Drug Free/ Alcohol Free?
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^^ I understand. "Everything in moderation, including moderation." - Oscar Wilde I never thought I would be giving the warning about a drug. It was prescribed and believe me everyone out there, it was Hell to get off of. Just be careful of that stuff. I know now just because a doctor says it's okay, use your own common sense. a tranquilizer every day for years is not good. I feel much better now. ?
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" Know Yourself...And...Nothing In Excess " 2 Of The First Things That The Greeks Carved In Stone
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SurSteven:
" Know Yourself...And...Nothing In Excess " 2 Of The First Things That The Greeks Carved In Stone
Somehow I think the Greeks missed that last part when it came to sex!
(And the Romans missed it too!)
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^^ True.
??In my case I didn't have the luxury or time for a rehab facility. I would suggest anyone coming off anything to go to rehab as you can die if not properly supervised!
This is what it was like, no lie. Cold Turkey - John Lennon
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Nancy R:
SurSteven:
" Know Yourself...And...Nothing In Excess " 2 Of The First Things That The Greeks Carved In Stone
Somehow I think the Greeks missed that last part when it came to sex!
(And the Romans missed it too!)
That stone carving took place "before" the party!
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I quit cigarettes Cold Turkey many many years ago. It was a pouring rainstorm and I started going through ashtrays and the garbage looking for a bit left on a ciggy. I looked at what I was doing, and I disgusted myself enough to quit!! Was so glad I did, even though I gained weight at first.
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There is nothing special, or particularly desirable, in being drug and alcohol free. Hundreds of millions of people use mood-altering substances with appropriate moderation and care and not only suffer no ill effects but actually benefit in a variety of ways. Some, of course, get into serious trouble with them and may be better off abstaining entirely, but they form a small subset of users. The demonization of these substances is one of the great errors of modern society, and the "war on drugs" has done nothing but harm.
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I agree with just about everything you wrote Bruce, but I would add that I think alcohol has caused more harm to people than marijuana (which should be decriminalized)
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Bruce M.:
There is nothing special, or particularly desirable, in being drug and alcohol free. Hundreds of millions of people use mood-altering substances with appropriate moderation and care and not only suffer no ill effects but actually benefit in a variety of ways. Some, of course, get into serious trouble with them and may be better off abstaining entirely, but they form a small subset of users. The demonization of these substances is one of the great errors of modern society, and the "war on drugs" has done nothing but harm.
We cannot deny there is a wave of unnessessary prescription and heroin drug overdoses in the USA. Yes people should be able to take prescription drugs. People have anxiety, pain, and depression. But the ABUSE of drugs is what I am referring to, not therapeutic doses. And I was never referring to drugs prescribed to treat legitimate illness. I am not advocating the use, or non use, of "illegal drugs." Marijuana should be decriminalized. But no one should get stoned and drive around and put other people in danger. Alcohol has killed more people than any illegal drug. It is just as dangerous as any "illegal drug." Cigarettes are in the same group, but they are legal so the government can get tax money. Just like alcohol.
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Nancy R:
(I was an RN in the O.R. for 34 years)
Thank you for your service. People say that to soldiers, but why not nurses? Doctors get all the glory, but nurses do all the work. As Paul said, "What good is tennis when there isn't a ball?"
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HaileyMcComet:
Nancy R:
(I was an RN in the O.R. for 34 years)
Thank you for your service. People say that to soldiers, but why not nurses? Doctors get all the glory, but nurses do all the work. As Paul said, "What good is tennis when there isn't a ball?"
Thanks Hailey!
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love2travel:
I quit cigarettes Cold Turkey many many years ago. It was a pouring rainstorm and I started going through ashtrays and the garbage looking for a bit left on a ciggy. I looked at what I was doing, and I disgusted myself enough to quit!! Was so glad I did, even though I gained weight at first.
Did you gain weight at second and third as well?
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Nancy R:
HaileyMcComet:
Nancy R:
(I was an RN in the O.R. for 34 years)
Thank you for your service. People say that to soldiers, but why not nurses? Doctors get all the glory, but nurses do all the work. As Paul said, "What good is tennis when there isn't a ball?"
