Remembering Linda
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Kathryn O:
simplyrahil:
Kathryn O:
simplyrahil:
It's too bad that everyone who claims to be affected by/have admiration for the Lovely Linda aren't all affected by her maybe most vibrant, passionate message of (at least) vegetarianism/animal rights.. (otherwise we'd all be at least vegetarian..) Lovely Linda, may your message and example actually affect those who claim to admire and respect you, to effect positive change for the sake of the innocent animals.. Thank you ♪
I've also respected Keith Richards and admired him but never had any interest in heroin. though I will admit to sharing Linda's passion for Pot. She was soooo into that...and I love her for it too.
the point being made was about all those who claim to admire Linda yet fail to be influenced by something uniquely POSITIVE that was at the forefront of her being. not about NEGATIVE things like narcotics, hallucinogens, etc. it's like someone claiming 'oh i love Buddha, He is so great' and then 'let's go eat some beef'. it's contradictory. it goes against the core of what the individual being 'admired, appreciated, respected' stands for, if one claims to be some sort of influenced party of the respected person (in this case Linda). the respected person him/herself would put it to such people or at least most likely be thinking 'well if you love me so much, why do you ignore my statement, my example, my life's work to stop killing and eating animals, when this IS like the core of my being' there is no way one can try to counter a valid point about failing to follow and be influenced by a vital and important stance against animal-murder and consumption with something 'recreational' as 'passion for pot'. seriously.
It's merely opinion on what is positive and negative. I consider Linda's example with certain herbs very positive. as well as her ability to be with Rock Stars. those are the things in her I admire. You're method has been an example on what I ran away from. Not a positive one.
please stop with the excuses. if i am so 'to blame' for your not stopping to eat murdered animals, then what's your excuse for not following Linda? surely i am not the first vegan person in your life that you've come in contact with. even if all of them have 'made you run', what is your cop out for not following Linda's prime example? what good is 'admiring' when one breaks the very principles exemplified by the so-called 'admired' personality? doesn't add up. and there is no 'opinion' about killing animals being evil. one may choose to ignore the fact that it is evil, but that doesn't make the fact any 'opinion'. Linda stood up against this evil very openly, so anyone claiming to admire/love/respect, etc. her, really ought to put her example into practice in their lives as well. not killing and eating animals is surely POSITIVE and not by mere 'opinion'. it is a positive on so many levels, including most importantly to the lives and freedom of the innocent animals. ( and it's "YOUR" not "YOU'RE" you and a couple others who enjoy badtalking/slandering people from this forum keep making that error in all your posts. and it's not merely an error here and there. 99% of your posts have had such a mistake meaning you most likely do not know. YOUR = belonging to YOU'RE = you are when one enjoys slandering others, it's best to be sure one has oneself up to mark in the obvious ways.) oh and please don't go cry to the others now with the usual damsel in distress thing... although i know you will... 'oh rahil told me this and that' and make everyone unnecessarily start the slander, since of course any opposition stated here is something 'personal' for you.
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*sigh* First of all, you are not the first vegan I came across. I was a vegan for 6 years 20 years ago and then took a good long look at them as people. I still eat vegan meals but will never be a vegan again after that epiphany. Your fundamentalism will not influence or impress me. secondly, you are turning this thread into personal attacks again. Thirdly, Linda was an influence in many ways not just with her diet choices.
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Kathryn O:
*sigh* First of all, you are not the first vegan I came across. I was a vegan for 6 years 20 years ago and then took a good long look at them as people. I still eat vegan meals but will never be a vegan again after that epiphany. Your fundamentalism will not influence or impress me.
it's always some excuse about 'fundmentalism' etc. to evade the facts. your old excuse about the other vegans you claim to have met in the past, etc. is really old now. the fact is that every second, every day, innocent animals are being abused and murdered due to people continuing to buy their flesh. Linda stood up against this, so do the math in what my original point was. regardless of what you think of me or anyone else, the real issue remains. and as a human, one has to stop making excuses for contributing to something so detrimental to all involved (the animals, the planet, the environment, humans, etc.). and one who is exposed to Linda's example and life should have no excuse..
