Newtown, Connecticut, Sandy Hook Elementary School.
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walliebaby:
I've been following this conversation closely as I'm in the classroom every day. I will say that arming teachers or having armed officers in school is just NOT the answer. Guns and students don't mix. I'm not for desensitizing students to guns or their presence in those students' lives. That would be like saying that no new drivers' licenses should be given out because there are too many traffic accidents. Guns in schools? No way. Not a chance.
I don't know why you laugh about the suggestion walliebaby. There are schools in Chicago where I'm from that have metal detectors and armed cops in them already, and you don't see this type of stuff happening, even though these schools are loaded with gang members etc. it works. And you all can go around thinking you're gonna change everyone's heads, but I say I'll pay a little more in taxes to have the added protection of an armed officer protecting my kids in school. Arming teachers is not what I'm saying. I'm just saying one or two armed cops is totally a viable option. It would absolutely stop the chances of what just happened from ever happening again. Again, it's not a laughing matter.
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kapoo:
walliebaby:
I've been following this conversation closely as I'm in the classroom every day. I will say that arming teachers or having armed officers in school is just NOT the answer. Guns and students don't mix. I'm not for desensitizing students to guns or their presence in those students' lives. That would be like saying that no new drivers' licenses should be given out because there are too many traffic accidents. Guns in schools? No way. Not a chance.
I don't know why you laugh about the suggestion walliebaby. There are schools in Chicago where I'm from that have metal detectors and armed cops in them already, and you don't see this type of stuff happening, even though these schools are loaded with gang members etc. it works. And you all can go around thinking you're gonna change everyone's heads, but I say I'll pay a little more in taxes to have the added protection of an armed officer protecting my kids in school. Arming teachers is not what I'm saying. I'm just saying one or two armed cops is totally a viable option. It would absolutely stop the chances of what just happened from ever happening again. Again, it's not a laughing matter.
Kapoo...I am in Chicago too & we both know it doesn't only happen in scholls. What about all the shootings all frickin year long? Innocent kids & even adults are shot for no reason. Cops at every svhool will not work. There will never be that kind of money available unless the parents pay a special tuition or something. The guns will never be taken off the streets.
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oobu24:
kapoo:
walliebaby:
I've been following this conversation closely as I'm in the classroom every day. I will say that arming teachers or having armed officers in school is just NOT the answer. Guns and students don't mix. I'm not for desensitizing students to guns or their presence in those students' lives. That would be like saying that no new drivers' licenses should be given out because there are too many traffic accidents. Guns in schools? No way. Not a chance.
I don't know why you laugh about the suggestion walliebaby. There are schools in Chicago where I'm from that have metal detectors and armed cops in them already, and you don't see this type of stuff happening, even though these schools are loaded with gang members etc. it works. And you all can go around thinking you're gonna change everyone's heads, but I say I'll pay a little more in taxes to have the added protection of an armed officer protecting my kids in school. Arming teachers is not what I'm saying. I'm just saying one or two armed cops is totally a viable option. It would absolutely stop the chances of what just happened from ever happening again. Again, it's not a laughing matter.
Kapoo...I am in Chicago too & we both know it doesn't only happen in scholls. What about all the shootings all frickin year long? Innocent kids & even adults are shot for no reason. Cops at every svhool will not work. There will never be that kind of money available unless the parents pay a special tuition or something. The guns will never be taken off the streets.
The reason you don't have mass shootings in these inner city schools is because they already have metal detectors and police presence. Yeah the gangs off themselves one at a time out of school, but at least for the most part it's gangs and drug dealers shooting themselves up. In the worst areas you don't see these mass school shootings cause there's already police presence. Time to bring it to the white affluent suburbs I you ask me.
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kapoo:
oobu24:
kapoo:
walliebaby:
I've been following this conversation closely as I'm in the classroom every day. I will say that arming teachers or having armed officers in school is just NOT the answer. Guns and students don't mix. I'm not for desensitizing students to guns or their presence in those students' lives. That would be like saying that no new drivers' licenses should be given out because there are too many traffic accidents. Guns in schools? No way. Not a chance.
