Is it too early to start discussing 2020 plans?
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If Paul plays the USA again without doing UK shows then that shows contempt to the home crowd
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5th-beatle wrote:
thenightfish wrote:
Some of the 2019 US shows (May - July) went on sale in September 2018, and I think the stadiums were on sale by December. That was very early, in my opinion. The summer/fall 2017 shows went on sale during April/May 2017. The 2018 Canadian shows were in September and they went on sale in July. So if he follows the 2017/2018 patterns, we have a few more months to wait for any US announcements!
Thanks for the info. Which cities/regions were skipped in the past couple of years that you think have a chance of getting concerts this year??
Yeah, I'm curious to know as well. NY, probably?
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Does anyone know why Paul is playing Paris again, for instance, but not any more dates in the U.K.?
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ImprinteeRenesmee wrote:
Yeah, I'm curious to know as well. NY, probably?
Possibly, as it's a big market. When was the last time he played there?
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MaccaWyman wrote:
Yes, he only played the U.K. 13 months ago but the USA gets gigs every year! Also, Paul played Paris just 13 months ago and is playing there again.
i really don't understand why he couldn't play other U.K. gigs alongside Glastonbury. Paul hasn't done a wider U.K. tour for some time - he would easily sell out Cardiff for instance.
I doubt Paul would sell out any stadium in the UK at this point - there is a reason why he's been playing the 02 rather than Wembley and Echo (or whatever it's called now) Arena rather than Anfield. When he last played stadiums in the UK in 2010, they weren't sold out. Plenty of empty seats at Hampden Park although he hadn't played in Scotland for twenty years. At Hyde Park, tickets were sold below face value on the day of the concert.
Apparently, the demand in other countries - the US in particular - seems to be higher than in his home country; so that's where he goes.
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Hamish Stuart wrote:
MaccaWyman wrote:
Yes, he only played the U.K. 13 months ago but the USA gets gigs every year! Also, Paul played Paris just 13 months ago and is playing there again.
i really don't understand why he couldn't play other U.K. gigs alongside Glastonbury. Paul hasn't done a wider U.K. tour for some time - he would easily sell out Cardiff for instance.
I doubt Paul would sell out any stadium in the UK at this point - there is a reason why he's been playing the 02 rather than Wembley and Echo (or whatever it's called now) Arena rather than Anfield. When he last played stadiums in the UK in 2010, they weren't sold out. Plenty of empty seats at Hampden Park although he hadn't played in Scotland for twenty years. At Hyde Park, tickets were sold below face value on the day of the concert.
Apparently, the demand in other countries - the US in particular - seems to be higher than in his home country; so that's where he goes.
Oh wow, I didn't know that. Kinda sad. Do you have any idea why the home crowd isn't showing him more love?
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5th-beatle wrote:
ImprinteeRenesmee wrote:
Yeah, I'm curious to know as well. NY, probably?
Possibly, as it's a big market. When was the last time he played there?
He did 8 shows in the area back in 2017 (2 nights each in NYC/Brooklyn/Long Island/NJ). So it will be 3 years. For that large of a market, it's possible that he could come back for a show or two.
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thenightfish wrote:
He did 8 shows in the area back in 2017 (2 nights each in NYC/Brooklyn/Long Island/NJ). So it will be 3 years. For that large of a market, it's possible that he could come back for a show or two.
Sounds about right. Hopefully he will announce a concert somewhere close to you!
Hamish Stuart wrote:
Apparently, the demand in other countries - the US in particular - seems to be higher than in his home country; so that's where he goes.
ImprinteeRenesmee wrote:
Oh wow, I didn't know that. Kinda sad. Do you have any idea why the home crowd isn't showing him more love?
The USA has a larger population than most countries and a higher number of fans who can afford Paul's ticket prices. It's the biggest market in the world, so it's natural for entertainers from all countries to do a lot of concerts there.
What he's doing this year is the same he did in 2004: several European concerts as preparation for a single UK concert at Glastonbury. Perhaps there's a clause in the contract for the festival preventing artists from playing at other UK venues?
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5th-beatle wrote:
thenightfish wrote:
He did 8 shows in the area back in 2017 (2 nights each in NYC/Brooklyn/Long Island/NJ). So it will be 3 years. For that large of a market, it's possible that he could come back for a show or two.