Kathryn O:
secondly, you are turning this thread into personal attacks again.
seems like once someone stands up and makes a point that is not supporting you or whatever you attempted to state, it becomes a cry of 'personal attack' and then the 'heroes' will rush in or the badtalk will start on your facebook group (yes, it's no secret, many know about all the slander you all do against many on here). what about THOSE personal attacks? threads of almost 600 posts about me.
Kathryn O:
Thirdly, Linda was an influence in many ways not just with her diet choices.
my point remains that not killing animals and not eating their flesh was perhaps her PRIMARY effort in her attempts to promote something apart from her photography or other interests, and anyone claiming to admire/love/respect, etc. her, really ought to put her example into practice in their lives as well. not killing and eating animals is surely POSITIVE and not by mere 'opinion'. it is a positive on so many levels, including most importantly to the lives and freedom of the innocent animals. that is not merely a 'diet choice'. it's a principled life decision against abuse and slaughter. and btw, even if these posts are somehow moderated, it is no secret what you are engaged in regarding slander and instigating harassment of people including against me. enough people, the right people know all about it. so even if this is 'moderated', enough people know the truth that i am speaking of.
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Vegetarianism is a choice in life, it is neither right nor wrong. My choice to eat mear is neither right nor wrong, it is my personal choice, please respect that. Oh and please for the love of God stop writing in orange!
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cfergoid:
Vegetarianism is a choice in life, it is neither right nor wrong.
oh it is darn a step in the right direction. it is wrong to kill animals, wrong to take innocent lives, wrong to fund it. vegetarianism is a huge step in not supporting these evils, so it is very well quite right.. you speak of 'choice' while the animals are stripped of that 'choice'. how convenient to use the word 'choice' when it is only selfish.
cfergoid:
My choice to eat meat is neither right nor wrong, it is my personal choice, please respect that.
how can something inherently disrespectful as abuse and murder of innocent animals ever be worthy of 'respect'? i don't get it. if one is funding the murder of animals, why should you expect others who see the evil for what it is to 'respect' that? i and others who care, respect life and the right of the animals to live without such threat. why aren't you respecting THAT first of all?
cfergoid:
Oh and please for the love of God stop writing in orange!
you could always change your background. i am sure though that this suddenly discovered 'pain' about my chosen orange font is far less painful than the pain the animals go through due to the mass of people ignoring their plight while continuing to fund their slaughter... don't let the font colour be an excuse now for missing the message though... i've been a forum member here since 2004 and i have been using orange as my font colour ever since. if you have a problem with it, you surely can't expect me to change that for you, when you joined the forum 2 years later. so in short, no.
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cfergoid:
Vegetarianism is a choice in life, it is neither right nor wrong. My choice to eat meat is neither right nor wrong, it is my personal choice, please respect that.
5 Reasons Why Meat-Eating Can't Be Considered A 'Personal Choice' Of all the convoluted rationalizations for eating meat in an age when eating meat is not at all necessary for our survival or health, many people today are borrowing a popular slogan I like to call ?the personal choice self-deception.? It goes something like this: ?My decision to eat meat is a personal choice.? And it is usually followed by a statement sympathetic to their vegan and vegetarian friends, acknowledging that they too are making personal choices that are right for them. Sounds great on the surface, but it?s what lurks beyond the surface that I find deeply disturbing for five key reasons. 1. Eating is a communal, multi-cultural activity until the vegan sits down at the table First, let?s take a closer look at what personal means in the context of the highly social human activity of eating. Personal food choices had never been discussed at the dinner table until a growing number of vegans and vegetarians ? by their very presence at the table ? question the legitimacy of eating animals. A person who tells you that their meat eating is a personal choice is really telling you ?stay away.? They don?t want you to question their highly-coveted moral beliefs or perhaps they object to exposing their unexamined moral quandary over how one can justify using and killing animals for food in an age when it is completely unnecessary. In other words, ?They have made this issue personal precisely in response to you making it a public.? 