I don't know why you laugh about the suggestion walliebaby. There are schools in Chicago where I'm from that have metal detectors and armed cops in them already, and you don't see this type of stuff happening, even though these schools are loaded with gang members etc. it works. And you all can go around thinking you're gonna change everyone's heads, but I say I'll pay a little more in taxes to have the added protection of an armed officer protecting my kids in school. Arming teachers is not what I'm saying. I'm just saying one or two armed cops is totally a viable option. It would absolutely stop the chances of what just happened from ever happening again. Again, it's not a laughing matter.
Kapoo...I am in Chicago too & we both know it doesn't only happen in scholls. What about all the shootings all frickin year long? Innocent kids & even adults are shot for no reason. Cops at every svhool will not work. There will never be that kind of money available unless the parents pay a special tuition or something. The guns will never be taken off the streets.
The reason you don't have mass shootings in these inner city schools is because they already have metal detectors and police presence. Yeah the gangs off themselves one at a time out of school, but at least for the most part it's gangs and drug dealers shooting themselves up. In the worst areas you don't see these mass school shootings cause there's already police presence. Time to bring it to the white affluent suburbs I you ask me.
ehhh...check some death totals over weekends in the summer. This year I was shocked to hear maybe 20 or more were killed over the weekend. It's all too much. If you have armed guards in schools...after awhile they'll be like the airport people...snoozing on the job...slackin off...totally uninterested. Mall cops.
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oobu24:
kapoo:
oobu24:
kapoo:
walliebaby:
I've been following this conversation closely as I'm in the classroom every day. I will say that arming teachers or having armed officers in school is just NOT the answer. Guns and students don't mix. I'm not for desensitizing students to guns or their presence in those students' lives. That would be like saying that no new drivers' licenses should be given out because there are too many traffic accidents. Guns in schools? No way. Not a chance.
I don't know why you laugh about the suggestion walliebaby. There are schools in Chicago where I'm from that have metal detectors and armed cops in them already, and you don't see this type of stuff happening, even though these schools are loaded with gang members etc. it works. And you all can go around thinking you're gonna change everyone's heads, but I say I'll pay a little more in taxes to have the added protection of an armed officer protecting my kids in school. Arming teachers is not what I'm saying. I'm just saying one or two armed cops is totally a viable option. It would absolutely stop the chances of what just happened from ever happening again. Again, it's not a laughing matter.
Kapoo...I am in Chicago too & we both know it doesn't only happen in scholls. What about all the shootings all frickin year long? Innocent kids & even adults are shot for no reason. Cops at every svhool will not work. There will never be that kind of money available unless the parents pay a special tuition or something. The guns will never be taken off the streets.
The reason you don't have mass shootings in these inner city schools is because they already have metal detectors and police presence. Yeah the gangs off themselves one at a time out of school, but at least for the most part it's gangs and drug dealers shooting themselves up. In the worst areas you don't see these mass school shootings cause there's already police presence. Time to bring it to the white affluent suburbs I you ask me.
ehhh...check some death totals over weekends in the summer. This year I was shocked to hear maybe 20 or more were killed over the weekend. It's all too much. If you have armed guards in schools...after awhile they'll be like the airport people...snoozing on the job...slackin off...totally uninterested. Mall cops.
Okay well I haven't read back into this thread, but what is your idea for stopping these mass school shootings? You're not going to ban all guns, and even if you did gangbangers would get them. You're not going to stop the killings you're talking about, gang wars on the west side of Chicago. But I'm talking about the mass slaughtering off innocent kids in affluent schools. What's your plan to stop those? Cause the plan I've proposed is working already in areas (all the worst areas) around the US. and I guarantee that's what ends up happening. Extra security in every school. Within months that will be the case.
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oobu24:
kapoo:
oobu24:
kapoo:
walliebaby:
I've been following this conversation closely as I'm in the classroom every day. I will say that arming teachers or having armed officers in school is just NOT the answer. Guns and students don't mix. I'm not for desensitizing students to guns or their presence in those students' lives. That would be like saying that no new drivers' licenses should be given out because there are too many traffic accidents. Guns in schools? No way. Not a chance.
I don't know why you laugh about the suggestion walliebaby. There are schools in Chicago where I'm from that have metal detectors and armed cops in them already, and you don't see this type of stuff happening, even though these schools are loaded with gang members etc. it works. And you all can go around thinking you're gonna change everyone's heads, but I say I'll pay a little more in taxes to have the added protection of an armed officer protecting my kids in school. Arming teachers is not what I'm saying. I'm just saying one or two armed cops is totally a viable option. It would absolutely stop the chances of what just happened from ever happening again. Again, it's not a laughing matter.
