The 2012 and beyond Political Thread - Part 2
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President Barack Obama's achievements...and counting (copied from the Prez's blog): Obama saved us from a full depression Obama has reduced the deficit by hundreds of BILLIONS Obama kept us from bankruptcy and a default Obama has created 27 consecutive months of job growth Obama saved the Auto Industry Obama killed Bin Laden Obama gave us Nationalized Health Care Obama allowed Millions of young students to stay and thrive Obama saved our retirements with the stock market recovery Obama made sure TARP got PAID back with INTEREST Obama took us out of one war, IRAQ. Obama toppled dictators in Libya and Egypt Obama gave women the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act Obama saves seniors over $2,000 by closing a drug hole. Obama Gave people with pre-existing condition Healthcare Obama reformed Wall Street to protect consumers Obama put 26 year olds under their parents healthcare Obama extended student loans and Pell grants Obama gave us no-co pay physicals Obama gave us better air quality with NEW MPG standards Obama made sure everyone gets accepted for health insurance Obama told BP oil to take responsibility for their horrendous oil spill Obama told Women they do not have co-pays for birth control Obama told Seniors "no pay" for Preventative Screenings Obama is responsibly drawing down the war in Afghanistan Obama gave Small business owners 18 different tax breaks Obama got Dodd Frank passed into law Obama told Insurers they must spend 80% of what you pay Obama brings soldiers home to education + job opportunities Obama gave Tax credits + CUTS for workers during worst recession Obama has earned the World's respect of the USA in decades Obama gave us the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau Obama gave us More transparency with earmarks by lawmakers Obama got rid of DADT in the military Obama gave Families REFUNDS from their Health Insurance Obama extended child tax credits to help families Obama has spent less than any President in decades
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audi:
How many more Romney lies need to be refuted before his supporters wake the hell up?
No one I know in the UK - or in Europe probably - really understands why people want to for Romney over Obama. I really hope he loses. Scary really.
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Finally, Obama calls out mittens for what he is ...a liar..about time
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GM calls latest Romney auto ad 'politics at its cynical worst' http://www.freep.com/article/20121030/BUSINESS01/121030036/?odyssey=tab|mostpopular|text|SPORTS07
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I think Obama should sell women's shoes at Macy's and Romney should drive an ice cream truck. So there.
By the way, I'd like an ice cream sandwich.
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Andy_Shofar:
Thank you for expressing what you believe without belittling anyone
You are very welcome. Imagine if everyone did the same. However, I did not express what I believe. I simply asked what I think are reasonable questions. American politics being as divisive as they are, I can see why people might assume I support any of their candidates over another. It seems to me that it is difficult for Americans to discuss their opinions online with an open mind, and as such, assume that others must share their extreme devotion to one side or another. I appreciate that service_gamer responded in his own words without any copy and paste, but I am disappointed that no one chose to answer my questions.
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SusyLuvsPaul:
I heard today that Obama already has enough electoral votes to win again. That he WILL win. Hope to God that's true
The first sentence is false. The second remains to be seen. I cannot confirm or deny the veracity of the third sentence.
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i_am_hymn:
I think Obama should sell women's shoes at Macy's and Romney should drive an ice cream truck. So there.
By the way, I'd like an ice cream sandwich.
So you prefer Romney?
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Copying and pasting are credible when it's the truth. Regardless -- speaking for myself -- there is PLENTY of first-person contributions from me that clearly demonstrate that I make informed posts.
