Contemporary Quantum Physics
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love2travel:
They should have asked you about it! What do you recommend regarding learning more about the zero point energy field? I'm borrowing a book about Tesla. Also was just reading about someone who ran a car for 200 miles on 2 gallons of gas. Wish we could find that technology.
"Scientists are not in agreement about how much energy is contained in the vacuum" Here's a pretty good overall collection of thoughts on the subject... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy
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SurSteven:
love2travel:
They should have asked you about it! What do you recommend regarding learning more about the zero point energy field? I'm borrowing a book about Tesla. Also was just reading about someone who ran a car for 200 miles on 2 gallons of gas. Wish we could find that technology.
"Scientists are not in agreement about how much energy is contained in the vacuum" Here's a pretty good overall collection of thoughts on the subject... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy
Yes, I was trying to read and understand it...my physics has only ever been from magazines and You Tube... Was querying my nephew this weekend, who suggested I try taking some physics classes at a local college, or go to lectures. That's probably what I should do. Or find a Quantum Physicist professor at my local Univ. who enjoys splainin' some of this theory and get tutored!
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Episode 5 and 6 of Stephen's GENIUS shows are AWESOME!!! Everyone has an inner genius!
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Greetings from Laniakea! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laniakea_Supercluster The arrow pointer in Russian says, "You Are Here"
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I still have to watch segment 6, very powerful demonstration of the lifetime of our planet in visible terms. Great photo of the web of space! Looks a bit like a web of neurons, or the web from a plasma ball... Here's a nice video of Laniakea I like the view in this video, with the red and blue!
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Neurons indeed! Patterns in life seem to reduplicate themselves on small and incredibly large scales with 3 basic components...Particles, Waves and Energies. "Didn't realize the plasma ball was related to Tesla! Cool " Or, is Tesla related to the plasma ball? That is a really cool video that you posted!!!
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lots of interesting stuff in this thread... I'm gonna say just 2 things to feed thought.... 1. Einstein said, about the quantum vacuum "If it really exists, then it is the only thing that exists" 2. When they say "the universe begun 13 bilion years ago" they're violating one of the main physics laws. Newton's "Energy can't be destroyed or created". You can have one or the other but not both.
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21st Century Paul:
lots of interesting stuff in this thread... I'm gonna say just 2 things to feed thought.... 1. Einstein said, about the quantum vacuum "If it really exists, then it is the only thing that exists" 2. When they say "the universe begun 13 bilion years ago" they're violating one of the main physics laws. Newton's "Energy can't be destroyed or created". You can have one or the other but not both.
Great to see you, Oliver! Thanks for joining in! Yes... I believe that our immediate universe, and all universes whether micro or macro, are cyclical in nature converting from mass into energy and back again in a never ending process, because like your quote implied, "Energy cannot be created or destroyed". We simply, and with incredible complexity live in a never ending process of mass converting into energy and back again in many different ways and at many different speeds. Perpetual Motion Machines...was one of my science projects in middle school. Scientists used to suggest that we couldn't exist if there was more energy or more mass in the universe because we would eventually turn into one or the other and stop progressing. This is when I began to understand that matter and energy are the same thing in different forms. I now envision the Quantum Vacuum as being equivalent to the theorized Zero Point Energy Field and Aether Field. I refer to it as the Life Force Field now. In our world of causal events in the atom plane, I think of this finely hewn field as being on the leading edge of our collective progression forward. The Prime Directive from Star Trek comes to mind. I too, catch these contradictions in physics theories, but maybe it's just part of our refined thinking learning process? On the macro side, what if our immediate universe is simply a particle in an even larger universe?
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SurSteven:
21st Century Paul:
lots of interesting stuff in this thread... I'm gonna say just 2 things to feed thought.... 1. Einstein said, about the quantum vacuum "If it really exists, then it is the only thing that exists" 2. When they say "the universe begun 13 bilion years ago" they're violating one of the main physics laws. Newton's "Energy can't be destroyed or created". You can have one or the other but not both.
Great to see you, Oliver! Thanks for joining in! Yes... I believe that our immediate universe, and all universes whether micro or macro, are cyclical in nature converting from mass into energy and back again in a never ending process, because like your quote implied, "Energy cannot be created or destroyed". We simply, and with incredible complexity live in a never ending process of mass converting into energy and back again in many different ways and at many different speeds. Perpetual Motion Machines...was one of my science projects in middle school. Scientists used to suggest that we couldn't exist if there was more energy or more mass in the universe because we would eventually turn into one or the other and stop progressing. This is when I began to understand that matter and energy are the same thing in different forms. I now envision the Quantum Vacuum as being equivalent to the theorized Zero Point Energy Field and Aether Field. I refer to it as the Life Force Field now. In our world of causal events in the atom plane, I think of this finely hewn field as being on the leading edge of our collective progression forward. The Prime Directive from Star Trek comes to mind. I too, catch these contradictions in physics theories, but maybe it's just part of our refined thinking learning process? On the macro side, what if our immediate universe is simply a particle in an even larger universe?