Kapoo...I am in Chicago too & we both know it doesn't only happen in scholls. What about all the shootings all frickin year long? Innocent kids & even adults are shot for no reason. Cops at every svhool will not work. There will never be that kind of money available unless the parents pay a special tuition or something. The guns will never be taken off the streets.
The reason you don't have mass shootings in these inner city schools is because they already have metal detectors and police presence. Yeah the gangs off themselves one at a time out of school, but at least for the most part it's gangs and drug dealers shooting themselves up. In the worst areas you don't see these mass school shootings cause there's already police presence. Time to bring it to the white affluent suburbs I you ask me.
ehhh...check some death totals over weekends in the summer. This year I was shocked to hear maybe 20 or more were killed over the weekend. It's all too much. If you have armed guards in schools...after awhile they'll be like the airport people...snoozing on the job...slackin off...totally uninterested. Mall cops.
Last year there was a full time armed policeman in the school where I worked. He was always alert and ready to roll. I talked to him sometimes. He was all business, no nonsense type. All you had to do was request his presence. He would be there in a second. He got a kid to tell who stole a teacher's phone (she always locked it up after that) and those kids NEVER TELL on each other. With all of the taxes we pay, why CAN'T we have an armed policemen at every school. It will create more jobs AND protect children and teachers. Seems like a win win to me.
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Kathryn O:
making things illegal gets rid of them. Just ask Paul about drugs. This is a mental health issue more then a gun control issue.
Guns and rights are easier to talk about than mental health, which makes people uncomfortable. It also illustrates a serious flaw in an already flawed health system.
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i_am_hymn:
Places like Chicago & the State of Connecticut already have strict gun control laws! Is that working for them? It seems that these laws grossly overlooked something. Taking guns away isn't going to change the immorality of a corrupted criminal or would-be criminal's mind. There needs to be VIRTUAL gun control! Let's take the guns out of the hands of movie producers, video game producers, and any other forms of violent influence peddling. Truth is they took smoking away from the movies, video games and commercials. Isn't it time to take the virtual guns away? And let the law abiding citizens have their right to bear arms for self defense/protection. The actual firearm is just a physical manifestation, it is not at the root of the problem. It's like George Harrison said, "it's all in the mind." To reduce crime we need to start there. If we don't, then the criminals will find any other way they can to get guns. Whether thru a drug trade or the old fashion way.... stealing them! Also, we really need to get God back into the equation. People doing the right thing, following the 10 commandments. Which, btw, has little to do with religion and a lot to do with law.
Many nations watch American movies without any of its citizens shooting anyone. Blaming violent movies and video games only shifts responsibility. Do people no longer smoke now that smoking was taken out of movies?
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ONe of the other issues that is the problem is the actual wording of the law itself causing it to not get passed. Many laws that were proposed banning certain weapons were vaguely worded so that they could be used in the future to ban all weapons and gun advocated are leary of that. the same goes with anti-abortion laws which are also not passed due to being vaguely worded and could be used to ban birth control.
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kapoo:
walliebaby:
I've been following this conversation closely as I'm in the classroom every day. I will say that arming teachers or having armed officers in school is just NOT the answer. Guns and students don't mix. I'm not for desensitizing students to guns or their presence in those students' lives. That would be like saying that no new drivers' licenses should be given out because there are too many traffic accidents. Guns in schools? No way. Not a chance.
I don't know why you laugh about the suggestion walliebaby. There are schools in Chicago where I'm from that have metal detectors and armed cops in them already, and you don't see this type of stuff happening, even though these schools are loaded with gang members etc. it works. And you all can go around thinking you're gonna change everyone's heads, but I say I'll pay a little more in taxes to have the added protection of an armed officer protecting my kids in school. Arming teachers is not what I'm saying. I'm just saying one or two armed cops is totally a viable option. It would absolutely stop the chances of what just happened from ever happening again. Again, it's not a laughing matter.
Viable option in schools that have the money to pay for it, sure. Most don't. We have schools that are cutting teachers and programs, so why would anyone expect them to pay for an armed guard instead? As was already pointed out previously, schools and places where shootings have happened have had metal detectors and armed guards. The shootings still occurred. Fighting violence with knee jerk reactions and other weapons of violence is not the answer.