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al Sabah:
At the risk of being personally attacked, having my character and sanity questioned, and told how much I must hate America for asking questions, I would like to ask a few questions. Do Democrats truly not understand Romney?s binder comment? The phrasing was clumsy, but why do Democrats think it bad for a governor to look for qualified women to work in his administration? Did he only hire women for minor positions? Were his lieutenant governor, chief of staff, and several cabinet members women? Do Democrats not understand Romney?s 47% comment? It was also poorly stated, but did he say he would not care about 47% of the people if he were president or did he say 47% will vote for Obama no matter what and it would be a waste of time trying to get their vote? The Big Bird cartoons are funny, but do Democrats truly believe Romney would fire Big Bird? If Big Bird relies on only a small amount of government funding, how would cutting such funding harm him? Or her. What gender is Big Bird? Romney invests in companies that deal with China. I cannot see why this is a bad thing, but has Obama ever invested in such companies? Romney is wealthy. Why is this bad? Is Obama poor? Why was John Kerry?s wealth acceptable while Romney?s is not? How many recent American presidents were not millionaires? Are these the most important issues facing your nation or are they distractions that keep people from discussing issues more complicated than a sound bite? Why is it better to discuss sound bites and retweet insults than it is to study issues and discuss them civilly? I am not American, but if I were I would be more concerned with jobs and voter suppression. Both Obama and Romney have said they would create the most jobs. Both have also said the private sector, and not government, creates jobs. Are they both lying? Is either talking about voter suppression? Why are people talking about Big Bird more than the state taking away your right to vote?
I remember this post. Romney does not deserve to be considered as a credible candidate for the highest office in this country. He is a shameless, opportunistic liar who has offended a significant portion of the country. And, yes, his "47%" comment is as bad as it seemed: People like my grandparents EARNED their retirement benefits and are entitled to their Medicare because they PAID for it. We are self-made people in my family.
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Unless I missed it, nobody ever did address the really important question posed in that post:
al Sabah:
What gender is Big Bird?
Well?
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audi:
al Sabah:
At the risk of being personally attacked, having my character and sanity questioned, and told how much I must hate America for asking questions, I would like to ask a few questions. Do Democrats truly not understand Romney?s binder comment? The phrasing was clumsy, but why do Democrats think it bad for a governor to look for qualified women to work in his administration? Did he only hire women for minor positions? Were his lieutenant governor, chief of staff, and several cabinet members women? Do Democrats not understand Romney?s 47% comment? It was also poorly stated, but did he say he would not care about 47% of the people if he were president or did he say 47% will vote for Obama no matter what and it would be a waste of time trying to get their vote? The Big Bird cartoons are funny, but do Democrats truly believe Romney would fire Big Bird? If Big Bird relies on only a small amount of government funding, how would cutting such funding harm him? Or her. What gender is Big Bird? Romney invests in companies that deal with China. I cannot see why this is a bad thing, but has Obama ever invested in such companies? Romney is wealthy. Why is this bad? Is Obama poor? Why was John Kerry?s wealth acceptable while Romney?s is not? How many recent American presidents were not millionaires? Are these the most important issues facing your nation or are they distractions that keep people from discussing issues more complicated than a sound bite? Why is it better to discuss sound bites and retweet insults than it is to study issues and discuss them civilly? I am not American, but if I were I would be more concerned with jobs and voter suppression. Both Obama and Romney have said they would create the most jobs. Both have also said the private sector, and not government, creates jobs. Are they both lying? Is either talking about voter suppression? Why are people talking about Big Bird more than the state taking away your right to vote?
I remember this post. Romney does not deserve to be considered as a credible candidate for the highest office in this country. He is a shameless, opportunistic liar who has offended a significant portion of the country. And, yes, his "47%" comment is as bad as it seemed: People like my grandparents EARNED their retirement benefits and are entitled to their Medicare because they PAID for it. We are self-made people in my family.
Let me add that no one wants to stand in the way of wealth. It's HOW one gets wealthy that is the issue. Capital gains only to be invested in offshore accounts is not illegal, but it's not patriotic either.
