The ..2012.... Political thread
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The_Fool:
SurSteven:
And, you have Buffet in My Country! Are you listening to Him?
No. They can take Buffet too. They are both betting against you and I to make more money for themselves.
I've done that too. Betting about the stock market falling. It's not a bet "against anybody". It's like... do you think the Lakers will won the championship. No, I don't think so. Or should I say, do you think the price of the sharehold will go higher or lower. Lower... cheap. Like actually investing in gold it somehow comes from the perception of a crisis. Actually, it could be said that they're bet favouring you... Cause they think shareholds will be cheaper. Or maybe they think that some company they don't support or like at all will fall. And that's not a bad thing if you don't like the company. Let's say you don't like company X. Because of the way they treat employers, clients, because of certain abuses they do, some corruption.... For instance, let's say you don't like Murdoch companies because all that about spying people. So you think we would be better without them. So what's sad if they fall? It's like, I don't like slavery. I would like slavery to dissappear.
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There is more to betting against you .... George Soros dumped a lot of gold in the market in an attempt to screw up the market and the price of gold. He can attempt to temporarily take a hit - while an average person loses much of their investment (that was suppose to be for retirement or college costs for their children). After these people get screwed over -- they try to recover some of it (which is human nature - to get out before you lose everything and try to get out with minimum loss). Soros who dumped gold and was set back short term - buys it back at a lower price - buys the gold he caused others to dump - and when the price goes back up -- he holds more. It was his actions - his game - that made the many lose out -- this is the type of betting and influencing the markets that I am trying to say.
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The_Fool:
There is more to betting against you .... George Soros dumped a lot of gold in the market in an attempt to screw up the market and the price of gold. He can attempt to temporarily take a hit - while an average person loses much of their investment (that was suppose to be for retirement or college costs for their children). After these people get screwed over -- they try to recover some of it (which is human nature - to get out before you lose everything and try to get out with minimum loss). Soros who dumped gold and was set back short term - buys it back at a lower price - buys the gold he caused others to dump - and when the price goes back up -- he holds more. It was his actions - his game - that made the many lose out -- this is the type of betting and influencing the markets that I am trying to say.
And the same thing is what happens in the Stock Markets. It's a rigged game.
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Altanon:
The_Fool:
There is more to betting against you .... George Soros dumped a lot of gold in the market in an attempt to screw up the market and the price of gold. He can attempt to temporarily take a hit - while an average person loses much of their investment (that was suppose to be for retirement or college costs for their children). After these people get screwed over -- they try to recover some of it (which is human nature - to get out before you lose everything and try to get out with minimum loss). Soros who dumped gold and was set back short term - buys it back at a lower price - buys the gold he caused others to dump - and when the price goes back up -- he holds more. It was his actions - his game - that made the many lose out -- this is the type of betting and influencing the markets that I am trying to say.
And the same thing is what happens in the Stock Markets. It's a rigged game.
People should never invest an "important" amount in the stock market. "Important" means, relevant to you. I mean, if your wealth is one milion, you can invest 200000, but if your wealth is 10000, you should invest 3000 or 4000, if ever!. Why? If you invest a "very significative" "important for you" amount, when the market falls you will get paranoid, you'll fear to lose everything you have, so you're less likely to be rational and you will sell it too cheap. And if the market goes high and high, you'll never sell it either, cause you will fall in a "I'm gonna get rich" illusion, so you'll let the chance of selling well pass. I've seen this with lots of people I've met, it's the same story repeated. That's what I think at least. Soros does it right, those people do it wrong. It's the saying of don't putting all the eggs in the same basket, in English, I think. Of course, if you handle massive amounts of money, your actions can have a big influence (that's not my case :lol. And of course Soros is an "speculator" too, only he speaks the truth instead of saying "market will solve everything" and that... (he's a massive philantropist too) You should not get your money in something you have no idea about It's like the legend of Rockefeller selling most of his shares when a shoeshine asked him where in the stock market should he invest his money. He realized then that clueless people were "investing" in the stock market, so it was a big bubble.
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Altanon:
And the same thing is what happens in the Stock Markets. It's a rigged game.
It reminds me of a combination of a few childhood games a long long time ago ..... These games involve a ball - you try to get the top person out ..... then the person who has been there the longest or has the most points becomes the new leader and everyone tries to get them out of the game. Then ... along comes a new leader who says to the leader in waiting .... I will protect you if you will protect me ..... a few more are added to that protection racket ...... and now they knock out and eliminate all who enter the game .... and they stay in the high power positions.
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The_Fool:
Altanon:
And the same thing is what happens in the Stock Markets. It's a rigged game.
It reminds me of a combination of a few childhood games a long long time ago ..... These games involve a ball - you try to get the top person out ..... then the person who has been there the longest or has the most points becomes the new leader and everyone tries to get them out of the game. Then ... along comes a new leader who says to the leader in waiting .... I will protect you if you will protect me ..... a few more are added to that protection racket ...... and now they knock out and eliminate all who enter the game .... and they stay in the high power positions.
Yes, stock markets are a game (maybe all markets are a game but I'm not gonna discuss that :lol. Well, they have 2 parts. Those who really in invest in something not wanting to sell or buy. And those who play with the price, just like a game. When the markets change suddenly, it's all because of the second kind ("speculators"). Because the real value of all the main companies in a nation can't change the 4% in a day!. Unless something like a major disaster in the country... an earthquake, war... That 4% is a speculation about the future value, or the speculation about the future speculation, et . , or misperception about the present value Soros himself talks a lot about that. Just like he says often "Economical power influences political power, it shouldn't be this way but it is" I'm not trying to defend Soros as a person. Not the messenger but the message. I think he's spot on on what he says about finance (he and certain others). I call him "the McCartney of finances" , go figure. I don't mean to say he's a fantastic person, that children should learn from him or so, just that he's right in virtually everything he's saying. About economy, I'm pretty much "What Soros says" almost always since 2008. But the big picture is bigger than economy, it's the world itself. Those kind of games are everywhere not only in the financial system... like Paul would say...
