Contemporary Quantum Physics
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21st Century Paul:
lots of interesting stuff in this thread... I'm gonna say just 2 things to feed thought.... 1. Einstein said, about the quantum vacuum "If it really exists, then it is the only thing that exists" 2. When they say "the universe begun 13 bilion years ago" they're violating one of the main physics laws. Newton's "Energy can't be destroyed or created". You can have one or the other but not both.
The one thing that many scientists cannot quite grasp is the concept of infinity itself. Infinity implies FOREVER in all directions...including inward and outward as well. I believe that our universe is part of a basic 3 and 4 and 5 dimensional fabric. An ocean of side by side in all directions universes big banging...going into steady state and then collapsing back into a micro blackhole type singularity. The ZPF is exactly the same thing in the ultra micro and cycling trillions of times faster. An infinite infinite infinite ocean of universes from micro to macro in all directions. And, we live in between these oceans (size wise) in a single universe that is presently still in it's expansive phase. Matter turning into energy and back again creating waves in the process as it cycles and recycles forever and ever and ever inward and outward. Hence, my expansion on E=mc2....(E=mc2)<oO<....<oO< = Infinitely inward and outward in layers...One person's universe field is another person's zero point field........Am not sure how to explain it any clearer at the moment. All particles are filled with space and all space is filled with particles.
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A sound and color analogy... chro?mat?ic. 1.music relating to or using notes not belonging to the diatonic scale of the key in which a passage is written. 2.of, relating to, or produced by color.
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Halfway between pure black absolute zero hyper cold and maxi super condensed matter mass AND a pure field of ultra hot expanded boiling clarity and maxi activity energy....is the field of light and sound which exists at the point where mass and energy touch.
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SurSteven:
21st Century Paul:
SurSteven:
"I don't know if that's related to waves or not. Certainly every note is a different wave. And any musical instrument has a signature wave, etc. The "kind of sound" is just the kind of wave. Some musical styles and instruments can be related to colours... like any genre of art. But I don't know if synesthesia is about that. For instance, Red and black are about anger, passion, and even crime etc. It's the colour of heavy metal and the colour of movies about crime. Movie directors know this and that kind of movies are dark and black, think the Godfather. Same for painters, etc." ~ 21st Century Paul Black is not a color. Black is the absence of color. Black absorbs all color waves and does not reflect them back. White is the combination of all color. When white light is shown through a prism it is divided into the various colored waves of the visible light spectrum. **When people use the terms white and black to describe skin color, they are absolutely 1,000% in error. All people are colored. Even the lightest skinned albinos and the darkest skinned negroes do not come close to what is pure white and pure black.**Red is a longer wave than blue is. There are more blue waves in a centimeter than there are red waves. More waves per centimeter represent more binaric information. This, ironically is evident in politics where Democrats are blue and Republicans are red. As far as waves go, radio waves can be converted into sound waves and vice versa. A wave is a wave is a wave is a wave as particles are particles are particles and energy is energy. And what we observe around us with our senses and finer senses is a highly varied hybridization of these 3 basic realities. Blue Light The visible blue light has a wavelength of about 475 nm. Because the blue wavelengths are shorter in the visible spectrum, they are scattered more efficiently by the molecules in the atmosphere. This causes the sky to appear blue. Red Light The visible red light has a wavelength of about 650 nm. At sunrise and sunset, red or orange colors are present because the wavelengths associated with these colors are less efficiently scattered by the atmosphere than the shorter wavelength colors (e.g., blue and purple). A large amount of blue and violet light has been removed as a result of scattering and the longwave colors, such as red and orange, are more readily seen. http://science-edu.larc.nasa.gov/EDDOCS/Wavelengths_for_Colors.html
yes, that's it, black is the absence of light, not a colour, and white is pure light, all the colours. I didn't want to overcomplicate it.
Describing what it actually is simplifies it, not complicates it.
Depends on who you are talking with, lol. Kind of over 99.9 % of people believes black and white are colours. I sometimes tell people they're not, and, as they don't believe it, I do the explanation of the Newton experiments... In the end, I just forget about it, I would have to correct people all the time.
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SurSteven:
21st Century Paul:
lots of interesting stuff in this thread... I'm gonna say just 2 things to feed thought.... 1. Einstein said, about the quantum vacuum "If it really exists, then it is the only thing that exists" 2. When they say "the universe begun 13 bilion years ago" they're violating one of the main physics laws. Newton's "Energy can't be destroyed or created". You can have one or the other but not both.