2. There is no free choice without awareness The irony is that while meat eaters defend their choice to eat meat as a personal one, they will nonetheless go to great lengths to defend it publicly when confronted with a vegan or vegetarian. Like some apologetic white liberals who defend themselves by defiantly exclaiming to a new black acquaintance, ?But I have black friends too!?, some meat eaters will go to great lengths to explain how intimately they understand veganism since they have vegan friends, have already heard and evaluated their reasons for going vegan and respect them dearly. They?ve considered being vegan carefully, they will assure you, and have concluded that it?s just not for them. But instead of arriving at some novel new understanding of why humans should eat meat, they simply revert back to the traditional arguments that are all pretty much centered around what social psychologist Melanie Joy calls the three N?s of justification: eating meat is normal, natural and necessary. But their reasoning reveals the fact that they have sorely overlooked the big idea behind veganism which author Jenny Brown points out so eloquently in her book The Lucky Ones: ?We can become prisoners of our earliest indoctrinations or we can choose to look critically at our assumptions and align our lives with our values. Choosing to live vegan is how we?re able to do that best.? 3. The choice has a victim and the victim is completely ignored Let?s take a look at the issue from the animal victim?s perspective which has been completely denied by the meat eater?s unexamined assumption that animals have no interest or understanding of the value of their individual lives. Does the animal who is being bred, raised and slaughtered for someone?s food care if the person who is eating meat has given the prospect of becoming vegan any serious moral consideration? Of course not. The notion that these conscious meat eaters think they have done their due diligence by examining the pros and cons of eating animals means nothing for those that value their lives as we do. The fact is the animals we raise for meat have at least as much of an interest in staying alive, avoiding pain and suffering and seeking pleasure as these meat eaters? pets. As activist Twyla Francois so aptly puts it: ?All animals have the same capacity for suffering, but how we see them differs and that determines what we?ll tolerate happening to them. In the western world, we feel it wrong to torture and eat cats and dogs, but perfectly acceptable to do the same to animals equally as sentient and capable of suffering. No being who prides himself on rationality can continue to support such behaviour.? 4. Many personal choices we make have dire consequence for ourselves and others Now let?s take a closer look at the meaning of choice itself. The act of making a choice implies that the actor has free will and awareness of the options and their consequences. In the spirit of justice, we live in a society where our actions and choices are governed by what society deems acceptable. We can make a personal choice to maim, rape or kill someone, but these actions will have consequences that serve as a deterrent. It is generally accepted in a democratic society that we are free to do what we want as long as it doesn?t harm anyone else or infringe on the same rights and freedoms of others. Yet, for the meat eater, the choice of eating animals is completely disconnected from this concept of justice since justice does NOT for them apply to other species, only to humans (how convenient). In other words, there are no visible, negative consequences to eating meat. The victims remain invisible and silent to those who eat them, and that is perhaps the greatest deception of all. 5. Atrocities are never personal In reality, the choice to eat meat negates the very meaning of choice because the animal that had to be killed to procure the meat had no choice in the matter at all. And the notion of characterizing such a choice as a personal one is even more problematic since the choice required the taking of another?s life, not a personal sacrifice. Nothing could be more public than the taking of a sentient life that cares about his own life, particularly when the act is not necessary and therefore not morally defensible. When 60 billion land animals and another approximate 60 billion marine animals are killed every year across the planet for ?personal? food choices made by a single species that are based on palate pleasure alone, eating meat ceases to be a matter of personal choice; it becomes a social justice movement to protect the rights of animals. To deny animals the right to live their lives according to their own interests is wrong and to attempt to defend our choice to eat them as a personal one is delusional.
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Mod Post Hi Guys..... Whilst Linda would undoubtedly be delighted at this debate about the various aspects of being vegetarian, please remember this topic is called "Remembering Linda" and has always been a loving place to post fond recollections and stories about this lovely woman so pivotal to many of our lives. This detailed discussion about just one of her specific interests might be better placed in our Cosmically Concious forum here: http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=23 Where indeed I see many of these members are chatting already on these topics. Perhaps someone might bring this topic back to our dearly missed Linda with a few apposite pictures or YouTube clips? Any assistance would be welcomed. Thanks Martin
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femaleanimal:
kapoo:
To Linda's credit she didn't slam her views down people's throats.
Yes she did. And good for her.
Did she?
