The ..2012.... Political thread
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How poor or how rich economically should anyone be allowed to be?
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[quote="SurSteven"]How poor or how rich economically should anyone be allowed to be?[/quote As long as it's done honestly, anyone should be allowed to become as wealthy as they want to be, with no limit. Wealth is a result of doing things that other people value, so anyone should be allowed to do as much as they want of things that other people value. As far as how poor a person should be allowed to be, everyone should have the right to chose to be as poor as they would like, too. But i think as a society we have the obligation to protect and care for those who can't take care of themselves. Exactly what institutions should provide that care and at what level that should be set seems to be the greatest point of debate, although i guess some people think there should be no support at all.
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jaipur:
peacetrain:
jaipur:
There.. will always be poor among us...there will always be wealthy among us...and there will always be those in the middle... that is how the universe is balanced.
You are talking utter fiction. Wealth and poverty have been increasing and decreasing constantly throughout time, including today. The concentration of wealth today in the US is not the same as it's been at some mythical balance. Wealth is today at it's most contcentrated at the top in many many decades. The measure of inequality used in practically all academic studies, the gini index, constantly goes up and down over time for countries. And what changes them are tangible, social factors, such as the type of government, tax structure, healthcare system, regulation of industry, etc. There is no mythical balancing force, only social forces that can be tied directly to people's fates. What you say is the biggest con of those more wealthy to justify their position, just like LCH's post above. Look at any of the academic studies on inequality on Google Scholar for proof you could not be more wrong.
So glad to see that misinterpretation is alive and well here......
Please explain.
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Obama YOUR FIRED... Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Your a sorry excuse for a leader. fuck fuck fuck fuck Hire a leader to help you.
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So right you are Obama should be fired. I have my opinions regarding this president......but for Now this incompetent man should have NEVER been elected to run the USA. Hiring a leader to help him.....HA: he has botox pelosi and horrible harry. Obama would not let anyone help him ...he is a narcissist ! A Leader.....NO Experience...NO and the list goes on and on He will be voted out in 2010! We Texans want a real conservative leader!
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I'm not happy about this either, but what should he have done, fight and middle class paychecks will go down the first week of January. He received no help from democrats, his own party didn't support the middle class tax cuts at least 5 Senators voted against it. and they were needed. The Republicans blocked everything. meanwhile, a whole lot of americans will keep their unemployment insurance for another 13 months. Is fighting always the best thing when time is running out? All I know, I couldn't afford to have less money in my paycheck come Jan 1. Stay tuned.
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DennyC:
I'm not happy about this either, but what should he have done, fight and middle class paychecks will go down the first week of January. He received no help from democrats, his own party didn't support the middle class tax cuts at least 5 Senators voted against it. and they were needed. The Republicans blocked everything. meanwhile, a whole lot of americans will keep their unemployment insurance for another 13 months. Is fighting always the best thing when time is running out? All I know, I couldn't afford to have less money in my paycheck come Jan 1. Stay tuned.
All he had to do was LET THEM EXPIRE and that would of anger the middle class and the Rep would of paid. Here is what he did. He got a few add months for unemployed benifits.. mind you these guys have had three or four extention so not really expected to get anymore. but 760 billion needed taxes went back to the upper 2% Note it not even 5% anymore. And we will borrow that from china and owe that much more and pay interest on it.. Obama just finished himself off. He going to go out as a waste of time. both parties are corrupt. We have to change the system. It just not working. We need a three party system, term limits and when they vote on these senate seats, it all at once and out with the old in with the new. So no more good old boy power struggle. Obama as a man is a good guy. He owed us the truth. Everything he taking credit for as for the people have been the opposite. Health care forced us to join a broken system and bank reform game money to a broken system so they can continue to screw people and now this..he needs to not run again. He will do in any hope of getting a intelligent person with ability elected. On a sadder note. Elizabeth Edwards passed away. How sad is that.
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I'm sorry about Elizabeth too, RIP. like I said I don't like it, but I also wouldn't like higher taxes in my first pay check in January. Let them run out in theory is a great idea, but it screws with the middle class, the people hurting the most. I'm disappointed in Pres. Obama too but he's dealing with people who only want him to fail. In other words they want the country to fail. How do you fight that?