The one thing that many scientists cannot quite grasp is the concept of infinity itself. Infinity implies FOREVER in all directions...including inward and outward as well. I believe that our universe is part of a basic 3 and 4 and 5 dimensional fabric. An ocean of side by side in all directions universes big banging...going into steady state and then collapsing back into a micro blackhole type singularity. The ZPF is exactly the same thing in the ultra micro and cycling trillions of times faster. An infinite infinite infinite ocean of universes from micro to macro in all directions. And, we live in between these oceans (size wise) in a single universe that is presently still in it's expansive phase. Matter turning into energy and back again creating waves in the process as it cycles and recycles forever and ever and ever inward and outward. Hence, my expansion on E=mc2....(E=mc2)<oO<....<oO< = Infinitely inward and outward in layers...One person's universe field is another person's zero point field........Am not sure how to explain it any clearer at the moment. All particles are filled with space and all space is filled with particles.
It's not easy for me to understand all that, specially in English... Your last quote reminds me of Buddah's "Emptiness is form, form is emptiness". A particle must have space to have mass, to really exist. And space must have something inside to exist too. So kind of "space are particles/matter, particles/matter is space". I get that. Like John Lennon said "Everything is the oppossite of what it is!" What I don't get the multi-dimension thing. Some say, "there are 10 dimensions" like if that would explain something, no way to prove it and anyway why 10 instead of 11, or infinite dimensions, is the same problem again, the SIZE. This time the number of dimensions. Yet another genius quote. Einstein "If you can't explain it to a six year old, you don't understand it yourself" I mean truth is not complicated when you understand it but we're dealing with the most complicated stuff. The concept we don't get is infinity. It means not limited, not defined. And if it's not defined, of course we can't understand it. It's kind of trying to define the not defined. I guess there is no way. Kind of a trick question. But we can try with the rest.
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SurSteven:
Halfway between pure black absolute zero hyper cold and maxi super condensed matter mass AND a pure field of ultra hot expanded boiling clarity and maxi activity energy....is the field of light and sound which exists at the point where mass and energy touch.
that's the warm between the cold and the hot, the balance in the middle of the yes and the no, "the answer to it all" for Paul, the balance between the yin and the yang, the positive and the negative... the star and the black hole... Just like we live "at the point where heat and cold touch". It's all the same.
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21st Century Paul:
SurSteven:
Halfway between pure black absolute zero hyper cold and maxi super condensed matter mass AND a pure field of ultra hot expanded boiling clarity and maxi activity energy....is the field of light and sound which exists at the point where mass and energy touch.
that's the warm between the cold and the hot, the balance in the middle of the yes and the no, "the answer to it all" for Paul, the balance between the yin and the yang, the positive and the negative... the star and the black hole... Just like we live "at the point where heat and cold touch". It's all the same.
Yep...that delicate perfect balance zone between two incredible extremes...which allows us the inner and outer senses...to perceive the inner and outer heavens.
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SurSteven:
21st Century Paul:
SurSteven:
Halfway between pure black absolute zero hyper cold and maxi super condensed matter mass AND a pure field of ultra hot expanded boiling clarity and maxi activity energy....is the field of light and sound which exists at the point where mass and energy touch.
that's the warm between the cold and the hot, the balance in the middle of the yes and the no, "the answer to it all" for Paul, the balance between the yin and the yang, the positive and the negative... the star and the black hole... Just like we live "at the point where heat and cold touch". It's all the same.
Yep...that delicate perfect balance zone between two incredible extremes...which allows us the inner and outer senses...to perceive the inner and outer heavens.
Once you realize this Goldilocks concept... If you can just let go of all the extraneous...it's a paradise for the enjoyment of everyone on Earth. Why then, are we fighting and destroying this perfect coalescence of the stardust from our Universe? We look around in wonder, at the work that has been done...
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Exactly!
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love2travel:
SurSteven:
21st Century Paul:
SurSteven:
Halfway between pure black absolute zero hyper cold and maxi super condensed matter mass AND a pure field of ultra hot expanded boiling clarity and maxi activity energy....is the field of light and sound which exists at the point where mass and energy touch.
that's the warm between the cold and the hot, the balance in the middle of the yes and the no, "the answer to it all" for Paul, the balance between the yin and the yang, the positive and the negative... the star and the black hole... Just like we live "at the point where heat and cold touch". It's all the same.
Yep...that delicate perfect balance zone between two incredible extremes...which allows us the inner and outer senses...to perceive the inner and outer heavens.
Once you realize this Goldilocks concept... If you can just let go of all the extraneous...it's a paradise for the enjoyment of everyone on Earth. Why then, are we fighting and destroying this perfect coalescence of the stardust from our Universe? We look around in wonder, at the work that has been done...
because we all are not "in balance", "some people want to abuse you, some people want to be abused" etc. The sweet spot is the balance but it's not the only existing thing. Actually the balance is the rarest thing of them all. Like, for a start, only the Earth climate is good for life in the Sun system (quite a huge place!). And not even all the places on Earth... And we all strive for the same balance...