Sounds about right. Hopefully he will announce a concert somewhere close to you!
Hamish Stuart wrote:
Apparently, the demand in other countries - the US in particular - seems to be higher than in his home country; so that's where he goes.
ImprinteeRenesmee wrote:
Oh wow, I didn't know that. Kinda sad. Do you have any idea why the home crowd isn't showing him more love?
The USA has a larger population than most countries and a higher number of fans who can afford Paul's ticket prices. It's the biggest market in the world, so it's natural for entertainers from all countries to do a lot of concerts there.
What he's doing this year is the same he did in 2004: several European concerts as preparation for a single UK concert at Glastonbury. Perhaps there's a clause in the contract for the festival preventing artists from playing at other UK venues?
Yeah, idk. All I can say is I hope he gets around to Utah at least once more. He's getting older and I worry we may not have much time left.
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5th-beatle wrote:
thenightfish wrote:
He did 8 shows in the area back in 2017 (2 nights each in NYC/Brooklyn/Long Island/NJ). So it will be 3 years. For that large of a market, it's possible that he could come back for a show or two.
Sounds about right. Hopefully he will announce a concert somewhere close to you!
Hamish Stuart wrote:
Apparently, the demand in other countries - the US in particular - seems to be higher than in his home country; so that's where he goes.
ImprinteeRenesmee wrote:
Oh wow, I didn't know that. Kinda sad. Do you have any idea why the home crowd isn't showing him more love?
The USA has a larger population than most countries and a higher number of fans who can afford Paul's ticket prices. It's the biggest market in the world, so it's natural for entertainers from all countries to do a lot of concerts there.
What he's doing this year is the same he did in 2004: several European concerts as preparation for a single UK concert at Glastonbury. Perhaps there's a clause in the contract for the festival preventing artists from playing at other UK venues?
No such clause, glasto artists usually play other U.K. venues at the time. It's disappointing - Paris is good enough to play again but not London? By the time he comes back again it'll a few years on which takes its toll these days.
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MaccaWyman wrote:
No such clause, glasto artists usually play other U.K. venues at the time. It's disappointing - Paris is good enough to play again but not London? By the time he comes back again it'll a few years on which takes its toll these days.
ImprinteeRenesmee wrote:
Yeah, idk. All I can say is I hope he gets around to Utah at least once more. He's getting older and I worry we may not have much time left.
I bet he will still be rocking onstage for a few more years and you will both be able to see him again. Fingers crossed!
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5th-beatle wrote:
thenightfish wrote:
He did 8 shows in the area back in 2017 (2 nights each in NYC/Brooklyn/Long Island/NJ). So it will be 3 years. For that large of a market, it's possible that he could come back for a show or two.
Sounds about right. Hopefully he will announce a concert somewhere close to you!
Hamish Stuart wrote:
Apparently, the demand in other countries - the US in particular - seems to be higher than in his home country; so that's where he goes.
ImprinteeRenesmee wrote:
Oh wow, I didn't know that. Kinda sad. Do you have any idea why the home crowd isn't showing him more love?
The USA has a larger population than most countries and a higher number of fans who can afford Paul's ticket prices. [..]
*who can justify spending those prices :P.
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nobodytoldme wrote:
5th-beatle wrote:
thenightfish wrote:
He did 8 shows in the area back in 2017 (2 nights each in NYC/Brooklyn/Long Island/NJ). So it will be 3 years. For that large of a market, it's possible that he could come back for a show or two.
Sounds about right. Hopefully he will announce a concert somewhere close to you!
Hamish Stuart wrote:
Apparently, the demand in other countries - the US in particular - seems to be higher than in his home country; so that's where he goes.
ImprinteeRenesmee wrote:
Oh wow, I didn't know that. Kinda sad. Do you have any idea why the home crowd isn't showing him more love?
The USA has a larger population than most countries and a higher number of fans who can afford Paul's ticket prices. [..]
*who can justify spending those prices :P.
