poor effort
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what i didnt like was the fact that the day after, everone went home and in the spirit of a teenage party, no one wanted to clean up.. it was over, and that was it. it was like, we used yr parents house, we trashed it, now wr all going home. the political bull was dead in the water, no one got out of bed to talk about it and the whole thing to me, was just a farce.
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i didnt like bono doing sgt pepper, it seemed energyless. poor effort indeed.
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MannyFandango:
i didnt like bono doing sgt pepper, it seemed energyless. poor effort indeed.
Kind of off-topic here ... so excuse my interruption of the bitch fest
... saw the closing show that U2 did in the states at the Rose Garden and they did a really raucous version of "Instant Karma" ... where the whole place basically "lite up," even the Russians next to me ended up joining in on that one (they ... the Russians ... were pretty reserved for most of the show otherwise). 
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clipper:
what i didnt like was the fact that the day after, everone went home and in the spirit of a teenage party, no one wanted to clean up.. it was over, and that was it. it was like, we used yr parents house, we trashed it, now wr all going home. the political bull was dead in the water, no one got out of bed to talk about it and the whole thing to me, was just a farce.
I thought the same thing, clipper. I saw everyone walking away and all the trash left all over the place and thought it said a lot and shows how far we have to go. Personally, I teach my son that we clean up after ourselves, and sometimes other people's stuff, too, just because. Doesn't take much to pick up your own trash and carry it over to the trash barrels. Doesn't take much to feed one other person, help one other family in need. We can't all reach the masses like Paul and Bono do, and I applaud their sincere concern and using their gifts and celebrity to raise awareness and attempt to do good in the world. We also can contribute, one person at a time on a one-to-one basis. Millions of individuals helping one, two, three people at a time makes a big difference, too.
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In essence I do agree with what Tori is saying here about the one person-at-a-time doing something (anything) being better than basically doing very little (if anything). In fact if you think about it, this would be far more effective than one person carrying the whole thing (or enough of the whole thing for a whole bunch of slackers to continue being able to enjoy the opportunity to just continue to slack). However about the clean-up issue ... there were some mixed signals going on that night with respect to this. The crowds were being told to head home early at one point (prior to the last performance) due to concerns about congestion upon the area around Hyde Park ... and they weren't being told to clean up with as much vigor as they were being urged to leave. So to some extent it would seem that the organizers kind of dropped the "sanitary" ball insomuch as that's concerned. Kind of like not having an "exit plan" is becoming a really nasty trend (i.e. habit) or something. I think ultimately most people would prefer to do the "right" thing (so to speak), but often times these days that gets a little clouded over by the fact that there's just so many and the ceiling seems to be getting lower. ... figured I'd add that to the TV audience that might be too easy of a shot to take at those people that were actually in attendance, but if you think that most of 'em had been there for quite some time and in some areas they were packed pretty tightly together. I'd figure that they must of been really exhausted at the tail-end of the event (i.e. "spent") ... while the respective performers were only up on stage for however long their respective set lasted, whereas the crowds were there for the long haul and without a buffet in the back. I'd give 'em a break on that note ... just lessons along the way.
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I think it says a lot. Actions speak louder than words. No one would have had to prompt them to clean up after themselves, they'd just do it. Being there all day people had to either bring their or buy food and drink, right? Being there all day people use the lavatory at times, right? So they could take their trash and throw it away on the way to the port-a-potty each time. Again as they leave. Instead it spoke volumes. Imagine if, after the concert, instead of the usual field strewn with trash that looked like the aftermath of a tornado, there was instead very little cleanup except for the mounds piled around the trash bins. No criticism of the Live 8 concert, just my personal observation of human nature and my personal opinion of how far we have to go to make real changes.
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I agree with you totally, Tori, and thanks for your concerns. These issues need to be brought up months in advance with the organizers of events such as these. Who are the organizers? If they were publicized here, I'm betting quite a few of us would voice our opinions about event planning which includes encouraging the public to keep the venue clean. I believe the public simply expects that their ticket price includes payment for the organizers to clean up - also, the public gets pretty wasted. I've worked the alcohol stands at OZFEST in Southern California and believe me, they are the most popular place in the venue. People get so wasted that they leave far more money than their tab requires and they simply stumble off. And there is no stopping the major alcohol companies from having their place and making their money at these events. You'd be starting World War III. The only reason I worked such a stand was because I was with a group earning money for our fundraiser. Most of the people working the stands represent such groups who are fundraising for good causes. But it did seem a negative way to fundraise, by exploiting those who, after their first few drinks (and whatever else they were doing), could not exercise good judgment. patti
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Well maybe if the organizers had planned a "clean up" day in the wake of the event, and got folks primed for that -- as well as the "actual" show -- we wouldn't be having this conversation. You know a 'national litter removal day' or something
. Like I said, the whole "no exit plan" business is becoming far to common these days. Would have sent a good strong message to the G8 members if the event included something in that vein, I mean that the "public" is fully aware that some things require more than just "one day" to fix. Think something like the British "after holiday" trip with 'Boxing Day' following 'Christmas' ... that's always kind of amused me, but at the same time kind of impresses me (things that make you go "hmmmmm"). -
Kind of "off topic" (or is it??) ... but I always loved the way "Rocky and Bullwinkle" (the cartoon) ended when I was a kid. At the tail end of the show, while the credits were running, they always had this little circus thing happening ... and the final scene was the elephants being followed by the clean-up crew. Thought I'd throw in a little zanny levity ... just for the heck of it.
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