The ..2012.... Political thread
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Andy_Shofar:
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Btw, what happened in Wisconsin tonight? LOL - precursor to November (buh bye, Obamination )
The win in Wisconsin really had nothing to do with political ads & spending as some would like us to believe. It had everything to do with how the majority of Wisconsin's voters felt about the current President, unions, & perhaps more ...
Jun 6, 2012 Cruel June for Obama, Dems_and could get worse By DONNA CASSATA Associated Press http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DEMOCRATS_TOUGH_MONTH?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-06-06-16-55-13
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Why's Bill Clinton lobbying for Mitt Romney? LOL...and after the fact, he says his glowing observations of Romney's resume (which 'crosses the threshold' for the presidency - his words, not mine) should not be taken in context of him endorsing Romney...Ok, bill - I will
Bill Clinton once said: "Sometimes the problem with Democrats is that we don't know the difference between an issue and a message."
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I basically will chose to cast my vote. There I have a voice. I can speak up if I do not like what is going on as a registered voter love doris
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21st Century Paul:
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appletart2:
you can't keep giving tax breaks to the rich and than allow the world to take US jobs and import cheap landfill materials from china and expect anything to change., Americans won't have the same life style they enjoyed because of cheap money that was created on paper. things are going to get a lot worse. We are owned by corporations. You have been given two choices both answer to the same masters.
The 'Rich' are the investors of our economy and if you punish them for being successful, they'll just stop investing (in things like companies, who in turn use the invested money to create jobs, among other things)...To be jealous over the fact that they drive a fancier car than you is basically shooting yourself in the foot
That's the same old arguement, and it simply not true. The "Reagan" arguement since the 80s, it's a lie running around for more than 30 years. It doesn't even need to be disproved. Increase inequality and the economy is distroyed, as simple as that. Do you know where all the rich have stopped investing now? In Spain! The biggest investors escape ever. And the taxes for the rich here are the lowest ever. Same in Iceland, etc.... So, creating such insustainable in the economy is what really is like shooting yourself in the foot (especially if you're rich cause you have more things to lose).
How is investing (by rich or otherwise) shooting yourself in the foot? I don't know how it works in Spain, but here in the US, investments are the foundation of our economy. It doesn't work any other way. Many companies remain viable simply by way of investments received. Don't get me wrong - they still have to achieve a level of self sustainability...but in order to reach projected growth, etc, is largely based on a combination of there own revenue and investments. In other words, someone believes in their company and helps boost the growth...and given that only rich people have enough money to have a definite impact, then it goes without saying that their contributions are highly valued.
Inequality is shooting yourself in the foot, not investment.
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21st Century Paul:
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21st Century Paul:
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appletart2:
you can't keep giving tax breaks to the rich and than allow the world to take US jobs and import cheap landfill materials from china and expect anything to change., Americans won't have the same life style they enjoyed because of cheap money that was created on paper. things are going to get a lot worse. We are owned by corporations. You have been given two choices both answer to the same masters.
The 'Rich' are the investors of our economy and if you punish them for being successful, they'll just stop investing (in things like companies, who in turn use the invested money to create jobs, among other things)...To be jealous over the fact that they drive a fancier car than you is basically shooting yourself in the foot
That's the same old arguement, and it simply not true. The "Reagan" arguement since the 80s, it's a lie running around for more than 30 years. It doesn't even need to be disproved. Increase inequality and the economy is distroyed, as simple as that. Do you know where all the rich have stopped investing now? In Spain! The biggest investors escape ever. And the taxes for the rich here are the lowest ever. Same in Iceland, etc.... So, creating such insustainable in the economy is what really is like shooting yourself in the foot (especially if you're rich cause you have more things to lose).
How is investing (by rich or otherwise) shooting yourself in the foot? I don't know how it works in Spain, but here in the US, investments are the foundation of our economy. It doesn't work any other way. Many companies remain viable simply by way of investments received. Don't get me wrong - they still have to achieve a level of self sustainability...but in order to reach projected growth, etc, is largely based on a combination of there own revenue and investments. In other words, someone believes in their company and helps boost the growth...and given that only rich people have enough money to have a definite impact, then it goes without saying that their contributions are highly valued.
Inequality is shooting yourself in the foot, not investment.