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The Obama's August Getaway [size=7]--- see you in September --- August 19, 2011 1 man, his dog, 2 helicopters, & Air Force One for a 500 mile trip . Stocks closed 400 points down Thursday as Obama boarded Air Force One . Obama staying at $50,000-per-week farm house . President says new plan will cut taxes while bringing jobs, but he won't unveil it until after Labour Day . pictures & video (at news site) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2027541/President-Barack-Obama-flies-500-miles-begin-holiday-Marthas-Vineyard.html Michelle?s Separate Travel Costs Taxpayers Thousands http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2011/08/19/michelles-separate-travel-costs-taxpayers-thousands/
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yes, even more Reaganomics too to be anounced here today on Spain "Reaganomics till the end!" :
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21st Century Paul:
yes, even more Reaganomics too to be anounced here today on Spain "Reaganomics till the end!" :
With Reaganomics, the End will come soon.
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Altanon:
21st Century Paul:
yes, even more Reaganomics too to be anounced here today on Spain "Reaganomics till the end!" :
With Reaganomics, the End will come soon.
yes, well... yes, not the end of the world, the collapse of the economy, there will still be people, trees and plants, etc. Actually there are some people that have the same view about Reaganomics and actually want more Reaganomics politics to be done to end this soon, go figure. hmmm.... Reaganomics more! cut all the social spending, no money at all on retirement, unemployement, health, etc no taxes for the richest, 100% income tax for the poorest yes, it's better to ignore it
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Let Big Brother run our schools, right? Might? We are no longer a self-reliant people. We are groomed as sheep for employment and taught just enough to be of use. To learn any further knowledge of common production requires a major expenditure beyond the financial reach of most people. And then it usually only amounts to some kind of "Microsoft Certification", not any knowledge of any tangible product at all. Our public schools teach us nothing about physical raw materials or how to produce them. The industrialists have in the meantime taken raw materials out of the hands of free trade. They've taken raw material production in-house. And "Public Corporations" often refuse to deal with outside inventors, but they'll rip the invention when they can. The schools have ignored the folk arts or replaced the common knowledge with dangerous technological methods in the place of the conventional safer methods that the people knew for generations (the safer methods that the industrialists actually use behind closed doors), to keep the ignorant out of trade. Like science class in public schools. Do they teach us how to survive with it? Make use of it? How to detect food poisoning, the associated microorganisms, and how to avoid it? Noo...they teach us how to dissect flowers and frogs. First level employees at a commercial lab do that sort of grunt work.
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well, I'm with John Lennon when he said that all we should learn at school is how to read and how to write. Or with Paul Simon "When I think back on all the crap I've learned in high school It's a wonder I can think at all Though my lack of education hasn't hurt me much I can still read the writing on the wall" I'm not with any other academic system of learning, but with thinking for yourself. That's why I don't believe in "music schools/conservatory", etc. You don't think there, they tell you something and you believe it and remind it. Maybe you pass a exam and then forget it. But if you learn things for yourself it's veeeery different. List of certain people that were self-taught, no academic system: Da Vinci, Einstein, Edison, Churchill, Bill Gates, The Beatles, Elvis, Queen, Dickens, Faraday, Henry Ford, Spielberg, George Bernard Shaw, Rockefeller, Steve Jobs, Stanley Kubrick, George Washington, Jimmy Hendrix, etc
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If you go to parts of any large city (and even many small cities and towns) and see homeless people or folks living in low income housing, inner city projects, ect, you'll learn the lesson that for every one example you state(Beatles, Elvis Presely, etc) who were fortunate enough to otain wealth without a real education, there are many thousands who are not quite so lucky
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"Education , like Spirituality, is (or should be) a Journey - not a Destination." ~ Earle L. Bailey "The purpose of the Private School is to elevate the individual above the Herd. The purpose to the Public School is to glorify the Herd." ~ JD Salinger
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rich n:
If you go to parts of any large city (and even many small cities and towns) and see homeless people or folks living in low income housing, inner city projects, ect, you'll learn the lesson that for every one example you state(Beatles, Elvis Presely, etc) who were fortunate enough to otain wealth without a real education, there are many thousands who are not quite so lucky
Well, look at me I have a university degree and I'm long-term unemployed. I've got the academic education and the self-taught education too. I think that the classic, academical system is not "real" education at all. Or should I say it's not true education.
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21st Century Paul:
...I think that the classic, academical system is not "real" education at all. Or should I say it's not true education.
Indoctrination, perhaps?
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Altanon:
21st Century Paul:
...I think that the classic, academical system is not "real" education at all. Or should I say it's not true education.
Indoctrination, perhaps?
wait, English dictionary... http://www.wordreference.com/definition/indoctrination 1 cause to accept a set of beliefs uncritically through repeated instruction. That's it.
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"If you're fighting against overwhelming odds, It doesn't matter if they're cretins and clods." ~ Earle L. Bailey
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And if you're fighting against overwhelming Mods, then just be yourself.
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Leveraging a Hurricane SEPTEMBER 2, 2011, 6:57 P.M. ET The real story behind the political theater over disaster relief ... Republicans had decided that the President's budget didn't have enough money for the Disaster Relief Fund. So they funded it at $850 million above the President's request. ... The White House hasn't asked for more funding ... ... this political theater is having no impact on victims in need of help. The MSNBC gang may like to pretend that Mr. Cantor is stealing blankets from homeless flood victims ... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904583204576542770484363328.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop