Im The Man With No Flaming Pie
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This is getting to me. Paul of course has to cater to the people who only know his Beatles tracks and his greatest hits, I dont like that, but I understand it. But that doesnt mean his entire setlist cant include a few more Flaming Pie tracks. If you look a it in terms of sales, Young Boy WAS a hit. Every track from the album realeased as a single was a massive success. The fact that these amazing tracks arent in his playlist is astonishing. But the rest of the tracks hold just as well. ALthough I love most of McCartneys ballads, none of them can beat Yesterday in my hind. Only one can hold a candle. Somedays is just such a beautful track I can't even put it in words. But is it in his setlist? Nope. Great rockers like the first two tracks aren't on the setlist even though in my mind they are even better then the title track. Paul need to incorporate more Flaming Pie, or at least put some of them in a rotation. Edit: Please disregard the point I tried to make about them begin hits. I made a mistake. However the album did chart high. So have all of his albums subsequently. New made it to #3. Pretty impressive, and yet those albums are so underrepresented.
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jgm0228:
This is getting to me. Paul of course has to cater to the people who only know his Beatles tracks and his greatest hits, I dont like that, but I understand it. But that doesnt mean his entire setlist cant include a few more Flaming Pie tracks. If you look a it in terms of sales, Young Boy WAS a hit. Every track from the album realeased as a single was a massive success. The fact that these amazing tracks arent in his playlist is astonishing. But the rest of the tracks hold just as well. ALthough I love most of McCartneys ballads, none of them can beat Yesterday in my hind. Only one can hold a candle. Somedays is just such a beautful track I can't even put it in words. But is it in his setlist? Nope. Great rockers like the first two tracks aren't on the setlist even though in my mind they are even better then the title track. Paul need to incorporate more Flaming Pie, or at least put some of them in a rotation.
I'm as much of a fan of Flaming Pie as anyone here, but the notion that "every track from the album released as a single was a massive success" is just utterly wrong. The best chart position any single from the album reached was The World Tonight, which hit #14 in Canada. In the U.S. it hit #64 and was the only FP single to chart here. In the UK, both Young Boy and The World Tonight were modest successes, reaching #19 and #23, respectively. "Beautiful Night" did not crack the top 20 anywhere. I love all these songs, but the singles were not massive successes by any stretch of the imagination.
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Bruce is right. In the music industry, chart success is strictly a young person's game. By the time Paul came out with Flaming Pie, Paul was already considered "over the hill". Certainly not right, but true. But I am equally frustrated that Paul doesn't play any Flaming Pie songs. Many of the songs on Pie are grossly underrated and unknown. The only one that could possibly change this is Paul himself. Yes, he has to play a majority of Beatle songs in his concert but to have never played Somedays, Little Willow, Beautiful Night, Souvenir, World Tonight, and Young Boy in my opinion is crazy from Paul's point of view. He shouldn't worry if he plays a couple of these songs that the immediate crowd reaction is more quiet than his Beatle songs. There is nothing wrong with that. If he played a few of these for a whole tour there would be much publicity about the songs. With U-tube and other avenues, many people who are not die-hard fans but love music in general would see them and find new Macca songs that they might love and never knew. This aspect of Paul of just adhering so much to Beatle, Band on the Run and a few hit singles I will never get. If I had his talent, I would reserve 6 songs on each tour to his career after Tug of War. He certainly has the material but for some reason, he seems to lack confidence in his own songwriting. As many as 6 or 7 songs from Flaming Pie alone are crying to be played.
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i would love to hear "young boy" live! Such a great song, great guitar parts in the middle, I love it. Agree!
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B J Conlee:
Bruce is right. In the music industry, chart success is strictly a young person's game. By the time Paul came out with Flaming Pie, Paul was already considered "over the hill". Certainly not right, but true. But I am equally frustrated that Paul doesn't play any Flaming Pie songs. Many of the songs on Pie are grossly underrated and unknown. The only one that could possibly change this is Paul himself. Yes, he has to play a majority of Beatle songs in his concert but to have never played Somedays, Little Willow, Beautiful Night, Souvenir, World Tonight, and Young Boy in my opinion is crazy from Paul's point of view. He shouldn't worry if he plays a couple of these songs that the immediate crowd reaction is more quiet than his Beatle songs. There is nothing wrong with that. If he played a few of these for a whole tour there would be much publicity about the songs. With U-tube and other avenues, many people who are not die-hard fans but love music in general would see them and find new Macca songs that they might love and never knew. This aspect of Paul of just adhering so much to Beatle, Band on the Run and a few hit singles I will never get. If I had his talent, I would reserve 6 songs on each tour to his career after Tug of War. He certainly has the material but for some reason, he seems to lack confidence in his own songwriting. As many as 6 or 7 songs from Flaming Pie alone are crying to be played.
I know I would be so entirely different than Mr. McCartney if I was in his shoes. I would tour like he does because I would enjoy playing music to an audience. The big difference is I would not care as much about the set list being dominated by Beatle songs. Maybe I would have to lower ticket prices or play a smaller venue due to playing less hits but I am almost a billionaire so would this really mean that much to me, the answer is no. I would enjoy playing different music from my entire career just to keep things interesting and bet my band would enjoy doing different songs also. Finally, I agree with the comments about "Flaming Pie" but you could same the same thing about every solo record he has made.
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I don't think it's a lack of confidence in his material. I think it's simply that not enough people know those songs in Paul's mind.
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I didn't care for "Too Many People" until Paul McCartney did it in concert. I didn't care for "Nineteen Hundred & Eighty-Five" until Paul McCartney did it in concert. I didn't care for "Mrs. Vandebilt" until Paul McCartney did it in concert. Now, I love all three of them.
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yankeefan7, Paul is a billionaire in dollars. (in GBP, he has about 800,000,000!)
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Interestingly, it's not just Sir Paul himself who totally ignores his more recent output, but on the "Art of McCartney" tribute album, no single song written after 1984 is represented (or one, if you include "Put it there" from the amazon-only edition). It's a shame, as I think "Flaming pie" in particular, but also "Chaos & creation" and "Flowers in the dirt" have some great songs on them.
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Hamish Stuart:
Interestingly, it's not just Sir Paul himself who totally ignores his more recent output, but on the "Art of McCartney" tribute album, no single song written after 1984 is represented (or one, if you include "Put it there" from the amazon-only edition). It's a shame, as I think "Flaming pie" in particular, but also "Chaos & creation" and "Flowers in the dirt" have some great songs on them.
You're right - the other tribute project (Listen to What the Man Said and Coming Up) did a better job of showcasing some later pieces of work..and to be honest, I kind of like those two 'sister' albums better than this latest release...although like many others, find that set's version of No More Lonely Nights to be the redeeming song...regarding the rest of the songs, there aren't any performances I'd call 'bad'...but they're just kind of copy cats that leaves me wondering 'why don't I just listen to Paul's version?'
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Wix told me a few days ago that no songs from Flaming Pie have been rehearsed. And yes, I realize the title track of that album has been performed many times in concert. In fact, every now and then it still gets played at soundchecks.
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5th-beatle:
Wix told me a few days ago that no songs from Flaming Pie have been rehearsed. And yes, I realize the title track of that album has been performed many times in concert. In fact, every now and then it still gets played at soundchecks.
Calico Sky was also performed quite a bit until recently. It's funny that almost 17 years after it's release, two album cuts were being performed live by Paul, but the three singles from that album were never given the light of day (on stage)
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Don't forget "Young Boy" which was performed on Paul's (very) brief Flaming Pie promotional tour.
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rich n:
Hamish Stuart:
Interestingly, it's not just Sir Paul himself who totally ignores his more recent output, but on the "Art of McCartney" tribute album, no single song written after 1984 is represented (or one, if you include "Put it there" from the amazon-only edition). It's a shame, as I think "Flaming pie" in particular, but also "Chaos & creation" and "Flowers in the dirt" have some great songs on them.
You're right - the other tribute project (Listen to What the Man Said and Coming Up) did a better job of showcasing some later pieces of work..and to be honest, I kind of like those two 'sister' albums better than this latest release...although like many others, find that set's version of No More Lonely Nights to be the redeeming song...regarding the rest of the songs, there aren't any performances I'd call 'bad'...but they're just kind of copy cats that leaves me wondering 'why don't I just listen to Paul's version?'
It's borderline karaoke.
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audi:
rich n:
Hamish Stuart:
Interestingly, it's not just Sir Paul himself who totally ignores his more recent output, but on the "Art of McCartney" tribute album, no single song written after 1984 is represented (or one, if you include "Put it there" from the amazon-only edition). It's a shame, as I think "Flaming pie" in particular, but also "Chaos & creation" and "Flowers in the dirt" have some great songs on them.
You're right - the other tribute project (Listen to What the Man Said and Coming Up) did a better job of showcasing some later pieces of work..and to be honest, I kind of like those two 'sister' albums better than this latest release...although like many others, find that set's version of No More Lonely Nights to be the redeeming song...regarding the rest of the songs, there aren't any performances I'd call 'bad'...but they're just kind of copy cats that leaves me wondering 'why don't I just listen to Paul's version?'
It's borderline karaoke.
That's a good way to put it (I can almost hear Simon C's voice before he left AI....LOL)
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Well, I disagree. I don't care to hear punk, reggae, or hip hop versions of Paul's songs. I think they are done in the spirit of Paul's but in the voices of the artists paying tribute to Paul. You REALLY want a tribute cover of Jenny Wren??? No thanks. I'll pass.
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I want to hear the artists' full interpretation of McCartney's music -- not a bunch of covers with the music provided by a human karaoke-machine comprised by a band on the subject's payroll.
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If this were a live concert situation, my view would be totally different. But when you step into a studio, you're supposed to create -- not generate.
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audi:
I want to hear the artists' full interpretation of McCartney's music -- not a bunch of covers with the music provided by a human karaoke-machine comprised by a band on the subject's payroll.
Exactly. Make it your own or don't bother. If I want to hear Paul's versions of these songs, I have all those record.