Inequality. class warfare, blah blah blah is just abstract nonsense - unless you're under a socialist or dictatorship rule. Back when I was a kid and my dad was in the military, we got stationed down in Tampa, FL (MacDill Airforce Base)...For my elementary years, I went to the elementary school on base...However, they did not have a jr high or high school...so for my 7th grade year, they shipped us on a bus to Ybor City to a school called Booker T Washington. Contrary to what the name might suggest, the largest ethnic base was Cuban. My dad was just a staff sgt at the time (which means 'not a lot o'money'...LOL) and my mom only worked part time as a bank teller as she put herself through nursing school. The local (to Ybor City) kids...ie...the Cubans... thought all of us coming in from the base were 'rich white kids' (despite there being a fair demographic of black kids on the bus as well)..most of the families of these kids barely had their own pot to piss in and yet, we were labelled 'rich white kids'...LOL...this was back in the 70's and I don't think Booker T Washington school exists anymore. But the point/moral of the story is, regardless what you think you know or how you think you feel about the topic, there are people who look at you from the perspective that you're just a rich snot kid (or adult...which ever the case may be)...which makes it (drum roll...............................Abstract and subjective:-)) And I think of this story everytime I hear this 'class warefare' related crap...LOL
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This is why working/production class people should have more stock and relative buying power...in their works It is better to have 1,000 people with a hundred dollars each to invest in a company...than to have only one person...with a million dollars...to invest in a company ..It is the epitome of free enterprise and democratic thinking
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21st Century Paul:
rich n:
21st Century Paul:
rich n:
appletart2:
you can't keep giving tax breaks to the rich and than allow the world to take US jobs and import cheap landfill materials from china and expect anything to change., Americans won't have the same life style they enjoyed because of cheap money that was created on paper. things are going to get a lot worse. We are owned by corporations. You have been given two choices both answer to the same masters.
The 'Rich' are the investors of our economy and if you punish them for being successful, they'll just stop investing (in things like companies, who in turn use the invested money to create jobs, among other things)...To be jealous over the fact that they drive a fancier car than you is basically shooting yourself in the foot
That's the same old arguement, and it simply not true. The "Reagan" arguement since the 80s, it's a lie running around for more than 30 years. It doesn't even need to be disproved. Increase inequality and the economy is distroyed, as simple as that. Do you know where all the rich have stopped investing now? In Spain! The biggest investors escape ever. And the taxes for the rich here are the lowest ever. Same in Iceland, etc.... So, creating such insustainable in the economy is what really is like shooting yourself in the foot (especially if you're rich cause you have more things to lose).
How is investing (by rich or otherwise) shooting yourself in the foot? I don't know how it works in Spain, but here in the US, investments are the foundation of our economy. It doesn't work any other way. Many companies remain viable simply by way of investments received. Don't get me wrong - they still have to achieve a level of self sustainability...but in order to reach projected growth, etc, is largely based on a combination of there own revenue and investments. In other words, someone believes in their company and helps boost the growth...and given that only rich people have enough money to have a definite impact, then it goes without saying that their contributions are highly valued.
Inequality is shooting yourself in the foot, not investment.
Inequality. class warfare, blah blah blah is just abstract nonsense - unless you're under a socialist or dictatorship rule. Back when I was a kid and my dad was in the military, we got stationed down in Tampa, FL (MacDill Airforce Base)...For my elementary years, I went to the elementary school on base...However, they did not have a jr high or high school...so for my 7th grade year, they shipped us on a bus to Ybor City to a school called Booker T Washington. Contrary to what the name might suggest, the largest ethnic base was Cuban. My dad was just a staff sgt at the time (which means 'not a lot o'money'...LOL) and my mom only worked part time as a bank teller as she put herself through nursing school. The local (to Ybor City) kids...ie...the Cubans... thought all of us coming in from the base were 'rich white kids' (despite there being a fair demographic of black kids on the bus as well)..most of the families of these kids barely had their own pot to piss in and yet, we were labelled 'rich white kids'...LOL...this was back in the 70's and I don't think Booker T Washington school exists anymore. But the point/moral of the story is, regardless what you think you know or how you think you feel about the topic, there are people who look at you from the perspective that you're just a rich snot kid (or adult...which ever the case may be)...which makes it (drum roll...............................Abstract and subjective:-)) And I think of this story everytime I hear this 'class warefare' related crap...LOL
Too much inequality destroys every economical system, it's there on the history books. And also these days on the news.