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kapoo:
oobu24:
kapoo:
oobu24:
kapoo:
walliebaby:
I've been following this conversation closely as I'm in the classroom every day. I will say that arming teachers or having armed officers in school is just NOT the answer. Guns and students don't mix. I'm not for desensitizing students to guns or their presence in those students' lives. That would be like saying that no new drivers' licenses should be given out because there are too many traffic accidents. Guns in schools? No way. Not a chance.
I don't know why you laugh about the suggestion walliebaby. There are schools in Chicago where I'm from that have metal detectors and armed cops in them already, and you don't see this type of stuff happening, even though these schools are loaded with gang members etc. it works. And you all can go around thinking you're gonna change everyone's heads, but I say I'll pay a little more in taxes to have the added protection of an armed officer protecting my kids in school. Arming teachers is not what I'm saying. I'm just saying one or two armed cops is totally a viable option. It would absolutely stop the chances of what just happened from ever happening again. Again, it's not a laughing matter.
Kapoo...I am in Chicago too & we both know it doesn't only happen in scholls. What about all the shootings all frickin year long? Innocent kids & even adults are shot for no reason. Cops at every svhool will not work. There will never be that kind of money available unless the parents pay a special tuition or something. The guns will never be taken off the streets.
The reason you don't have mass shootings in these inner city schools is because they already have metal detectors and police presence. Yeah the gangs off themselves one at a time out of school, but at least for the most part it's gangs and drug dealers shooting themselves up. In the worst areas you don't see these mass school shootings cause there's already police presence. Time to bring it to the white affluent suburbs I you ask me.
ehhh...check some death totals over weekends in the summer. This year I was shocked to hear maybe 20 or more were killed over the weekend. It's all too much. If you have armed guards in schools...after awhile they'll be like the airport people...snoozing on the job...slackin off...totally uninterested. Mall cops.
Okay well I haven't read back into this thread, but what is your idea for stopping these mass school shootings? You're not going to ban all guns, and even if you did gangbangers would get them. You're not going to stop the killings you're talking about, gang wars on the west side of Chicago. But I'm talking about the mass slaughtering off innocent kids in affluent schools. What's your plan to stop those? Cause the plan I've proposed is working already in areas (all the worst areas) around the US. and I guarantee that's what ends up happening. Extra security in every school. Within months that will be the case.
Please note, though, that shootings in schools have never been happening constantly, armed guards, detectors, or not. Look at the facts and statistics. One does not necessarily equal the other. Also note that while the shootings aren't happening in the school buildings, as both you and Oobu have stated, kids are still getting shot and killed, it's just happening off school grounds now. Not exactly a result that anyone should be happy about. This is a thread to talk about and grieve about the lives lost in the Sandy Hook tragedy. What happened there is horrible, but having an armed guard on the campus wouldn't have prevented a mentally ill person from harming people. It didn't prevent Columbine, it didn't prevent Virginia Tech, and it wouldn't have stopped this current tragedy from unfolding, either.
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I just pray and hope that individuals who have mental health issues don't be come scapegoats for a community after all this. That is a thing that needs to come out as well. It was an act of violence. There are criminally insane who would do such acts but multitudes of others who simply need care who would not do these things love doris
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There's now talk of looking into the idea of teachers being required to carry firearms. My boyfriend is a middle-school teacher, and we both believe that idea is preposterous.
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walliebaby:
"SNAP!"
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audi:
There's now talk of looking into the idea of teachers being required to carry firearms. My boyfriend is a middle-school teacher, and we both believe that idea is preposterous.
It is a preposterous idea. I think the talk is coming from the NRA. I hope it is not being taken seriously.
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Fan4-45years:
oobu24:
kapoo:
oobu24:
kapoo:
walliebaby:
I've been following this conversation closely as I'm in the classroom every day. I will say that arming teachers or having armed officers in school is just NOT the answer. Guns and students don't mix. I'm not for desensitizing students to guns or their presence in those students' lives. That would be like saying that no new drivers' licenses should be given out because there are too many traffic accidents. Guns in schools? No way. Not a chance.
I don't know why you laugh about the suggestion walliebaby. There are schools in Chicago where I'm from that have metal detectors and armed cops in them already, and you don't see this type of stuff happening, even though these schools are loaded with gang members etc. it works. And you all can go around thinking you're gonna change everyone's heads, but I say I'll pay a little more in taxes to have the added protection of an armed officer protecting my kids in school. Arming teachers is not what I'm saying. I'm just saying one or two armed cops is totally a viable option. It would absolutely stop the chances of what just happened from ever happening again. Again, it's not a laughing matter.