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I've read and thought a little about infinity, and I've found 3 main theories: A Everything is infinite. The smallest things too. I think that's SurSteven theory too. Da Vinci says that if all is infinite then "The Part is Equal to the Whole". Lennon quotes were mostly about this, like "You are here" we're all one like the start of I am the walrus. B Some things are infinite and some are finite. Plato's style, some things are eternal, unchangeable, etc and the source of the finites ones. "The part is inside the Whole" C Nothing is infinite. "The part is in the whole and the whole is in the part". Like the Indra's net/Internet metaphor. All is connected but also limited. Paul is mostly about this: "God is in everything. God is in the space between us. God is in the table in front of you." but also "God is a force we are all part of."
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Exactly, Oliver!!! I believe that we are surrounded and permeated by a life force field. Finely hewn as we go inward, and slower and coarser as we go outward. God/Love/Life...Is...EVERYWHERE! Like the actual originals have said for years... "For In Him We Live And Move And Have Our Being" ~ Apostle Paul Acts 17:28 N.T. KJV 25Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. 30And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. There Is A Mrs. God Spirit as Well...As Pointed Out in The First Part Of The Bible And Referenced In The Passive Side Of The...Active/Passive...Yin Yang Symbol...And In Many Other Belief Systems "Days Unwind...Love's A State Of Mind" ~ Stevie This just happened to be being sung over and over in my headphones as I was finishing this post.
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SurSteven:
Exactly, Oliver!!! I believe that we are surrounded and permeated by a life force field. Finely hewn as we go inward, and slower and coarser as we go outward. God/Love/Life...Is...EVERYWHERE! Like the actual originals have said for years... "For In Him We Live And Move And Have Our Being" ~ Apostle Paul Acts 17:28 N.T. KJV 25Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. 30And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. There Is A Mrs. God Spirit as Well...As Pointed Out in The First Part Of The Bible And Referenced In The Passive Side Of The...Active/Passive...Yin Yang Symbol...And In Many Other Belief Systems "Days Unwind...Love's A State Of Mind" ~ Stevie This just happened to be being sung over and over in my headphones as I was finishing this post.
I kind of think like you, but one of the problems is to call it God, cause that seems to point to the God of whatever religion, and "just like that religion" describes it. I meant not God as "a personal God" sort of like the Roman gods, not a old men in the sky looking like Plato. But something else that is extremely hard to describe. Jesus said "God is within you/The Kingdom of heaven is within you", so you've got The part (a person) in the Whole (God) as you say, and the Whole in the part. Kind of like the third theory I said. But that implies "Nothing is infinite"... Not even "God" or whatever force... and that doesn't mix well with Christian religion... But well, since there are "independent people with free will" God is limited if ever to people's will. So people can "go wrong/do evil/do silly things"etc in spite of the existence of God. Even the new Pope said recently he can't explain how "bad things happen if God exist"... Even supergeniuses disagree about all this, they have opposites opinions, so not an easy question. Here is Victor Hugo about it: "Does there exist an Infinity outside ourselves? Is that infinity One, immanent and permanent, necessarily having substance, since He is infinite and if He lacked matter He would be limited, necessarily possessing intelligence since He is infinite and, lacking intelligence, He would be in that sense finite. Does this Infinity inspire in us the idea of essense, while to ourselves we can only attribute the idea of existence? In order words, is He not the whole of which we are but the part?" Paul long and CONTROVERSIAL quote:" [LSD made me] a better, more honest, more tolerant member of society - brought closer to God... It [my first LSD trip] lasted about six hours. In that time you realize things as if you were having lesson. This opened my eyes to the fact that there is a God. A similar experience would probably do some of our clergy some good. It is obvious that God isn't in a pill but it explained the mystery of life. It was truly a religious experience. I had never realized what people were talking about when they said God is within you, that He is love and truth. The only image I had was of an old man in the sky with a long beard. I'm saying that I intend devoting myself to the church or anything like that. To me it is more personal than that. God is a force we are all part of. But it means that I now believe the answer to everything is love."
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I think IT, no matter how we call it, it's not infinite but limited. Just that we get time and space wrong. Just like when we feel our best, we see things as they are... and time seems to dissappear... even space... all seems to fly away... That points to that time and space are not what we use to think they are. So "limits" are not we think they are. So you can say it's not "limited" either, lol... It's limited and finite "in it's own way"... (the yin and yang, the existence and not existence, the energy and the matter or whatever....) Just like when they say "time on the quantum vacuum is unlike the Newtonian time" (?) so what the heck it is then? So there is time in the quantum vacuum but it's not Time as we think it is. But I've never read any explanation going deeper about that "quantum vacuum time".