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I think we all know I still like Linda and if I was a vegetarian I'd probably love her even more! The whole animal thing, of course I am against the abuse of animals and its a real shame the industry has gotten to where it is.. but I buy farm raised, organic stuff, granted through my wife's influence mainly, but I feel like I'm doing my part.
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Kathryn O:
Scovie:
maclover2013:
I love this thread in rememberance of such a lovely lady Linda. I am going to just go off on a limb and say this. that i dont care how many times that Paul get married, i believe that Linda would always be his true and only love ( at least in his heart). Linda i believe was truly his soul mate. Is as the saying goes that you never forget your first love.
I agree with you... What they had was truly special
Linda and Paul were very special. (and to think John gave them a few years at most) but she was hardly Paul's first love.
well maybe not his first love par say, but just his first committed monogamous love.
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Moderator post This thread has received further moderation; several posts have been removed after Martin's moderator post. We ask all members involved to please stop any bickering and personal attacks. Thank you
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In Linda's own words:
Linda -
I was diagnosis at the same time I heard Linda was. When she died a few years later, I remember a chill. I felt if someone with so much wealth and someone who ate so well couldn't beat it, how could I. I guess I had a angel on my shoulder. I am grateful for the extra time I've had to be with my kids who were very young when I was diagnosis but I am fully aware that angels have wings. Ladies if they find a lump. Demand a needle biopsy. If it cancer have a mastectomy. There no do overs. . I just have to say this. And thank Angelina Jolie for her bravery and to remove the sigma. I only wish she were around when I was being told lumpy breast were normal in woman my age.
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appletart2:
I was diagnosis at the same time I heard Linda was. When she died a few years later, I remember a chill. I felt if someone with so much wealth and someone who ate so well couldn't beat it, how could I. I guess I had a angel on my shoulder. I am grateful for the extra time I've had to be with my kids who were very young when I was diagnosis but I am fully aware that angels have wings. Ladies if they find a lump. Demand a needle biopsy. If it cancer have a mastectomy. There no do overs. . I just have to say this. And thank Angelina Jolie for her bravery and to remove the sigma. I only wish she were around when I was being told lumpy breast were normal in woman my age.
Did you hear what Melissa Etheridge said about Angelina? I guess there are differing views. Melissa Etheridge: Angelina Jolie's mastectomy decision was "fearful," not "brave" http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-207_162-57589777/melissa-etheridge-angelina-jolies-mastectomy-decision-was-fearful-not-brave/
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martinput:
Mod Post Perhaps someone might bring this topic back to our dearly missed Linda with a few apposite pictures or YouTube clips? Any assistance would be welcome. Thanks Martin
from the lady herself..
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http://www.macca-central.com/macca-archives/ok-magazine/index.htm Linda McCartney Here Comes The Sun In her first interview since the start of her successful battle with breast cancer, Linda McCartney talks about 30 wonderful years of marriage to Paul, her hopes for their children, her love of animals, and her plans for a bright future ... "Marriages are notoriously short-lived affairs in the fickle world of showbusiness - which is why Paul and Linda McCartney are such an exceptional couple. After nearly 30 years of marriage and Linda's successful two-year battle with breast cancer, their love is stronger than ever, as our exclusive pictures show. Linda, who's sitting barefoot in the attic room of their Sussex farmhouse home, is constantly surprised by the joy Paul brings to her life. 'I know we're coming up to our 30th wedding anniversary next year, but some days it feels like we've just got together. And I love that. I love it when there's a power cut, no light, no heat and I'm having to cook over an open fire while Paul serenades me on his guitar. I love that simple life. 'Now that the kids have flown the nest, it's meant that Paul and I have become like boyfriend and girlfriend again, doing those little things together that you do when you're first dating ... going to the theatre or just walking hand in hand through the fields. How many married couples of 30 years' standing do you know who wander about holding hands? In some ways, we haven't grown up. I guess it must be love!' Linda says their relationship has always been like that. 