The ..2012.... Political thread
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the right wingers on here are tying logic and truth in knots trying to defend their hate speaking leaders. Well, for one Palin is done..I'm sure we'll still hear from her and she will appear as speaker at gun shows as she will be doing later this month but politically she is done.
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im sorry but in any country you are going to have completely insane idiots prepared to do unthinkable things to politicians e.t.c. the reality is that these kind of people can aquire easy access to weapons that can kill and slaughter with ease in your country. there will always be monsters and idiots who will do this sort of thing.'america' HAS to make it harder for them to get guns
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lazydynamite88:
im sorry but in any country you are going to have completely insane idiots prepared to do unthinkable things to politicians e.t.c. the reality is that these kind of people can aquire easy access to weapons that can kill and slaughter with ease in your country. there will always be monsters and idiots who will do this sort of thing.'america' HAS to make it harder for them to get guns
Gloria Stivic: Do you know that sixty percent of all deaths in America are caused by guns? Archie Bunker: Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if they was pushed out of windows? Point being: In order to eliminate Murder, not only guns, but knives, clubs, glass bottles, fire extinguishers, shovels, axes, mauls ... hell, even hands would have to be outlawed. And I have a feeling folks would still find a way to get the job done.
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Altanon:
lazydynamite88:
im sorry but in any country you are going to have completely insane idiots prepared to do unthinkable things to politicians e.t.c. the reality is that these kind of people can aquire easy access to weapons that can kill and slaughter with ease in your country. there will always be monsters and idiots who will do this sort of thing.'america' HAS to make it harder for them to get guns
Gloria Stivic: Do you know that sixty percent of all deaths in America are caused by guns? Archie Bunker: Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if they was pushed out of windows? Point being: In order to eliminate Murder, not only guns, but knives, clubs, glass bottles, fire extinguishers, shovels, axes, mauls ... hell, even hands would have to be outlawed. And I have a feeling folks would still find a way to get the job done.
you still dont get it. if guns were hard to get or banned,it wouldn't put an end to senseless murder IT WOULD HOWEVER MAKE IT ALOT HARDER.!!!
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There are 300 miliion Americans. And about 260 million guns. Staggering.
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Altanon:
lazydynamite88:
im sorry but in any country you are going to have completely insane idiots prepared to do unthinkable things to politicians e.t.c. the reality is that these kind of people can aquire easy access to weapons that can kill and slaughter with ease in your country. there will always be monsters and idiots who will do this sort of thing.'america' HAS to make it harder for them to get guns
Gloria Stivic: Do you know that sixty percent of all deaths in America are caused by guns? Archie Bunker: Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if they was pushed out of windows? Point being: In order to eliminate Murder, not only guns, but knives, clubs, glass bottles, fire extinguishers, shovels, axes, mauls ... hell, even hands would have to be outlawed. And I have a feeling folks would still find a way to get the job done.
That's probably more true than not. Ireland has a massive problem with knife-related crime.
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audi:
Altanon:
lazydynamite88:
im sorry but in any country you are going to have completely insane idiots prepared to do unthinkable things to politicians e.t.c. the reality is that these kind of people can aquire easy access to weapons that can kill and slaughter with ease in your country. there will always be monsters and idiots who will do this sort of thing.'america' HAS to make it harder for them to get guns
Gloria Stivic: Do you know that sixty percent of all deaths in America are caused by guns? Archie Bunker: Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if they was pushed out of windows? Point being: In order to eliminate Murder, not only guns, but knives, clubs, glass bottles, fire extinguishers, shovels, axes, mauls ... hell, even hands would have to be outlawed. And I have a feeling folks would still find a way to get the job done.
That's probably more true than not. Ireland has a massive problem with knife-related crime.
im sorry 'audi' but that just means ireland would have an even bigger problem if guns were sold in the shops openly.
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My Grandma (born in 1880) and I were watching an old Western film when I was a little kid. I asked her if she saw a lot of gunfights and shootouts when she was a little girl, (kids say the damnest things, right?) She told me that even the real bad men thought twice before they pulled their pistols. I asked why. She told me that, since about half the men were armed, if the bad men had pulled their guns, some old farmer with an old Civil War pistol across the street, or some bartender with a shotgun, or some school marm with a little derringer would have stopped them before they "...got up to any mischief." (Grandma's words.) Given that the Dope Dealers, and Gang Members, and Bank Robbers DON'T buy their guns through Legal Channels, simply passing yet another Gun Law is not going to restrict the Illegal supply of Guns. All it will do is make it more difficult for LAW ABIDING CITIZENS to obtain a Gun. So, when some maniac with a Gun (that he DIDN'T buy at Ron's Sporting Goods) is breaking into your house, your only recourse will be to call 911. Given that the AVERAGE response time is around twenty minutes, the Cops should get there in time to bag you while you're still warm. And when some nut with Illegal guns decides to go on a rampage, he knows he can tally-up a huge body count before anybody else with a Gun (presumably the Cops) shows up to stop him. It's like the old saying goes: "When they outlaw Guns, only Outlaws will have Guns."