Kapoo...I am in Chicago too & we both know it doesn't only happen in scholls. What about all the shootings all frickin year long? Innocent kids & even adults are shot for no reason. Cops at every svhool will not work. There will never be that kind of money available unless the parents pay a special tuition or something. The guns will never be taken off the streets.
The reason you don't have mass shootings in these inner city schools is because they already have metal detectors and police presence. Yeah the gangs off themselves one at a time out of school, but at least for the most part it's gangs and drug dealers shooting themselves up. In the worst areas you don't see these mass school shootings cause there's already police presence. Time to bring it to the white affluent suburbs I you ask me.
ehhh...check some death totals over weekends in the summer. This year I was shocked to hear maybe 20 or more were killed over the weekend. It's all too much. If you have armed guards in schools...after awhile they'll be like the airport people...snoozing on the job...slackin off...totally uninterested. Mall cops.
Last year there was a full time armed policeman in the school where I worked. He was always alert and ready to roll. I talked to him sometimes. He was all business, no nonsense type. All you had to do was request his presence. He would be there in a second. He got a kid to tell who stole a teacher's phone (she always locked it up after that) and those kids NEVER TELL on each other. With all of the taxes we pay, why CAN'T we have an armed policemen at every school. It will create more jobs AND protect children and teachers. Seems like a win win to me.
Thank you, good post. Arming every teacher is idiotic, but putting armed guards in schools unfortunately may be required. and like I've said, its already happening in many of the worst school systems in the country. and you don;t hear about mass shootings in those schools. its always the affluent 'white' 'not a care in the world' areas. time to wake up. And where's the proof there was an armed guard at Columbine, cause I had never heard that. Sounds made up. Did the armed guard do anything? If there was one, well hopefully future officers will be more up to the task. and believe me, I am the biggest proponent of outlawing 99% of guns. Who the hell needs an ooozi, no one. I'm just saying, I'm tired of leaving our kids exposed.
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audi:
There's now talk of looking into the idea of teachers being required to carry firearms. My boyfriend is a middle-school teacher, and we both believe that idea is preposterous.
Yup. Let's fight guns with more guns. Next they'll suggest inserting land mines into the floor in front of the school doors to take care of unwanted visitors. : Perhaps the armed guards in each school could also pat down all of the students before they enter the building, as the majority of school shooters in recent years have been students. God forbid we put money into mental health and community resources to help these people versus gunning them down when these mentally ill people who've not been helped inevitably snap. Being reactive is easier than being proactive, after all.
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walliebaby:
audi:
There's now talk of looking into the idea of teachers being required to carry firearms. My boyfriend is a middle-school teacher, and we both believe that idea is preposterous.
Yup. Let's fight guns with more guns. Next they'll suggest inserting land mines into the floor in front of the school doors to take care of unwanted visitors. : Perhaps the armed guards in each school could also pat down all of the students before they enter the building, as the majority of school shooters in recent years have been students. God forbid we put money into mental health and community resources to help these people versus gunning them down when these mentally ill people who've not been helped inevitably snap. Being reactive is easier than being proactive, after all.
The idea of having guns closer to our students in any form is a blatant absurdity! I know perfectly well why walliebaby was laughing. My youngest daughter has been teaching world history in high school for 9 years.
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SurSteven:
walliebaby:
audi:
There's now talk of looking into the idea of teachers being required to carry firearms. My boyfriend is a middle-school teacher, and we both believe that idea is preposterous.
Yup. Let's fight guns with more guns. Next they'll suggest inserting land mines into the floor in front of the school doors to take care of unwanted visitors. : Perhaps the armed guards in each school could also pat down all of the students before they enter the building, as the majority of school shooters in recent years have been students. God forbid we put money into mental health and community resources to help these people versus gunning them down when these mentally ill people who've not been helped inevitably snap. Being reactive is easier than being proactive, after all.
The idea of having guns closer to our students in any form is a blatant absurdity! I know perfectly well why walliebaby was laughing. My youngest daughter has been teaching world history in high school for 9 years.
Thank you, Sur Steven. I came across this on Facebook just now and think this is an even better idea, actually: