Family Of Late-Beatles Engineer Going To Court With Label Over Early Demo
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Family Of Late-Beatles Engineer Going To Court With Label Over Early Demo
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Looks like an open and shut case. EMI relinquished ownership of the tape, and had every reason to believe the tape no longer existed. The only reason Universal want it now is for financial gain. Geoff Emerick presumably left his property to his family in his will - if so, Universal surely cannot go against the terms of that will.
No, I'm not a lawyer - it just seems like common sense.
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dirkmcquickly wrote:
Looks like an open and shut case. EMI relinquished ownership of the tape, and had every reason to believe the tape no longer existed.
I would totally disagree with you. The tape belongs to EMI (Universal). EMI would never have told their employee ( Geoff Emerick) to destroy the tape but instead to erase the tape and re-use it. Instead, Geoff, no doubt realising even back in 1963 that the recording might be of value, took the tape out of the studios,presumably without permission. That's theft. Naturally Universal, the legal owners of the tape and the recordings,now that they are aware that the tape still exists, want it returned. I hope they get it because it will be the only way we'll ever get to hear it.
Incidentally, Geoff was still at school when that session took place,so he certianly didn't engineer it as the article states.
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Kestrel wrote:
dirkmcquickly wrote:
Looks like an open and shut case. EMI relinquished ownership of the tape, and had every reason to believe the tape no longer existed.
I would totally disagree with you. The tape belongs to EMI (Universal). EMI would never have told their employee ( Geoff Emerick) to destroy the tape but instead to erase the tape and re-use it. Instead, Geoff, no doubt realising even back in 1963 that the recording might be of value, took the tape out of the studios,presumably without permission. That's theft. Naturally Universal, the legal owners of the tape and the recordings,now that they are aware that the tape still exists, want it returned. I hope they get it because it will be the only way we'll ever get to hear it.
Incidentally, Geoff was still at school when that session took place,so he certianly didn't engineer it as the article states.
I thought Geoff worked at EMI when he was about 16 though. I agree he did not engineer it though. Geoff was 16 1/2 on June 6, 1962. (born Dec. 5, 1945)
ETA: Just checked Tune In, and only George Martin, Norman Smith and Ken Townsend are mentioned at that recording session.
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Nancy R wrote:
I thought Geoff worked at EMI when he was about 16 though. I agree he did not engineer it though. Geoff was 16 1/2 on June 6, 1962. (born Dec. 5, 1945)
Geoff wouldn't have left school on his 16th birthday but would have left at the end of the school year during which he turned 16 (ie September 1961 to July 1962). I'll need to re-check his autobiography but from what I remember he left school and within a fairly short time, he found a job at EMI. He started work at Abbey Road Stuidos in September 1962.
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Kestrel wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
I thought Geoff worked at EMI when he was about 16 though. I agree he did not engineer it though. Geoff was 16 1/2 on June 6, 1962. (born Dec. 5, 1945)
Geoff wouldn't have left school on his 16th birthday but would have left at the end of the school year during which he turned 16 (ie September 1961 to July 1962). I'll need to re-check his autobiography but from what I remember he left school and within a fairly short time, he found a job at EMI. He started work at Abbey Road Stuidos in September 1962.
Go back and read what I added to my post.
I didn't mean to suggest he left school on his 16th birthday which was Dec. 5, 1961! Do your school years go to July? Ours used to end at the beginning of June. If he started in Sept. 1962, he would have still been 16 then. He turned 17 in Dec. 1962.
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P.S. Geoff Emerick is not even listed in the index to either version of Tune In! That seems odd if he started at EMI in Sept. 1962 since the book ends Dec. 31, 1962.
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Nancy R wrote: Do your school years go to July? Ours used to end at the beginning of June. If he started in Sept. 1962, he would have still been 16 then. He turned 17 in Dec. 1962.
It might vary slightly but the school year for most state schools is from the second week of September to the third week of July...approximately. That's how I remember it being in the 1960's as we always had six weeks summer holidays between school years. I think its pretty much the same now.