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America is no longer a democracy we are now 50% Corporatocracy 50% Oligarchy and nothing more. If thats the correct way to express it.
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Donna:
So right you are Obama should be fired. I have my opinions regarding this president......but for Now this incompetent man should have NEVER been elected to run the USA. Hiring a leader to help him.....HA: he has botox pelosi and horrible harry. Obama would not let anyone help him ...he is a narcissist ! A Leader.....NO Experience...NO and the list goes on and on He will be voted out in 2010! We Texans want a real conservative leader!
A conservative Texan leader shock: I wasn't wishing the world to end just a little upset with Obama that all....he workable really. your either trying to jolt me back to rational thinking or I moving to France before the word gets out..they'll be a stampede. :
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we were all in trouble when a party wins with their platform is to defeat the president (in other words hurt the country) This is not productive , this is not positive. It is hugely unamerican. So if the remaining democrats defeat this plan. Expect to pay more in your paycheck come Janury. They are not going to fix this, they will just continue fighting and nothing will get down. Progressives say some fights need to be lost. Yes but at the cost of the middleclass. Not so sure this is a fight I want or can afford to lose. the options are all lousy.
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appletart2:
America is no longer a democracy we are now 50% Corporatocracy 50% Oligarchy and nothing more. If thats the correct way to express it.
I call it a Secret Oligarchical Kleptocracy.
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I think some of the comments about President Obama are unduly harsh. He's our President and we should support him even if don't agree with what he's doing. He is exactly what he always apperared to be -- an inexperienced, aloof narcissist -- so why are people upset now? At least those two gigentic blowhard thugs who he brought with him to the white house have resigned. i'm acutally somewhat optimistic about his next two years.
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appletart2:
All he had to do was LET THEM EXPIRE and that would of anger the middle class and the Rep would of paid. Here is what he did. He got a few add months for unemployed benifits.. mind you these guys have had three or four extention so not really expected to get anymore. but 760 billion needed taxes went back to the upper 2% Note it not even 5% anymore. And we will borrow that from china and owe that much more and pay interest on it.. Obama just finished himself off. He going to go out as a waste of time. both parties are corrupt. We have to change the system. It just not working. We need a three party system, term limits and when they vote on these senate seats, it all at once and out with the old in with the new. So no more good old boy power struggle. Obama as a man is a good guy. He owed us the truth. Everything he taking credit for as for the people have been the opposite. Health care forced us to join a broken system and bank reform game money to a broken system so they can continue to screw people and now this..he needs to not run again. He will do in any hope of getting a intelligent person with ability elected. On a sadder note. Elizabeth Edwards passed away. How sad is that.
RIP Mrs. Edwards I was a strong Obama supporter, but no more. This was just wrong. He caved on the public option and now he's caved on this. Things would have been passed in January and all retroactive to January 1. He could have made the Republicans look like fools, not himself. I hope the Dems in congress can stop this bill. As for the conservative Texan, we already did that and it was a massive failure.
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as the rich get richer ...and the poor have babies ...the working ones pay ...for the things they have daily
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at this point American Tax payers are the worker Bees of the world. For every dollar needed to take care of Americans 99 are collected in taxes and the money goes off shore. We feed the poor everywhere.. They take siestas while we farm our kids to day care and work 80 hours a week
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To my Tea Party bretheren and... ...sisteren? Whatever. I have a question: On my drive in to the office today, I saw a bumper sticker that read: "Change It Back!" I interpret this as a rejection of the current administration. My question is this: Change "it" back to what?
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Sarah Palin shot and killed a caribou on her Alaska t.v. show, she's pictured smiling with the dead animal's head in her lap as she holds a rifle...sickening...gloating over her big kill Course I saw sweet Kate Middleton hauling around a rifle too in one of her pix, maybe she was at a shooting range(?)...maybe she goes out hunting with the Royals (?).
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I can't believe The Tea Party allowed Sarah Palin to strategize herself right into their movement. One would think that her support for Bush's multi-billion stimulus package in 2008 would disqualify her. Oh, yeah -- I forgot: Conservatives don't actually think -- and conservative politicians are keenly aware of that.