Angreee!
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wingsdgm:
audi:
Even Paul McCartney has acknowledged that Wild Life is a bad album. It's not good, folks. Don't get defensive about. Even the man himself said (referring to Wild Life "You didn't finish the bloody thing."
McCartney's not crazy about Press To Play either ..or London Town
He was not fond of Venus and Mars either.
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Hendrix Ibsen:
"London Town" is my favorite Wings album and top 5 McCartney. It's a masterpiece on my stereo.
I love London Town!
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moptops:
Nancy R:
I love the song Tomorrow though!
Me too! (Pity Linda's "backing vocals" are way too up front).
. Some people really like that Linda's vocals are up front!
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While I agree with Audi that Wild Life is a pretty wretched album, I actually enjoy and listen to it more than P2P. It has at least one genuinely good track, Tomorrow, and 2 honorable and enjoyable near-misses, Dear Friend and Some People Never Know. My problem with P2P is not the production, it's that the songs pretty consistently range from boring to fingernails-on-a-blackboard.
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Boring can be good. I usually listen to Leonard Cohen when I need to calm down. It's so much noise in the world and just to sit and listen to someone who speak so gentle and quiet about life that it feels like meditation is nice.
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love2travel:
moptops:
Nancy R:
I love the song Tomorrow though!
Me too! (Pity Linda's "backing vocals" are way too up front).
. Some people really like that Linda's vocals are up front!
LOVE that one!
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wingsdgm:
Well said ...I get tried of people here and on the web who DON'T agree with others views and have to pound their points home...so what it's only music , get over yourself...I always had someone in my life who didnt like McCartney , I DID'NT CARE...he's STILL GOD TO ME ..there's been stuff of his I haven't like either but have gone back and gave it another listen ...there's always SOMETHING great in his music ..
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Oh well, we will just have to agree to disagree. I love Wild Life too. One of the things I like about Wings and McCartney is the eclecticism. I'd say that's a plus point rather than a minus.
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Yeah I love "Wild Life" also. And by that I mean not that I think it is the most important enormous musical piece of Wagnerian hugeness ever. Only that among hundreds of thousands of records, it's an album I've had fun listening to.
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So McCartney, Ram, Wildlife all largely dissed at the time, are now groundbreaking, ahead of their time classics. If Pipes Of Peace gets a nice cuddly warm glowing Next thing he'll be hailed as the king of punk, for laying down Boil Crisis. It's gonna be interesting when Driving Rain is lauded as a masterpiece in 40 years time! Paul must be chuffed to know that ordinary material or worse, in some cases, piles of dross he's recorded in the past are held in such high revisionist esteem these days. Personally I think it's the case because most contemporary pop/rock music is crud. So in comparison, even Paul's lesser stuff shines!
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Don't forget that he re-INVENTED JAZZ with "Kisses on the Bottom".
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audi:
People scoff at PTP's heavy-keyboard, sequenced production; yet they still love Genesis' "Tonight Tonight Tonight," which is STILL a soft-rock radio staple.
It's not about the production. It's trendy to dump on Press To Play but not on Invisible Touch. Ironically, it's even more trendy to dump on Phil Collins.
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moptops:
Drum sound is pox. Sterile sounding guitars. Horrid keys. Clinical sounding vocals...and Phil Collins was in the vicinity of the studio. Not even Townshend could save it. Stranglehold, Angry and Footprints are the only decent songs. An honourable mention of Move Over Busker, which I always liked although it plods and goes nowhere...Nell Gwynne and her oranges and Errol Flynn in a tiger skin, Mae West in a sweaty vest...gotta love those. Sounds like the entire album was recorded in a germ free operating theatre and engineered by surgeons. Sadly this album flatlined...
Thank you. While I disagree completely, it's nice to see someone answer the question.
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moptops:
Wyrdskein:
Here we go again - people saying the production of P2P is bad, but can anyone actually say 'why' they don't like it? Or are they just repeating what others have said? Maybe someone should set up a vote: P2P - Love It/It's OK/Don't like it. It's strange how this album divides though. I can understand why some don't like Pipes of Peace or McCartney II (even though I love them), but not P2P.