Thanks Hailey!
Amen to that!!
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Nancy R:
I agree with just about everything you wrote Bruce, but I would add that I think alcohol has caused more harm to people than marijuana (which should be decriminalized)
Triple Amen to that!!! Marijuana is already legal under the 1st Amendment when used in a "religious context". It has been used for Spiritual and Meditation and other reasons for centuries upon centuries.
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Nancy R:
I agree with just about everything you wrote Bruce, but I would add that I think alcohol has caused more harm to people than marijuana (which should be decriminalized)
Oh, there's absolutely no doubt that alcohol is more harmful than pot. It's more physically damaging, more likely to lead to dangerous behavior, and more addicting. One of the crazy things about most drug laws is they bear no relationship to the actual risks of the substances involved. That said, prohibition just doesn't work. It simply creates an underground market with all the violence and misery inevitably involved.
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Bruce M.:
Nancy R:
I agree with just about everything you wrote Bruce, but I would add that I think alcohol has caused more harm to people than marijuana (which should be decriminalized)
Oh, there's absolutely no doubt that alcohol is more harmful than pot. It's more physically damaging, more likely to lead to dangerous behavior, and more addicting. One of the crazy things about most drug laws is they bear no relationship to the actual risks of the substances involved. That said, prohibition just doesn't work. It simply creates an underground market with all the violence and misery inevitably involved.
Yeah - I've been watching The Making of the Mob: Chicago (and saw the NY one too) which graphically shows the results of Prohibition!
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"The Obama administration isn't going to reclassify marijuana and remove it from the list of the most dangerous drugs." CBS report http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/08/11/marijuana-classification/
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Andy_Shofar:
"The Obama administration isn't going to reclassify marijuana and remove it from the list of the most dangerous drugs." CBS report http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/08/11/marijuana-classification/
The Republicans and Conservatives were the one's who pushed to give it a harsher classification to begin with. Throughout history, it has always been the Liberals and Democratic minded people who push to decriminalize it. "A nurse practitioner and two former Democratic Governors filed petitions asking federal agencies to have marijuana reclassified as a drug with acceptable medical uses" (From the article link)
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SurSteven:
love2travel:
I quit cigarettes Cold Turkey many many years ago. It was a pouring rainstorm and I started going through ashtrays and the garbage looking for a bit left on a ciggy. I looked at what I was doing, and I disgusted myself enough to quit!! Was so glad I did, even though I gained weight at first.
Did you gain weight at second and third as well?
I was 110 lbs and went up to about 115 lbs if I recall
It's a wonder that they don't decriminalize pot, for the taxes alone, you would think they would. We have a couple of smoke shops in the area that seem to be waiting for it, they certainly don't look like tobacco or cigar shops with the psychedelic sign and all.
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SurSteven:
Andy_Shofar:
"The Obama administration isn't going to reclassify marijuana and remove it from the list of the most dangerous drugs." CBS report http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/08/11/marijuana-classification/
The Republicans and Conservatives were the one's who pushed to give it a harsher classification to begin with. Throughout history, it has always been the Liberals and Democratic minded people who push to decriminalize it. "A nurse practitioner and two former Democratic Governors filed petitions asking federal agencies to have marijuana reclassified as a drug with acceptable medical uses" (From the article link)
That's not entirely true. Absolutely the presidents who ratcheted up the drug war were Republicans -- Nixon and Reagan -- but many Democrats have pushed for tougher drug laws and mandatory minimum sentences. That includes Bill Clinton and Joe Biden. On the other hand, libertarian-leaning Republicans also typically oppose the war on drugs. I spent several years working for a marijuana legalization group (which shall remain nameless) and we often found that when we were trying to get something introduced in Congress to cut back the federal war on marijuana, the only people we could get to support it were Barney Frank and Ron Paul. It was all the Dems and Reps in the mushy middle who wouldn't touch us with a ten foot pole.