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lazydynamite88:
im sorry but in any country you are going to have completely insane idiots prepared to do unthinkable things to politicians e.t.c. the reality is that these kind of people can aquire easy access to weapons that can kill and slaughter with ease in your country. there will always be monsters and idiots who will do this sort of thing.'america' HAS to make it harder for them to get guns
I agree with you that guns should be harder to get in the US especially for the mentally ill. It is difficult because many right wingers here feel that it is their right to be armed to the teeth that is why our gun laws are so lax...though now they are on the wrong side of this issue politically so maybe something can be done.
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Altanon:
lazydynamite88:
im sorry but in any country you are going to have completely insane idiots prepared to do unthinkable things to politicians e.t.c. the reality is that these kind of people can aquire easy access to weapons that can kill and slaughter with ease in your country. there will always be monsters and idiots who will do this sort of thing.'america' HAS to make it harder for them to get guns
Gloria Stivic: Do you know that sixty percent of all deaths in America are caused by guns? Archie Bunker: Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if they was pushed out of windows? Point being: In order to eliminate Murder, not only guns, but knives, clubs, glass bottles, fire extinguishers, shovels, axes, mauls ... hell, even hands would have to be outlawed. And I have a feeling folks would still find a way to get the job done.
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Gun control has been tossed around for years. Micheal Moore got them to remove the cheep bullets from Wallmart after Columbine. One man and two young people went and met with the PR person and said help us make it harder for these guys to get .17 bullets. They remove the sale of those bullet out of there story and guess what? No back lash from the public at all I think we need to go like Canada does. They have more guns per person in there country but very few killings by guns. You must take a class on gun safety which is a month or so long. Than you have to wait I think a year for a gun . IF we had law makers that actually did anything this would be done. Those who make guns run a lot of Washington DC. Look how the gun guys are selling guns to the Mexs drug dealers.
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Only .05 percent of all violent crimes involving guns ihere in the US nvolved guns that were legally obtained by the offending party
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There are too many guns in the world for the problem to ever be solved
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SusyLuvsPaul:
There are too many guns in the world for the problem to ever be solved
I agree. It would be different if they could just pass a Law, and all the guns would just go away - no more guns. But, if that worked, there would be no such thing as "Meth."
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rich n:
Only .05 percent of all violent crimes involving guns ihere in the US nvolved guns that were legally obtained by the offending party
Yikes! That definitely brings the point home.
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audi:
rich n:
Only .05 percent of all violent crimes involving guns ihere in the US nvolved guns that were legally obtained by the offending party
Yikes! That definitely brings the point home.
Another issue is the lack of consistancy from state to state - here in MA, you could not obtain a firearm nearly as easily as the Arizona shooter.
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SusyLuvsPaul:
There are too many guns in the world for the problem to ever be solved
And if they are ever made "illegal" the criminals will really run wild, because they will always get them
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audi:
rich n:
Only .05 percent of all violent crimes involving guns ihere in the US nvolved guns that were legally obtained by the offending party
Yikes! That definitely brings the point home.
but how many of those guns were still 'legally obtained' in the first place? there seems to be a culture of clutching at straws and statistics to try and somehow justify americas crazy gun culture. i am actually quite shocked at how pro gun some of you are.
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lazydynamite88:
audi:
rich n:
Only .05 percent of all violent crimes involving guns ihere in the US nvolved guns that were legally obtained by the offending party
Yikes! That definitely brings the point home.
but how many of those guns were still 'legally obtained' in the first place? there seems to be a culture of clutching at straws and statistics to try and somehow justify americas crazy gun culture. i am actually quite shocked at how pro gun some of you are.
You'd be surprised to know that many states with looser gun laws actually have less violent crimes committed - However, when an isolated incident occurrs, as it did in Arizona, it becomes highlighted and the overall issue gets exaggerated...but that's our society today - Because just a handful of men who took matters into their own hands back on 9/11/2001, anytime I chose to fly, I get the choice of having a scanner display my sexy, sculpted body (LOL ) on a screen or have someone touch 'my junk'...
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like i said before 'statistics' can hide a multitude of sins. speaking of.......did you know that 9/10 people actually enjoy gang rape