Poor ticket sales in Germany
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....hope he has not to play in front of half empty venues....maybe he gambled too high with ticket prices. I never understood why a billionaire prfers money at this age than fully packed venues...that would be the case with normal prices....dont get me wrong....saw him around 30 x live but the older artists get the cheaper tickets must be to fill stadiums with non hard core fans.....as artists are less hipp
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Steffen72:
....hope he has not to play in front of half empty venues....maybe he gambled too high with ticket prices. I never understood why a billionaire prfers money at this age than fully packed venues...that would be the case with normal prices....dont get me wrong....saw him around 30 x live but the older artists get the cheaper tickets must be to fill stadiums with non hard core fans.....as artists are less hipp
I agree. Why not play smaller venues for packed houses and charge less? I think it is ego, and facing mortality. Granted, he is a huge star and can charge, but he doesn't NEED to. I hope he has full or almost full arenas in Germany.
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It's probably because he's playing in three big places in Germany. With about 140,000 overall capacity, if he played in one of those places he would sell out instantly. Also over charging hasn't stopped him in the past as in London last year he sold the o2 Arena out in 20 minutes, but of course was a much smaller capacity
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considering the ticket prices for the prague concert it's really a question who tries too earn good money except Paul. The most expensiv seat in prague is listed according to o2arena.cz with ~ 147 Euro / 3990 Kc. In Berlin, Düsseldorf and Munich u've to pay 215 - 233 Euro. The Difference can't result on our local taxes for foreign artists or the local venue expenditures.
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I don't think Paul has that much to do with that. Not that he doesn't have a say , but I think (but I am not sure about that) he asks a fixed sum for a gig. The promoter then says the ticket prices. The more he asks the bigger his profit is, if he sells those tickets. If he doesn't it is his problem, Paul gets his money either way and it is the promoter's gamble. Of course, artists like Paul, The Stones and such charge a lot for their gigs, which itself sets the basics for the prices quite high, but that is as far as it goes, I think. The fact that tickets are way more expensive in Germany than in other countries, doesn't mean Paul gets more. In other words - if promoters in Germany were happy with the same money as the promoters in Spain, the tickets would cost the same.Of course, if the prices were lower, the stadius would sell out without any problem, the final promoter's profit would be higher more people would be able to attend and Paul would play to full stadiums, everybody would win. But there is always the possibility, that the overpriced tickets would sell too, which is just too big a temptation for the promoters, I guess. Edit - pretty much what mr.flamingpe wrote - prices for Prague are waaaay lower than in Germany, and it is an arena with less tickets being sold. My guess is, that Paul actually asks for exactly the same money. The difference is up to the promoters.
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Well its also an image problem....people might say he cant get enough.....and wont come in the end. I always thought its promoters issue....but then one friend explained to me that in the end he certainly knows exactly whats going on. He is a perfectionist and control freak...hence he could say max prices are x y z. Or even charge less for a gig snd ask promoters to cap prices....now imo he has a huge problem....düsseldorf wont be half sold....and far away for 140000 tickets. Berlin is 22k, munich with stage turned max 35 to 40k, düsseldorf max 30k....
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Which gig are selling bad? I bought two tickets for Waldbuhne (week ago) and there were only backseats available (on the last lines) I thought that Waldbuhne is almost sold out? Was I wrong?
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u should check it this:http://www.eventim.de/paul-mccartney-tickets.html?affiliate=EVE&doc=artistPages/tickets&fun=artist&action=tickets&kuid=487 For the Waldbühne concert we don't know it exactly (cause seats or not numbered). Click at the seating charts for Düsseldorf and Munich and u'll see it. By the way I saw a promotion in our tv newspaper today... I don't know when his happenend the last time.
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really???
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mr.flamingpie:
u should check it this:http://www.eventim.de/paul-mccartney-tickets.html?affiliate=EVE&doc=artistPages/tickets&fun=artist&action=tickets&kuid=487 For the Waldbühne concert we don't know it exactly (cause seats or not numbered). Click at the seating charts for Düsseldorf and Munich and u'll see it. By the way I saw a promotion in our tv newspaper today... I don't know when his happenend the last time.
All good Tickets are more or less sold....It will look ok on the day, don't worry. I agree prices are too high in Germany. However, agreeing on prices is a process, it's not only the artist's fault. Basically the artist names his price for the show. Then the promoter has to make a calculation with his costs, inclusive of venue, staff, advertising, tax, etc. a 25% extra tax is levied onto the artist's share (only in Germany thanks to the Kohl administration). With all this taken into calculation the promoter then suggests ticket prices to the artist. Then a lof of haggling goes on, promoter explains WHY it is ok to charge this much, artists usually want to keep prices low. Finally an agreement is reached, never without the artists consent. Ticket prices are part of the contract they make. If promoter has got it wrong, he stands to loose money as the artist, the venue and the tax are always paid first. But booking the Open Air Venues in Germany was a mistake, I was sure about that the minute I read it.... Sold out arenas would have been much better......