Drum sound is pox. Sterile sounding guitars. Horrid keys. Clinical sounding vocals...and Phil Collins was in the vicinity of the studio. Not even Townshend could save it. Stranglehold, Angry and Footprints are the only decent songs. An honourable mention of Move Over Busker, which I always liked although it plods and goes nowhere...Nell Gwynne and her oranges and Errol Flynn in a tiger skin, Mae West in a sweaty vest...gotta love those. Sounds like the entire album was recorded in a germ free operating theatre and engineered by surgeons. Sadly this album flatlined...
I am an O.R. nurse so this cracked me up!
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HaileyMcComet:
moptops:
Drum sound is pox. Sterile sounding guitars. Horrid keys. Clinical sounding vocals...and Phil Collins was in the vicinity of the studio. Not even Townshend could save it. Stranglehold, Angry and Footprints are the only decent songs. An honourable mention of Move Over Busker, which I always liked although it plods and goes nowhere...Nell Gwynne and her oranges and Errol Flynn in a tiger skin, Mae West in a sweaty vest...gotta love those. Sounds like the entire album was recorded in a germ free operating theatre and engineered by surgeons. Sadly this album flatlined...
Thank you. While I disagree completely, it's nice to see someone answer the question.
It is, but I have to disagree too. Every track is amazing to my ears. Obviously this album is an acquired taste. Off the Ground appears to get similar stick, and that's one of my favourites too.
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Hendrix Ibsen:
"Angraaay!" would have sounded a bit more Johnny Rotten, wouldn't it. Punk music. I remember I once read a reivew where the reviewer said that "Angry" sounded like McCartney having fun being angry. And I kind of related to that in my experience of the song. I still love the track. Perhaps it was something he needed to get out of the sytem. In a way, I think maybe "Riding to Vanity Fair" is the angriest song her ever made. Although it is more menacing than aggressive. "Nothing Too Much Just Out of Sight" is wild but perhaps more in a letting loose kind of way than Angry.
I've always wondered who might be the inspiration for "Riding to Vanity Fair." Can anybody here shed any light on that? Chaos & Creation is one of my favorite McCartney albums. Thanks!
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I've read some people who think it is his ex-wife Heather. There is an interview with McCartney where he speak about the song and he say that it's not about anyone specific, only the kind of people that when you try to be their friend and they don't want to know. My guess could also be his son James. I don't think they were completely in tune at the time when the song and Chaos and Creation was made. Not that it is necessarily meant for him, it's a song... but one of the ingredients that inspired it. I don't know... I know it's a great song. A great performance.
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moptops:
So McCartney, Ram, Wildlife all largely dissed at the time, are now groundbreaking, ahead of their time classics. If Pipes Of Peace gets a nice cuddly warm glowing Next thing he'll be hailed as the king of punk, for laying down Boil Crisis. It's gonna be interesting when Driving Rain is lauded as a masterpiece in 40 years time! Paul must be chuffed to know that ordinary material or worse, in some cases, piles of dross he's recorded in the past are held in such high revisionist esteem these days. Personally I think it's the case because most contemporary pop/rock music is crud. So in comparison, even Paul's lesser stuff shines!
Never fear, some of us still dislike Ram and Wild Life!
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HaileyMcComet:
audi:
People scoff at PTP's heavy-keyboard, sequenced production; yet they still love Genesis' "Tonight Tonight Tonight," which is STILL a soft-rock radio staple.
It's not about the production. It's trendy to dump on Press To Play but not on Invisible Touch. Ironically, it's even more trendy to dump on Phil Collins.
Good points.
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audi:
HaileyMcComet:
audi:
People scoff at PTP's heavy-keyboard, sequenced production; yet they still love Genesis' "Tonight Tonight Tonight," which is STILL a soft-rock radio staple.
It's not about the production. It's trendy to dump on Press To Play but not on Invisible Touch. Ironically, it's even more trendy to dump on Phil Collins.
Good points.
I recently saw an interview with a new popular singer who cited Phil Collins as a favorite. It made me wonder if the trendy dumping of him is over. It's a new "countercultural" generation who say that he is great because all the "oldies" say he sucks.