'When Paul was knighted, he said it was great because it meant he got to make his girlfriend a lady. But nobody calls me Lady Linda or Lady McCartney. I'm still just Linda and he's Paul. Sure, it's a real honour for Paul and I'm proud of him, but it doesn't seem real that my boyfriend's a knight - although he's always been a hero.' The depth of the couple's love became obvious last year with the release of Paul's album Flaming Pie. Although he has long written love songs inspired by Linda (My Love, No More Lonely Nights and Maybe I'm Amazed, to name but a few), the solo album contained two of the most heartfelt and moving ballads he'd ever written, Some Days and Calico Skies. Besides earning him some of the best reviews of his career, Flaming Pie also gave Paul the opportunity to record with his guitarist son James for the very first time. Like all the McCartney children, 20-year-old James is keen to make his own way in the world. 'We're very proud of the way in which all our kids want to do their own thing,' says Linda. 'James is studying architecture now, but neither Paul nor I would be surprised if he moves into music, as he has such a passion for playing.' 'Stella [who's 26] is doing great as a designer, and I love her clothes. We went to her first Chloe show in Paris, and I was just so proud of her and the reaction she got.' Heather, Linda's 34-year-old daughter from her first marriage to geophysicist Melvin See [the couple married when Linda was 18, right after her mother died in a plane crash], is a potter who's exhibited in New York and London, while Mary McCartney, 28, has inherited her mother's talent with a camera. 'I'm rather complimented that Mary has caught my passion for photography,' says Linda. 'She's been working for various magazines, and one of her photos has been hung in the National Portrait Gallery.' As everybody knows, the McCartneys are an exceptionally close family. When the children were young, Paul and Linda took them on tour around the world, preferring to keep the family together. And now, even though they are all grown up, the young "Macs" still return to the family home as often as possible.& 'We're enjoying life a lot but then we always have,' says Linda. 'I've always said that life is to be lived. I know that a lot of people say that, but I mean it. And I have always meant it. So, yeah, we enjoy ourselves, but as for taking life easy ... no, I'm probably busier than I've ever been.' And busy she is. In April, Linda's famous range of vegetarian foods will be launching a new product: soya-based, yoghurt-style frozen desserts - 'yogas'. 'I'm making food for all tastebuds, and my intention is to develop meat-free versions of every food we currently get from animals. Going veggie is no longer the preserve of the professional woman in her Saab who shops at Sainsbury's,' says Linda. 'When I started out, my aim was to try and convert the truck driver. Some people thought I was crazy, but I stuck at it. I even went up to a big truck stop near Liverpool and cooked veggie burgers for these guys.' With spirited approaches like this, Linda McCartney has turned the British diet on its head during the past seven years, with her campaigning, her cookbooks and her ready-made meals. 'All my life I have cared for animals,' says Linda, the daughter of an American showbusiness lawyer. 'As a little girl I was forever filling the house with injured squirrels or birds that needed nursing. And sure, I got angry and upset over the way that we have abused animals, but I have always condemned those groups who have resorted to violence in the name of animal rights. I have never, and will never, support the use of violence in the name of the animals. That just brings our cause into disrepute. 'I know that some people believe I support such groups - there was even a rumour that I funded hunt saboteurs out of my own pocket. That rumour wasn't true and whatever people may suspect, I still believe in that hippy thing of wanting peace, not war. There is a food revolution going on, but it's a gentle revolution.& 'Soon after I launched my range, somebody tried to stitch me up by slipping a meat pie into a batch of my meat-free pies. That made front-page news everywhere, and people thought it was a cock-up on our part, that we hadn't got our act together. But it wasn't a cock-up. Somebody, who has since been fired, deliberately tried to sabotage my food in an attempt to create bad publicity. But it didn't work.' Linda began predicting the current food revolution back in 1989 when Home Cooking, the first collection of her recipes, became the world's best-selling vegetarian cookery book. Now, with an estimated 5,000 Brits going vegetarian each week, her revolution shows no sign of slowing down. There have been setbacks of course - the biggest being Linda's long battle against breast cancer, which took her out of action for 18 months as she recuperated. But even then, she didn't stay idle and set about planning the next stage of her plan to change the way we eat. Having persuaded Britain to eat meat-free, she decided the next move was for 'going veggie to go global'. With her 38 million pound-a-year food business now established here, Linda is upping the stakes, expanding her UK range from six to 40 products and moving into six more countries by the end of the year. She's also writing her fifth cookbook, which is due to be published in September. By developing her food line in Germany, Holland, Sweden, Norway, Finland and Denmark, Linda is set to treble or even quadruple her annual turnover, to between 110 and 150 million pounds. And, if she takes up offers to create meat-free meals for Japan, Australia and the USA, Linda could even wind up being a bigger money-spinner than The Beatles' albums sales! Whatever money she has already made from her booming business, Linda spends both wisely and generously. Wisely, she has reinvested profits in her business. 