i think what you mean about "a never ending process" is similar to the classic, pre-Newton "eternal return". But did the cycle of cycles had a start? It's kind of the same problem only bigger. As far as I know the Quantum Vacuum is the Zero Point Energy. It's amazing how hard is to find info about that, even is the deepest thing we know, and already Einstein theorized about it, it's not something "new". Matter and energy are the same, that's what Einstein proved. And matter and space are the same too. So space is energy. And that's the Quantum Vaccum or so... once you got space you've got energy. then we're back to the same old question and contradictions because science is this way. I don't believe any science point of view, no matter if Newton, Einstein, Hawking or the views of one thousand years ago. They are too intelectual, like if all could be "understood" just by thinking. And there's no way of doing that. I'm with artists, Paul, John, or let's say Da Vinci. Some Paul quotes I agree with:" God is a force we are all part of. " That's kind of not believing in God, but saying "God" is all, even the worst things you can imagine. And that no way can't be understood by science though, and I don't know if there is a single religion believing that. There's an interview where he says (or was it John?) that you can't go and ask... Buddha, for instance, to explain all to you, but reality is like an onion with lots of layers and must peel it yourself. Kind of what he sings "buried below 1000 layers is the answer to it all..." So it can't be "teached at school", universities or whatever and that's what science don't get. It can't be preached either. If that was possible we all be instantly wise or so... "refined thinking" is not the way to go... it all ends in silly conclusions (like and what "happened before the before"?. The greatest discovered truths come in bursts of inspiration, not after thinking a lot. Newton theories don't make sense and Einstein don't make sense. But they were pretty hard to be debunked so they were pretty good theories anyway. Da Vinci said: "The poet ranks far below the painter in the representation of visible things, and far below the musician in that of invisible things". What we don't know about it all, time and space is better represented by music than by words. Music is not matter, but maths, and it can't be created or destroyed, only discovered, but all the music is already "there". Also Da Vinci said the origin of it all is "Nothingness", "what the mathematics call the number zero" Just what the say now "the origin of the universe was NOTHING", they mean the Vacuum, no thing. Too much refined thinking, I'm going to bed. PS "On the macro side, what if our immediate universe is simply a particle in an even larger universe?" Anyway, all is conected. It would be like our atoms seems like sun systems yet they're part of something bigger and interacting with it. It's just ONE anyway. Just like whatever subatomic particles are still of the universe. It's just ONE but still is MANY. We're conected but we're not the same.
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SurSteven:
love2travel:
They should have asked you about it! What do you recommend regarding learning more about the zero point energy field? I'm borrowing a book about Tesla. Also was just reading about someone who ran a car for 200 miles on 2 gallons of gas. Wish we could find that technology.
"Scientists are not in agreement about how much energy is contained in the vacuum" Here's a pretty good overall collection of thoughts on the subject... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy
still not many info, as I say, is hard to find info about that....
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SurSteven:
Neurons indeed! Patterns in life seem to reduplicate themselves on small and incredibly large scales with 3 basic components...Particles, Waves and Energies.
It's all waves and vibrations. Fluctuations between a high and a low, between a "yes" and a "no". Between existing and not existing. Then you have "something exists" and fluctuates, instead of "Nothing exists" or "Everything exists". "Why There Is Something Rather Than Nothing"is one of the typical "silly science questions. Is just the same, in the top you have "Everything can exist" and on the other side "Nothing can exist" so you get "Something can exist" just like a wave... is so simple that is not for science. They use to think of it as "why there is everything instead of nothing" and sure everything doesn't exists. Only certain things do, and for a certain time. Even gravity fluctuates, it's not constant. (And guess what's all about waves? Music! The art of combining sound waves. ) "You say yes, I say no, You say Stop, I say go, go, go. Oh, no. You say goodbye and I say Hello. ... The answer to everything is simple, It's a song about everything and nothing. Stop-go. Yes-no. if you have black you also have white. That's the amazing thing about life, all the time." Paul
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^ I think that maybe too much blood has been rushing to your head in your upside down photo.
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SurSteven:
^ I think that maybe too much blood has been rushing to your head in your upside down photo.
... not really The thing about "multiple universes" is one of the silly science things. Universe means all that exists. So there can't be several universes. There can be very different parts of it, layers of it, whatever, but not more than one. Is kind of like "What happened before the start of time?" : I think Hawking said "that's like asking what lies north of the north pole?" Those are not hard-to-answer questions. Those are questions that make no sense. It's like asking "How tall is the King of France?" (there's no King of France!) Or... "How did you slept tomorrow?" or "I like sunny nights"... or that joke: A Spanish space mission boss said"We will land on the Sun...". "You can't, it's too hot for the ship, it will just melt", said the Americans. The Spanish replied:"Don't be silly, we'll land at night" : Not me with too much blood, maybe them with too little.