I notice you have seen him about 25 times. Did you always buy the least expensive ticket? I've only seen him 8 times: 3 times did the Hot Sound Sound Package and once Gold VIP. The rest were regular priced tickets. I justify spending the big bucks those times because Paul and The Beatles are my only hobby/vice. Don't smoke, drink or do drugs. I'm not wealthy, but I'm comfortable and can afford it. That being said, I probably won't see him again. Mainly because of the deterioration of his voice and the sameness of his setlist and stage patter/stories.
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Nancy R wrote:
nobodytoldme wrote:
5th-beatle wrote:
thenightfish wrote:
He did 8 shows in the area back in 2017 (2 nights each in NYC/Brooklyn/Long Island/NJ). So it will be 3 years. For that large of a market, it's possible that he could come back for a show or two.
Sounds about right. Hopefully he will announce a concert somewhere close to you!
Hamish Stuart wrote:
Apparently, the demand in other countries - the US in particular - seems to be higher than in his home country; so that's where he goes.
ImprinteeRenesmee wrote:
Oh wow, I didn't know that. Kinda sad. Do you have any idea why the home crowd isn't showing him more love?
The USA has a larger population than most countries and a higher number of fans who can afford Paul's ticket prices. [..]
*who can justify spending those prices :P.
I notice you have seen him about 25 times. Did you always buy the least expensive ticket? I've only seen him 8 times: 3 times did the Hot Sound Sound Package and once Gold VIP. The rest were regular priced tickets. I justify spending the big bucks those times because Paul and The Beatles are my only hobby/vice. Don't smoke, drink or do drugs. I'm not wealthy, but I'm comfortable and can afford it. That being said, I probably won't see him again. Mainly because of the deterioration of his voice and the sameness of his setlist and stage patter/stories.
I totally get what you're saying, but I honestly would pay just to watch him sit on stage and stare at the floor, lol. Just being in a Beatle's presence is overwhelming joy for me.
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Nancy R wrote:
nobodytoldme wrote:
5th-beatle wrote:
thenightfish wrote:
He did 8 shows in the area back in 2017 (2 nights each in NYC/Brooklyn/Long Island/NJ). So it will be 3 years. For that large of a market, it's possible that he could come back for a show or two.
Sounds about right. Hopefully he will announce a concert somewhere close to you!
Hamish Stuart wrote:
Apparently, the demand in other countries - the US in particular - seems to be higher than in his home country; so that's where he goes.
ImprinteeRenesmee wrote:
Oh wow, I didn't know that. Kinda sad. Do you have any idea why the home crowd isn't showing him more love?
The USA has a larger population than most countries and a higher number of fans who can afford Paul's ticket prices. [..]
*who can justify spending those prices :P.
I notice you have seen him about 25 times. Did you always buy the least expensive ticket? [..]
No, not at all but I boycott the gigs with bloated prices, haha. And I try to pick my battles by going for the best view, without paying that. I only want to go for standing, and I want to see him at different places, so you automatically find yourself standing at row 1 to 5 with having just paid 80 to 130 euros. On top of predicting if the demand will be there or not. If so, I only buy if it’s a good price and otherwise I won’t go. If there’s no big demand, I will buy tickets close to the date for a dump price. It’s just a fun game.
You won’t find me buying tickets for upcoming show in Hannover for example, it being in a big football stadium with only seats. And it having the ultimate anti-fan move of all good seats blocked by champagne packages, with even nosebleeds high up at the back going for 170 euros (https://www.eventim.de/event/paul-mccartney-hdi-arena-12504778/).
But I visited Copenhagen and Krakow on the previous tour, both general admission standing for about 100-150 euros. Still expensive (and 5 times more than any other act I see throughout the year), but you’ve got all freedom and will be up close in a fantastic crowd atmosphere. This tour I picked Lille: the only general admission standing show in an arena. And the opening of the tour leg to boot.
Another example, I didn’t even buy tickets for the upcoming local gig over here. I know it won’t sell more than 1/3rd of the tickets available due to the awful open field location (weather, sound, no facilities, bad transportation, target audience not being able to stand crammed at a field for 5 hours), the lasting tarnishing of his reputation over here after Pinkpop 2016 (which I also warned against playing lol, day tickets went for 50% of the face value the weeks before and reviews online were awful), the over-saturation of his sets (all fans know they will get the same songs as last times and many can’t be convinced to go again) on top of the insane prices (2003 60 euros, 2009 75 euros, 2012 90 euro, 2015 110 euro, 2020… 170 euro). So I will buy a ticket on the day itself at the secondary market.