'What I've quietly done over the past couple of years is to take the profit from the food and put it back into the development of new dishes,' she explains. As for her generosity, Linda has more than once gone all out to save animal lives. In 1995, she paid 3,000 pounds at a pre-Christmas auction to save a champion 28lb turkey from being slaughtered, stuffed and roasted. A few weeks later, nine-year-old Christian Pierce from Lincolnshire was inspired to spend 6 pounds of his pocket money to follow suit and save two turkeys from the Christmas dinner table. Linda said: 'Now that's what matters to me. It warms my heart to think I've influenced a nine-year-old boy to do that.'& Just last year, she paid 15,000 pounds to rescue 60 beagles destined for cosmetic industry experiments in Spain. 'You do what you can and I'm lucky that I can,' she says humbly. 'But saving animals is nothing new to me or to Paul. We've got a couple of cows on our farm that we rescued as calves - they were born while their mother was en route to the slaughterhouse. If we hadn't stepped in, they would have gone from birth to death with literally no life in between. 'We've also got a fine young bull, Ferdinand, who did a runner from a farmer who was taking him to market. The bull broke free and, lucky for him, he just happened to run into Paul, who was driving to his recording studio. Talk about lucky escapes!' Linda was much in the minds of Fleet Street editors recently with the widely-publicised escape of 'The Tamworth Two'. The pair of runaway pigs from Wiltshire dominated the headlines for a week as newspapers scrambled to raise the money to buy them after the farmer who owned them put a price on their heads of 15,000 pounds. Several papers called Linda to ask if she'd stump up the money, but she was persuaded by her team not to become embroiled in a newspaper circulation war. 'Actually, I'm aiming to save the bacon of a lot of pigs right now,' says Linda. ' Suddenly, the conversation stops. A robin has settled on the windowsill outside. In one movement, Linda has grabbed her Nikon, focused and snapped it. 'I'm still a photographer,' explains the woman who started as a photojournalist almost 30 years ago by snapping her husband's then-rivals The Rolling Stones for Town and Country. 'In the years since I first met Paul, I've had all sorts of labels stuck on me. Now the new label is "businesswoman". Sure, I have this business. But what I am, what I am in myself, is a photographer.' Thoughout her long but ultimately triumphant recovery from breast cancer, Linda continued taking photographs, and her pictures provided all the artwork, publicity and promotional shots for Paul's last two albums, Flaming Pie and Standing Stone. In addition, she mounted two large exhibitions of her work at the prestigious ICP in New York and the National Museum of Photography in Bradford, Yorkshire. Linda also took off to a 13th-century Cistercian Abbey at Romont, Switzerland, where she and her friend, the stained-glass window artist Brian Clarke, mounted a dual exhibition of Linda's photographs, stunningly transformed into beautiful stained-glass windows. 'This is my new passion,' she says, pointing to Clarke's unique windows containing her stunning portraits of artists Willem de Kooning and the controversial Gilbert and George. 'All photography is essentially about light and I love the way light works through this form.' An exhibition of Linda's work in stained glass is heading for London, with the dates to be fixed for just as soon as she has completed two other urgent projects - her latest, internationally-themed vegetarian cookbook, and Wide Prairie, a surreal short animated film that she has made with the animator Oscar Grillo, and which is set to a song that she wrote and recorded herself. 'Yeah,' says Linda McCartney, smiling broadly. 'I'm back.' " OK Magazine March 6, 1998 Issue #100 Typed from orginal article in OK Magazine by Debbie Wakeford
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oobu24:
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OMG, are those LEATHER jackets I see?
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maybe plether?
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wow. I really enjoyed that article Rahil posted above. ^^^ I did not know Linda did stained glass windows? I must look this up! Thanks!