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P.S. I worked in the Music biz in Germany for 10 years, so I remember how things were done there, but I can't account for recent changes to these practices.
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Petra,....thanks for your feedback...but isnt it Pauls final decision how expensive tickets will be? Normal music fans really say he cant get enough the dagobert duck of music biz....
what do you think promoters will do when half stadium is empty lets say 6 weeks prior the event? Do they dare that macca plays in front of an half empty venue? 2003 he already failed to sell out gelsenkirchen arena then promoter moved to arena in oberhausen telling public he needs pa equipment for the huge rome event. Which was nonsense but ok they couldnt say the truth that just 12k of 60k tickets were sold....well lets see.... -
Steffen72:
Petra,....thanks for your feedback...but isnt it Pauls final decision how expensive tickets will be? Normal music fans really say he cant get enough the dagobert duck of music biz....
what do you think promoters will do when half stadium is empty lets say 6 weeks prior the event? Do they dare that macca plays in front of an half empty venue? 2003 he already failed to sell out gelsenkirchen arena then promoter moved to arena in oberhausen telling public he needs pa equipment for the huge rome event. Which was nonsense but ok they couldnt say the truth that just 12k of 60k tickets were sold....well lets see....As I said, the artist has to agree to the ticket prices proposed by the promoter, however the promoter will try to explain that price x is necessary to cover all cost, etc. I don't think Paul himself will charge more in Germany than in France, Holland or Scandinavia, but he'll probably lower his prices a little for Prague and Spain. IF too few tickets are sold like in Gelsenkirchen, the promoter can move the event to a smaller venue. They have to tell Paul the truth as weekly ticket sales are communicated to the artist's management anyway. Look at Munich, the whole arena floor seems to be sold out. There are a lot of seats in the stalls still, but I think too many tickets have been sold to move this concert to the Olympiahalle now. The promoter will fill up the empty seats with giveaways and competition winners. It'll look fine on the day. This is what I think anyway. With Dusseldorf I am not so sure, could be moved to Westphalenhalle or something.....hopefully sales will improve Remember last year the second Amsterdam show sold badly and they gave away 2 tix for the price of 1 to fill up the venue/. On the night is was full.
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Paul is definitely not the Dagobert Duck of the Music Biz...there are others! However, he has a very expensive show and he pays his crew very well. And he only plays a limited amount of concerts each month. Other artists may do 20 gigs in 1 month. They have to pay every crew member a 1-month-salary for this. Paul only does 5-7 gigs in the same time and still has to pay the 1-month salaries. Of course this contributes to the cost of the shows. He makes money on the tours, but he does them more for fun than anything else. As you all know, he does not NEED the money.
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The venues are waaaaaaaaaaaay too big and the ticket prices waaaaaaaaaaaay too expensive... Bought a ticket for Düsseldorf (~150?) and it's not even a seat in the first block (that would be 233? (!!!) and even those were sold out almost immediately) This is only my second time seeing Paul Live (first one being in Amsterdam 2015 which was way cheaper), but I'm still not very enthusiastic about that concert. Right now I just feel being ripped of for buying overpriced tickets for seats that are god knows how far away from the stage . I mean it's a fricking football stadium.. I know there are cheaper tickets, but they're so far away, they can't be any good
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I think the bad planning, with 3 shows in Germany, has played an important role in poor ticket selling. Ticket prices are not to blame, just compare the price you have to pay to see the Stones or the U2, there's not much difference. Anyway the best seats are all sold out, Paul seems to have a problems with the remote seats...we all want to be as close to him as we can
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steblap:
Ticket prices are not to blame, just compare the price you have to pay to see the Stones or the U2, there's not much difference.
Well, last year I saw U2 twice in Berlin. I pay 70 EUR per ticket and I was 2 meters from the band. I don't think that this is possible with Paul McCartney this year in Europe.
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perymason:
steblap:
Ticket prices are not to blame, just compare the price you have to pay to see the Stones or the U2, there's not much difference.
Well, last year I saw U2 twice in Berlin. I pay 70 EUR per ticket and I was 2 meters from the band. I don't think that this is possible with Paul McCartney this year in Europe.
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It's possible indeed I made it a few times, all you need is a standing ticket, a lot of patience and a coat to sleep rough the night before the show
I did it in Liverpool and Paris and made it in the very first row. ARrived very early in the morning in Arnhem and got the second row. Not bad for 50 ? A friend of mine last year paied 70 ? or so in Marseille and was so close he took wonderfull pictures, you cold see every wrinkle Paul had It all depends on how long you are willing to queue -
steblap:
It's possible indeed I made it a few times, all you need is a standing ticket, a lot of patience and a coat to sleep rough the night before the show
I did it in Liverpool and Paris and made it in the very first row. ARrived very early in the morning in Arnhem and got the second row. Not bad for 50 ? A friend of mine last year paied 70 ? or so in Marseille and was so close he took wonderfull pictures, you cold see every wrinkle Paul had It all depends on how long you are willing to queueNot with all those people buying VIPs with early entry...