Of course sometimes there are exceptions, for example wanting to see one of the first gigs of the brand new tour and ending up in Vancouver in between shows of The Last Shadow Puppets in California. Only seats. At the O2 Arena in London last year I went to celebrate a birthday of a good friend, picked cheap seats. Antwerp in 2012 no other option than seats, but at a time where you could just pick the best seats for a normal price and nothing was blocked.
The Australian tour was the big exception, having lived there for a while, I was waiting for years for that opportunity and I returned for a long vacation. Those gigs were all seated unfortunately. For Perth (tour opening) I splurged on good tickets, and even that wasn’t enough to get any atmosphere there. For Brisbane I bought cheap tickets and got them to upgrade my tickets for free as a form of a gift after the organisation used a picture shot by me for promotion without asking for permission. (I didn’t mind, it was cool, just wanted to use that opportunity smartly). The other 4 shows that tour I waited until close to show time before the box office and scalpers started to panic and got in for cheap: seats didn’t matter since I saw the whole tour.
So it’s a fun game to have while seeing great live shows. And it’s all spread across many years with many breaks, so enough time for other acts, haha.
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^ You and I are totally opposite on this - I won't see ANY concert unless it is in an air conditioned arena and I have a seat! I'm also someone who plans things way ahead and would never buy a seat on the day of a concert.
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Just remembered there was a rumor of a concert in Tel Aviv, so perhaps he will return to Israel in 2020 or 2021.
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Nancy R wrote:
^ You and I are totally opposite on this - I won't see ANY concert unless it is in an air conditioned arena and I have a seat! I'm also someone who plans things way ahead and would never buy a seat on the day of a concert.
I know, haha, we had this discussion before about seats vs. standing. It's just rock and rolllllll.
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nobodytoldme wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
^ You and I are totally opposite on this - I won't see ANY concert unless it is in an air conditioned arena and I have a seat! I'm also someone who plans things way ahead and would never buy a seat on the day of a concert.
I know, haha, we had this discussion before about seats vs. standing. It's just rock and rolllllll.
I've gotten so many of my best and closest seats either the day before or on the day of... PM 5th row, Eagles 3rd row center in front of Joe Walsh etc.!!! I've even gone to venues with no ticket and got in with a ticket someone sold me right outside, including sweating at outdoor events, or losing your flip flops in a muddy psychedelic Forrest heading to see Paul at the Firefly Festival or standing in the rain under a clear poncho, outside an ancient arena, listening to Paul's warm-up songs in beautiful Verona Italy, standing jammed shoulder to shoulder with new friends jumping up and down and dancing with your new friend Santa Claus at the Austin City limits!! Rock and Rollllll is right... and I like it Wooooohooo
Nancy you are missing out!
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love2travel wrote:
nobodytoldme wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
^ You and I are totally opposite on this - I won't see ANY concert unless it is in an air conditioned arena and I have a seat! I'm also someone who plans things way ahead and would never buy a seat on the day of a concert.
I know, haha, we had this discussion before about seats vs. standing. It's just rock and rolllllll.
I've gotten so many of my best and closest seats either the day before or on the day of... PM 5th row, Eagles 3rd row center in front of Joe Walsh etc.!!! I've even gone to venues with no ticket and got in with a ticket someone sold me right outside, including sweating at outdoor events, or losing your flip flops in a muddy psychedelic Forrest heading to see Paul at the Firefly Festival or standing in the rain under a clear poncho, outside an ancient arena, listening to Paul's warm-up songs in beautiful Verona Italy, standing jammed shoulder to shoulder with new friends jumping up and down and dancing with your new friend Santa Claus at the Austin City limits!! Rock and Rollllll is right... and I like it Wooooohooo
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That's the spirit!
Great description of various experiences, I can only agree with that and confirm I've got similar priceless memories. These days I never buy a ticket for a show any more, unless it's a gig I'm sure I'm attending which is high in demand of course.