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Nancy R wrote:
P.S. Geoff Emerick is not even listed in the index to either version of Tune In! That seems odd if he started at EMI in Sept. 1962 since the book ends Dec. 31, 1962.
It does seem a bit strange but I guess it will be the next volume ( now due AFTER 2023 incidentally) that any contributions Geoff made will be used..
Geoff started off basically as the 'tea boy' and although he sat in and watched sessions (ie for Love Me Do) taking place, he didn't participate in them. His first related Beatles session was on 20th February 1963 when he was the second engineer for George Martin's overdubs onto the track, Misery. The Beatles weren't present that day. It was an overdub session for Thank You Girl on 13th March 1963 that Geoff first started working with the Beatles.
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Kestrel wrote:
Nancy R wrote: Do your school years go to July? Ours used to end at the beginning of June. If he started in Sept. 1962, he would have still been 16 then. He turned 17 in Dec. 1962.
It might vary slightly but the school year for most state schools is from the second week of September to the third week of July...approximately. That's how I remember it being in the 1960's as we always had six weeks summer holidays between school years. I think its pretty much the same now.
Wow! When I was a kid in the '60s/early '70s, school started after Labor Day in early Sept. and ended after the first week of June. We had 3 months off for summer! Nowadays, it starts around mid-Aug. and ends before Memorial Day in late May.
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Nancy R wrote:
Kestrel wrote:
dirkmcquickly wrote:
Looks like an open and shut case. EMI relinquished ownership of the tape, and had every reason to believe the tape no longer existed.
I would totally disagree with you. The tape belongs to EMI (Universal). EMI would never have told their employee ( Geoff Emerick) to destroy the tape but instead to erase the tape and re-use it. Instead, Geoff, no doubt realising even back in 1963 that the recording might be of value, took the tape out of the studios,presumably without permission. That's theft. Naturally Universal, the legal owners of the tape and the recordings,now that they are aware that the tape still exists, want it returned. I hope they get it because it will be the only way we'll ever get to hear it.
Incidentally, Geoff was still at school when that session took place,so he certianly didn't engineer it as the article states.
I thought Geoff worked at EMI when he was about 16 though. I agree he did not engineer it though. Geoff was 16 1/2 on June 6, 1962. (born Dec. 5, 1945)
ETA: Just checked Tune In, and only George Martin, Norman Smith and Ken Townsend are mentioned at that recording session.
ETA: Just checked Tune In, and only George Martin, Norman Smith and Ken Townsend are mentioned at that recording session.
That's NORMAL. NORMAL SMITH. JOHN LENNON CALLED HIM NORMAL. Later,
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jimmix wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
Kestrel wrote:
dirkmcquickly wrote:
Looks like an open and shut case. EMI relinquished ownership of the tape, and had every reason to believe the tape no longer existed.
I would totally disagree with you. The tape belongs to EMI (Universal). EMI would never have told their employee ( Geoff Emerick) to destroy the tape but instead to erase the tape and re-use it. Instead, Geoff, no doubt realising even back in 1963 that the recording might be of value, took the tape out of the studios,presumably without permission. That's theft. Naturally Universal, the legal owners of the tape and the recordings,now that they are aware that the tape still exists, want it returned. I hope they get it because it will be the only way we'll ever get to hear it.
Incidentally, Geoff was still at school when that session took place,so he certianly didn't engineer it as the article states.
I thought Geoff worked at EMI when he was about 16 though. I agree he did not engineer it though. Geoff was 16 1/2 on June 6, 1962. (born Dec. 5, 1945)
ETA: Just checked Tune In, and only George Martin, Norman Smith and Ken Townsend are mentioned at that recording session.
ETA: Just checked Tune In, and only George Martin, Norman Smith and Ken Townsend are mentioned at that recording session.
That's NORMAL. NORMAL SMITH. JOHN LENNON CALLED HIM NORMAL. Later,
and .Yes, I was aware of that.
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