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"Paul long and CONTROVERSIAL quote:" [LSD made me] a better, more honest, more tolerant member of society - brought closer to God... It [my first LSD trip] lasted about six hours. In that time you realize things as if you were having lesson. This opened my eyes to the fact that there is a God. A similar experience would probably do some of our clergy some good. It is obvious that God isn't in a pill but it explained the mystery of life. It was truly a religious experience. I had never realized what people were talking about when they said God is within you, that He is love and truth. The only image I had was of an old man in the sky with a long beard. I'm saying that I intend devoting myself to the church or anything like that. To me it is more personal than that. God is a force we are all part of. But it means that I now believe the answer to everything is love." Religions and metaphysical opinions will continue to vary until the time arrives for them to understand the simplicity in Paul's statement..."And they shall know the truth and the truth will set them free" ~ Jesus In a world of divided and denominationalized religions (man's religions) Jesus attempted to bring us God's religion, and now today there are many, many many people who understand that. But, it cannot be found with the mind...it can only be found with the heart.
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SurSteven:
"Paul long and CONTROVERSIAL quote:" [LSD made me] a better, more honest, more tolerant member of society - brought closer to God... It [my first LSD trip] lasted about six hours. In that time you realize things as if you were having lesson. This opened my eyes to the fact that there is a God. A similar experience would probably do some of our clergy some good. It is obvious that God isn't in a pill but it explained the mystery of life. It was truly a religious experience. I had never realized what people were talking about when they said God is within you, that He is love and truth. The only image I had was of an old man in the sky with a long beard. I'm saying that I intend devoting myself to the church or anything like that. To me it is more personal than that. God is a force we are all part of. But it means that I now believe the answer to everything is love." Religions and metaphysical opinions will continue to vary until the time arrives for them to understand the simplicity in Paul's statement..."And they shall know the truth and the truth will set them free" ~ Jesus In a world of divided and denominationalized religions (man's religions) Jesus attempted to bring us God's religion, and now today there are many, many many people who understand that. But, it cannot be found with the mind...it can only be found with the heart.
funny cause I was gonna say the same about the mind I mean. about science, all that about the part, the whole, infinity, can't be understood by "a lot of thinking". Thinking takes you to passive mode, to "yan", out of balance... For instance, Einstein best ideas were not the result of hours of thinking in a room but happened in the middle of long walks (they clear your mind), or Newton gravity's idea happened in the outdoors... just like Paul happened to write his best stuff while driving a car, etc.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_experience This is what makes you realize of truth... as Paul said "you can't ask it to Buddah and then you have the answer, it's all a lot of layers you must penetrate" Or So, lol... "the deeper you go, the higher you fly" and all that... and "the higher the fly, the deeper you go" etc that lyrics are just the thing... Some things "peak experiences" have in common: loss of judgment to TIME AND SPACE they lead you to your best "performance", if you're a scientist, you'll make your greatest discovery, you'll see things as they really are... so that strange judgement of time and space is how time and space really are!!! "at one with the world" some say now... "the part returns to the whole" Da Vinci said. Anyway science already says time and space are not what people think they are. People (over 99%) think about time and space the Newton way, not the Einstein way. And then there is how time is on a quantuum scenario (how things are if we can see them closer and with more detail...). I think I don't get much but it's sure different from what we use to call Time, that is just "in our heads"
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When the earth was flat, I thought as a square But, when the earth became round I put square things behind me Yes...peeling through the layers of the glass onion
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I've really enjoyed your posts! Trying to read a book on Infinity, however the math is hard to follow. "Man's unhappiness, as I construe, comes from his greatness; it is because there is an Infinite in him, which with all his cunning he cannot quite bury under the Finite. Thomas Carlyle (1795 - 1881)
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in Beatles lingo, the sweet spot, the balance of the energies can be called the point where... The Love You Take Is Equal To The Love You Make the thing that I don't agree with most of religions is they are submissive, all about giving and forgiving... When, for instance Buddha and Jesus weren't like that. Buddha found "the middle way" between those 2 oppossites and Jesus was about "love people as you love yourself", not "love people more than you love yourself" or so... He said "Mercy, not sacrifice!". But it has been twisted into "sacrifice yourself and then you'll happy after your death". But Jesus message was anything but that. "Kingdom of God is in you", now. Not after your death. He never said a thing about an "afterlife", as far as I know.... Lennon was right, as usual: "Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It's them twisting it that ruins it for me" But wasn't this thread about physics?
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"Lennon was right, as usual: "Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It's them twisting it that ruins it for me" Amen!!! But wasn't this thread about physics?" Quantum Physics and Metaphysics and this.