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New Transmission from Spain: So what has happened?. A 100000 milion euros loan that Spain will have to return (or should I say "will try to return"). And probably it will not be the last one received by Spain. But what has happened too? This is not the same old standard IMF ways. Just because they don't have enough money to make that with Spain. So it's something different. How different? There's one big difference. That money is not much compared to Spain's economy (unlike what happened and Greece, Ireland, and before all over the world...), so the importance is not so big, for worse of for better. It's still the same story, Spain's too big to fall, too big not to fall. Only postponed a few months or weeks. There's still some kind of hope. Theoretically they say this measures are applied only to the banking system not the nation itself. And it will mean changes in the banking system and not in the country. Separating the banking system from the people. Oh yeah! Fantastic! But is it true? At least this is the first time it is announced like that. We'll see. Even Obama says it can't be the same anymore, "not austerity only". But it's what you do, not what you say. Still it's possible that the system saves itself instead of destroying itself.
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And now the strangest news in years. Maybe the best news in years. Christine Lagarde, the IMF's director agreed yesterday that there's less than 3 months left to save the Euro, the Soros analysis. http://amanpour.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/11/lagarde-less-than-three-months-to-save-the-euro/ 1.20 Do you agree with Soros....? http://cnn.com/video/?/video/bestoftv/2012/06/11/exp-amanpour-lagarde-euro-save.cnn
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NY Times Bestsellers June 10th to June 17th 2012 COMBINED PRINT & E-BOOK NONFICTION 1.THE AMATEUR, by Edward Klein HARDCOVER NONFICTION 1.THE AMATEUR, by Edward Klein
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June 11, 2012 _ by: Monica Crowley "Doing Fine" In the most telling moment of the presidential campaign so far, Barack Obama was speaking at a press conference last week and blurted out the definitive line of 2012: "The private sector is doing fine." No wonder he hold so few pressers. From the Cambridge police acting "stupidly" to "the private sector is doing fine." Stellar performances, all. ... 1. He actually does believe that the private sector is "doing fine," because he's in the process of crushing it. Higher taxes and costs, more regulations, socialized medicine, vast uncertainty...he's got the private sector exactly where he wants it. Twelve point seven million unemployed Americans, tens of millions more underemployed or who have given up looking for work. Nearly 50 million people on food stamps. ... http://monicamemo.typepad.com/weblog/2012/06/doing-fine.html
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I don't think a Nobel Prize is needed to explain the problems about inequality but just in case... http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/05/joseph-stiglitz-the-price-on-inequality
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Why isn't mittens talking about his success as governor of MA : : : Probably because there wasn't any 'success' other than health care (which he now opposes he was a one term governor who left office with the highest state debt in the nation and #47 in jobs. The policies he now proposes would also add to our debt and decrease not increase jobs.
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i'll be damned! I'm listening to a progressive talk-radio show, and the current on-air guy is doing an entire commentary on an observation, which I'd pegged weeks ago: Willard Mitt romney is a (wait for it) sociopath. http://seattle.cbslocal.com/
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mustangsally10:
Why isn't mittens talking about his success as governor of MA : : : Probably because there wasn't any 'success' other than health care (which he now opposes he was a one term governor who left office with the highest state debt in the nation and #47 in jobs. The policies he now proposes would also add to our debt and decrease not increase jobs.
Hahaha - the state's economic/job growth was fantastic under Romney...Obama had to stretch to find one little segment that didn't do well and is try to run on that with his campaign (which = fail...LOL)
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mustangsally10:
Why isn't mittens talking about his success as governor of MA : : : Probably because there wasn't any 'success' other than health care (which he now opposes he was a one term governor who left office with the highest state debt in the nation and #47 in jobs. The policies he now proposes would also add to our debt and decrease not increase jobs.
Hahaha - the state's economic/job growth was fantastic under Romney...Obama had to stretch to find one little segment that didn't do well and is try to run on that with his campaign (which = fail...LOL)
It was soooo great...that's why he was a disgraced one-termer with terrible approval numbers (34%).
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audi:
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mustangsally10:
Why isn't mittens talking about his success as governor of MA : : : Probably because there wasn't any 'success' other than health care (which he now opposes he was a one term governor who left office with the highest state debt in the nation and #47 in jobs. The policies he now proposes would also add to our debt and decrease not increase jobs.
Hahaha - the state's economic/job growth was fantastic under Romney...Obama had to stretch to find one little segment that didn't do well and is try to run on that with his campaign (which = fail...LOL)
It was soooo great...that's why he was a disgraced one-termer with terrible approval numbers (34%).
Comparisons to a less than 0ne-termer : :
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But enough about Sarah Palin.
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Obamanomics is all about passing the blame and/or changing the topic.
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Andy_Shofar:
Obamanomics is all about passing the blame and/or changing the topic.
Then explain why we've had 24 consecutive months of job GROWTH under Obama. Prove me wrong. Dare ya'.