle song he's written in concert, big, small obscure -- heck he's even going to the well for pre Beatle stuff, and going through John songs. The odd thing to me about Paul's concerts is just that you are much more likely to get an obscure Beatle tune that few know over a blockbuster Wings song that most would know. Growing up some with Paul's solo career, I never really thought I'd see the day where I'd more likely expect to hear In Spite of All The Danger and Till there Was You over monster Wings hits. Heck next run of shows It would stun me less to hear a tune like You Know My Name Look Up The Number over With A Little Luck. Heck I bet he starts going through Quarryman material beofre getting to more Wings. Look I love Paul's shows and i like the variety he brings to the Beatle stuff and I agree with Eric, he does mix the Beatles stuff up. He just doesn't mix it up nearly as much with his solo where its always a variation of Amazed, Band on the Run, Jet, Let Me Roll it, My Love, Coming up, Let Em In. With maybe a ONE or TWO song nugget like a Two Many People or Flaming Pie. With the Beatles material you get more than a one or two new song nugget you practically get a feast, I agree with Eric he goes to town on mixing it up aside from keeping the staples. With Beatle Paul, you get a taste of every album big tracks, small tracks. With solo Paul -- you get zero since his 1976 tour from one of his biggest albums Venus & Mars, zip from London Town, zip from Egg. A rare occasion one song off of Ram, one off of Speed of Sound, one off of McCartney and he finally did one off of his grammy nominated Tug of War -- zero off of most 80s and 90s stuff aside from Flaming Pie and doing the album that's released around the time of the tour. Whereas he is hitting almost EVERY track off of every Beatle album. The beatles are great and look if he wants to do more Beatles I agree with everybody that the Beatles are of course bigger than Wings. But no I don't think many believe that obscure Beatle songs are better or in more demand than Wings material or do I think people want to hear the same solo songs over and over again and just want the variety in the Beatles material. As to the post of what big songs haven't been done in a major concert tour off the top of my head you got #1 Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey #1 With A Little Luck Not since 1976 #1 Silly Love Songs #1 Listen to What The man Said Top 10 Good Night Tonight Juniors Farm Helen Wheels Hi Hi Hi Take It Away No More Lonley Nights Spies Like Us
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mikeskapla:
I sort of come in between Eric in Boise & left hand man...
I'm not saying he shouldn't add more solo stuff into his setlist. I just hate to see the facts misrepresented, as lefthandman is prone to do. Your post is right on target, and factually accurate, too!
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eric in boise:
mikeskapla:
I sort of come in between Eric in Boise & left hand man...
I'm not saying he shouldn't add more solo stuff into his setlist. I just hate to see the facts misrepresented, as lefthandman is prone to do. Your post is right on target, and factually accurate, too!
How many McCartney concerts have you been to?
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Eric In Boise, if you feel the need to correct me as you say, have at it, I have no problem with it. That still doesn't change the fact of what I've been saying! Paul McCartney has hit the stage with a Beatle heavy setlist for the last twenty years! Sure he changes some songs, but changing some songs isn't really changing anything when it's the very same formula year after year tour after tour! It's always Beatles, Beatles, Beatles, that's my main point! If you want to highlight the few songs he changes go right ahead, I'm waiting for him to make real changes! As I said, balance it out, give each phase of his career equal time and then I will be the first to say he has really made some changes. That is fact!!
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PHILLIP:
How many McCartney concerts have you been to?
I saw three shows in 89/90 (luckily catching all three significant setlist changes), one in 93, three "driving" & two "back in the us" shows in '02, and one show in '05 for a total of ten.