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I do agree. Uni Verse actually means... ONE VERSE... 1 (v?rs) n. 1. a. A single metrical line in a poetic composition; one line of poetry. b. A division of a metrical composition, such as a stanza of a poem or hymn. When the earth was flat, it was a lot easier to understand I guess. Since we have referred to our immediate remnants of the Big Bang as the Universe for so long, it would probably be more contemporarily factual to refer to the greater universe as The Infinite Universe of Universes. If waves were all that existed, unfortunately there would be no substance to reality and all that we would be is...audio and visual holograms.
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SurSteven:
If waves were all that existed, unfortunately there would be no substance to reality and all that we would be is...audio and visual holograms.
"waves and vibrations" All vibrates, oscilates, spins round, etc. Like heat is a vibration, for instance. Colours are waves, etc. Sounds are waves... call it holograms or perception. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter_wave "Concerning matter, we have been all wrong. What we have called matter is energy, whose vibration has been so lowered as to be perceptible to the senses. There is no matter." Albert Einstein http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/161207-concerning-matter-we-have-been-all-wrong-what-we-have Wave/particle "duality", even electrons are waves. http://www.colorado.edu/physics/2000/quantumzone/debroglie.html wiki: "Through the work of Max Planck, Albert Einstein, Louis de Broglie, Arthur Compton, Niels Bohr, and many others, current scientific theory holds that all particles also have a wave nature (and vice versa).[2] This phenomenon has been verified not only for elementary particles, but also for compound particles like atoms and even molecules"
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anyway I'm not in discussing anything if it's not useful... (I'm not a philosopher!) waves or whatever... once thing I'm interested lately is about Clarity. The one thing all people I admire, whether alive or dead, whether I know them in person or not... seem to believe is that when you feel your best you see things closer to how they really are... and also you see really what is best for you, you realize what you should do in life, etc. Okey, that seems pretty true. But lately I've seen that you can realize of many important things when you're at your worst or so. Like, "this is hurting me", and classic "clarity" doesn't show you that. I also feel that if sooo many people agree with the "clarity" thing then it's not something so special really. I don't know, but I doubt that it's only clarity that makes you "see the light" really.
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SurSteven:
A For warp drive to work correctly, we would have to gather the aethers ahead of us in their collapsing phase with an exotic magnetic field and tranfer them behind us before they go into their expansive phase. .
Maybe you already know this: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/187346-nasa-tests-impossible-no-fuel-quantum-space-engine-and-it-actually-works
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A comment I made much earlier in the thread... "Have had some more thoughts on warp drive. A tractor beam phased to the collapsing cycle of the aetherz on the front of our spaceship and an energy beam on the back phased to the expanding cycle of the aetherz." Having a clear idea as to the difference between potential and kinetic energy is critical in understanding physics with clarity.
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this is link is more recent https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/04/evaluating-nasas-futuristic-em-drive/ They call it "EM Drive" an excerpt "A group at NASA's Johnson Space Center has successfully tested an electromagnetic (EM) propulsion drive in a vacuum - a major breakthrough for a multi-year international effort comprising several competing research teams. Thrust measurements of the EM Drive defy classical physics' expectations that such a closed (microwave) cavity should be unusable for space propulsion because of the law of conservation of momentum." And this is from March http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3509774/Is-Nasa-s-impossible-fuel-free-thruster-step-closer-reality-Controversial-EmDrive-finally-undergo-peer-review.html But well, I haven't find any info bout this coming from Nasa, so it can be a fake story. The one confirmed by the Nasa is the plasma/Star Trek-like motor of Chang Diaz, being build now for trips to Mars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Chang_D%C3%ADaz#Post-NASA_career
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21st Century Paul:
SurSteven:
love2travel:
They should have asked you about it! What do you recommend regarding learning more about the zero point energy field? I'm borrowing a book about Tesla. Also was just reading about someone who ran a car for 200 miles on 2 gallons of gas. Wish we could find that technology.
"Scientists are not in agreement about how much energy is contained in the vacuum" Here's a pretty good overall collection of thoughts on the subject... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy
still not many info, as I say, is hard to find info about that....
Thanks for posting all of this info! Have been watching the Genius series by Hawking, which has been very eye opening, yet put into a very understandable explanation, for most people! For example, in the episode 6 there was a demonstration of a laser on shore shined out onto a seemingly flat lake. As the boat went further from shore, on the seemingly "flat" lake...when measured, the known level laser, showed a water level significantly lower due to the curvature of the Earth. That was shocking to me. As well as an earlier episode, explaining parallel universe combinations. The numbers are just astounding to someone like myself, a non physics student! You have a lot of good information in these posts, which I'll follow up on. Short of going back to school, I'm trying to understand the basic concepts, minus the formulas, which are complex if one is not in school with a professor. Am particularly interested in the zero-point energy field, because of Tesla's ideas and the potential as a game changer in the impact to our planet! Hopefully Hawking could explain this with the same clarity as he did with other subjects on the shows.