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Mitt Romney "Rented" Mormon Church's Tax Exemption Status:
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How Romney used his church?s charity status to lower his tax bill: http://www.salon.com/2012/10/31/how_romney_used_his_churchs_charity_status_to_lower_his_tax_bill/singleton/
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audi:
How Romney used his church?s charity status to lower his tax bill: http://www.salon.com/2012/10/31/how_romney_used_his_churchs_charity_status_to_lower_his_tax_bill/singleton/
Mitt Romney Uses Now-Outlawed Tax Loophole to Pay Lower Taxes: "According to an investigation by Bloomberg News, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has benefited from a tax loophole that has been outlawed since 1996 which allows him to use the tax-exempt status of the Mormon church to reduce his own tax bill. Romney set up the arrangement in June 1996 while he was the chief executive officer of Bain Capital. This is one year before Congress clamped down on the practice. Because his arrangements were already established, Romney was allowed to keep them in place. Known as a charitable remainder unitrust, it is just one of the tax loopholes that Romney has taken advantage of in order to reduce his tax bill. In this instance, Romney used the tax exempt status of the Mormon Church to defer taxes for more than 15 years. Romney will beneft, but the trust will probably leave the church with less than what the law now requires...." http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/19271
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Secret Unreleased Campaign Ad: Romney/Ryan on Women:
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A Bird In The Hand...Is Better Than... http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee298/SurSteven/politiciansandvoters.jpg
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Don't want to get suckered in (like so many have) to this idea that there is a choice. Truth is, both of these guys were preordained. Ever wonder why there is no 3rd party invited to a debate? Or gets a chances with the media at all? I knew Romney would become the nominee many months ago. Obama knew Romney would become the nominee many months ago. Obama knew Ron Paul would get marginalized many months ago. This whole election setup has been old news for awhile. It is a complete waste of time for anyone to get suckered into all that negative energy. It doesn't work, it has never worked. Playing the blame game is just plain ignorant. Actually, if you REALLY want someone to blame, blame the federal reserve, these beyond approach Trillionaire banking families (they own both democrats and republicans) have got us into this mess, let them get us out of it. They setup this win/lose paradigm system since 1913 and before then everything was fine. You should NOT have to pay for your own money. They're the biggest crooks of all. You were robbed and you didn't even know it. The purchasing power of the dollar has dropped to the point where it is worth about $.05 compared to 1913's dollar. I don't have the time nor energy to explain this in much detail, so of you are interested do your own homework. The bottom line is, the country of the United States (not the global plutocracy) is SO divided, SO ignorant, and such suckers for the "new world order" that they don't know what they are talking about. It is the oldest trick in the book, divide and conquer. If you end up sounding negative and accusing this guy or that guy of being an idiot on this thread, you will absolutely prove my point. That you clearly don't understand what is going on.
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Awwwwww honey!! It's OK! Don't let those big bad politicos sadden you, they're just blowin' hot air, it'll be alright...... forget about Bronco Bamma and Mitch Ramaney....
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i_am_hymn:
Don't want to get suckered in (like so many have) to this idea that there is a choice. Truth is, both of these guys were preordained. Ever wonder why there is no 3rd party invited to a debate? Or gets a chances with the media at all? I knew Romney would become the nominee many months ago. Obama knew Romney would become the nominee many months ago. Obama knew Ron Paul would get marginalized many months ago. This whole election setup has been old news for awhile. It is a complete waste of time for anyone to get suckered into all that negative energy. It doesn't work, it has never worked. Playing the blame game is just plain ignorant. Actually, if you REALLY want someone to blame, blame the federal reserve, these beyond approach Trillionaire banking families (they own both democrats and republicans) have got us into this mess, let them get us out of it. They setup this win/lose paradigm system since 1913 and before then everything was fine. You should NOT have to pay for your own money. They're the biggest crooks of all. You were robbed and you didn't even know it. The purchasing power of the dollar has dropped to the point where it is worth about $.05 compared to 1913's dollar. I don't have the time nor energy to explain this in much detail, so of you are interested do your own homework. The bottom line is, the country of the United States (not the global plutocracy) is SO divided, SO ignorant, and such suckers for the "new world order" that they don't know what they are talking about. It is the oldest trick in the book, divide and conquer. If you end up sounding negative and accusing this guy or that guy of being an idiot on this thread, you will absolutely prove my point. That you clearly don't understand what is going on.
No argument here. I am aware of the "new world order" and the eerie bloodline of almost every President this country has ever had, including the current one.